Topic: Saudi Arabia refuses observing minute of silence for London victims

[RJ320]

Fuck Saudi Arabia. As a Muslim, it pisses me off so much that our holiest city has to be based there. Probably the most corrupt country in the world.

[Garrus]

Shameful.

Not sure if I'd blame the players though. It's not like they can just ignore the bosses without serious consequences in that country.

[ABZ Rover]

Shower of twats on the bench even refused to stand.

[RedSince86]

Hope they live long enough to see the oil run out, any Western support for their prick of a king will vanish and vanish quickly.

What would be great is to see the west not reliant on the petrol run engines in cars.

Makes you wonder why the oil rich despotic arab regimes are buying huge investment in car companies.

Bahrain Qatar and Kuwait have huge money invested in Mclaren Porsche and Aston martin.

[So… Howard Philips]

Despicable post

Out of curiosity, why is it despicable?

[zabadoh]

despicable behaviour.....kunts to a man

One guy their #7 stood.

[Alf]

Wankers.

[Steady Eddie]

What would be great is to see the west not reliant on the petrol run engines in cars.

Makes you wonder why the oil rich despotic arab regimes are buying huge investment in car companies.

Bahrain Qatar and Kuwait have huge money invested in Mclaren Porsche and Aston martin.

The problem is oil is used extensive with vehicles being the main consumer, but less we forget there is an awful lot of plastic used too.

[vagabond]

Just inexcusable really.

[reddebs]

Inhumane bastards!!

[Rush 82]

I wish we could observe a minutes silence everytime an innocent Arab family get slaughtered as well.


[You may have an iPhone but you are still using the free version of Tapatalk and spamming us with that knowledge] Pro

Nope, nope, nope

You don't get to do that - that straw man needs to retreat with all haste

[zero zero]

Out of curiosity, why is it despicable?

It's not a footy thread, is the short answer.

Read his posts around why there was a need for a minutes silence for the rest.

[Alonso_The_Assassin]

What do you expect? Cue the ABC or some other polemic/apologist media outlet to leap to their defense.

Bunch of c*nts. I'm so glad we beat these.

[B0151?]

The idea that respecting a moment's pause for innocent victims isn't part of your culture is a pathetic excuse, and it's an insult given there were Australian victims. Truly baffling. Fair play to that one lad.

[McSquared]

The sooner the oil runs out the better. Fuck these

[GBF]

its fake news....as would any weapon selling government would say

[elsewhere]

Fucking animals, why would a team disrespect like that? What's next? Jerseys with ISIS terrorists named on it?
Hope they get penalized big time maybe even banned from competition but knowing the corrupt FIFA, they will probably get a few million bucks to their pockets and ignore what happened today.

[Giono]

Why? What was the reason to be deliberately insensitive? Who does this make happy?


We need to get off oil and starve some of the worst regimes on earth...

[Scaryscouse]

It's only shame the aussies played the match and didn't just kick that bunch of shit heads off the park instead. There are certain times where you might abstain or protest in someway to events that I could understand, this wasn't one of them. Don't take to the pitch if you must but that was just so disrespectful and antagonistic its made my piss boil.

[slotmachine]

saudi's have no respect for a human life. look at their human rights record. gang of fuckin mentalists. we wonder why the middle east is fucked? scum

[rawcusk8]

Despicable behaviour given that 2 Aussies died in the attacks and the Aussie request for a minute silent was refused.

I'm reserving judgment on the Saudi players though until I know the full story. It seems to me that this was a call by the Saudi officials, not the players. And given what I know about how some football associations in that part of the world treat their players (e.g. Uday Hussein torturing players when he was head of the Iraqi FA) I'm not going to be so quick to lay into a Saudi player who's probably worried that him/his family might be on the receiving end of some dickhead Saudi Prince's temper if he disobeys him.

Good post mate.

One thing for sure is that whoever came up with that idea is a horrible horrible person with no feeling for humanity.

[surfer. Fuck you generator.]

Legitimate reasons for grievances against the Saudis but this one....the impression I got of the process was that it wasn't seen as a big deal, rather than any malice / statement intended. I remember checking the online sites of the papers (al riyadh, al jazirah etc, not to be confused with al Jazeera in Qatar, the wider audience al hayat, the official Saudi national team twitter)....there was nothing, not even the awareness that this caused an issue. Just the match report, and information on the next game.

It's only within the recent few hours that the Saudi team have released a statement apologising, stating no disrespect intended after seemingly processing the fallout.

http://thesaff.com.sa/NewsDetails.aspx?NewsID=15998

[Brian Blessed]

...so the entire team and staff were unfamiliar with the concept of a minutes silence, and didn't wonder what the other team and all the fans were doing?

[surfer. Fuck you generator.]

I think they are all familiar enough with it.

If it's some supposed statement, issuing a grovelling, complete apology later doesn't tally.

[Flinstone]

When we start observing minutes of silence for the Syrians, Yemenis, Somalians etc then we can talk. Till then the hypocrisy is astonishing

[Rush 82]

When we start observing minutes of silence for the Syrians, Yemenis, Somalians etc then we can talk. Till then the hypocrisy is astonishing

Another strawman makes its appearance.

[GreatEx]

Bollocks do the Saudis not know or understand what a minute's silence is all about. Their first excuse was that a minute's silence is not part of their culture - well guess what, when Australia played in Riyadh, women weren't allowed into the stadium unless accompanied by a male relative. If I were an Aussie woman, though, I'm sure they would have just waved me straight through, tolerant country that it is.

Agreed that the players should not be the target of our wrath, they don't have the freedom of expression that decent countries have. I pity the 99.999% of Saudis who have zero rights and zero liberty.

[Pistolero]

When we start observing minutes of silence for the Syrians, Yemenis, Somalians etc then we can talk. Till then the hypocrisy is astonishing

not as astonishing as the stench of shit coming off your post....

[Clayton Bigsby]

Another strawman makes its appearance.

Why is it a strawman arguement?

[Doc Red]

When we start observing minutes of silence for the Syrians, Yemenis, Somalians etc then we can talk. Till then the hypocrisy is astonishing

You're a guest in a country that is mourning one of their own that was killed in a terrorist act, allegedly by an assailant that claims to be a Muslim. Additionally, you happen to be a Muslim country that also hosts the two holiest sites in Islam. Do you show respect, and also solidarity against the loss of innocent lives via terrosist acts, or act like absolute insensitive buffoons and proceed to confirm to all how backward you really are, and since more than any other nation you carry the image of Islam (unfortunately for all Muslims) you also taint Muslims in the eyes of many.

There are Muslims dying in conflicts and as a result of terrorist acts, how that has any connection with not respecting another country's homage to their own is a mystery. If it was so important for the Saudis,  by all means do a similar homage when hosting a match in Saudi. I guarantee that regardless of their personal opinions of the Saudi regime, Islam as a whole, or the Middle East, the Australian FA would have made damn sure that they all showed the appropriate level of respect, especially as they would be representing their whole nation and not just 20 or so individuals.

There is no defense for the Saudi authorities that chose to make that stance. Obviously,  the players had no say in this, so maybe we should lay off lambasting them. They had as much say as anyone of us in that matter.

[Darren G]

I think they are all familiar enough with it.

If it's some supposed statement, issuing a grovelling, complete apology later doesn't tally.

 They were briefed on it before the game, so they knew perfectly well what the connotations were:

 A spokesman for the FFA said they were told before the game that the Saudi team would not be taking part in the tribute.

The spokesman said: “The FFA sought agreement from the Asian Football Confederation and the Saudi national team to hold a minute’s silence in memory of those lost in Saturday night’s terror bombings in London and in particular the two Australian women.

“Both the AFC and the Saudi team agreed that the minute of silence could be held.

“The FFA was further advised by Saudi team officials that this tradition was not in keeping with Saudi culture and they would move to their side of the field and respect our custom whilst taking their own positions on the field.”

[Petadroli]

When we start observing minutes of silence for the Syrians, Yemenis, Somalians etc then we can talk. Till then the hypocrisy is astonishing

How many refugees has Saudi Arabia taken in from these countries? Europe doesn't just hold a minute's silence, it helps where it can and takes refugees in and tries to solve all those crisises with diplomatic talks. While Saudi Arabia wages war in Jemen, has a deputy war against Iran going on in Syria and doesn't do anything to help any of those people. Do you actually believe your own agenda?

[Rush 82]

Why is it a strawman arguement?

If Australia was in Saudi and the Saudis called for a minutes silence for the victims of attacks on Syrians, Saudis, and Yemenis, you can be damn sure that it would have been observed respectfully.

The Australians called for a minutes silence to remember their (and their friends) people who died due to an act of terror.

Saying that you won't even talk about this until you see the same being done for victims of Middle East violence is disingenuous at best when you examine the context within which it took place.

[Rush 82]

You're a guest in a country that is mourning one of their own that was killed in a terrorist act, allegedly by an assailant that claims to be a Muslim. Additionally, you happen to be a Muslim country that also hosts the two holiest sites in Islam. Do you show respect, and also solidarity against the loss of innocent lives via terrosist acts, or act like absolute insensitive buffoons and proceed to confirm to all how backward you really are, and since more than any other nation you carry the image of Islam (unfortunately for all Muslims) you also taint Muslims in the eyes of many.

There are Muslims dying in conflicts and as a result of terrorist acts, how that has any connection with not respecting another country's homage to their own is a mystery. If it was so important for the Saudis,  by all means do a similar homage when hosting a match in Saudi. I guarantee that regardless of their personal opinions of the Saudi regime, Islam as a whole, or the Middle East, the Australian FA would have made damn sure that they all showed the appropriate level of respect, especially as they would be representing their whole nation and not just 20 or so individuals.

There is no defense for the Saudi authorities that chose to make that stance. Obviously,  the players had no say in this, so maybe we should lay off lambasting them. They had as much say as anyone of us in that matter.

Well said.

I think you're correct with respect to laying off lambasting the players.

My personal history colours my reaction in that respect, but I'm willing to acknowledge that every individuals life circumstances are unique and that some are not as brave as others.

[Rush 82]

Wrong is wrong - the Muslims of Britain are willing to stand up in public to say so  - why do the Muslim countries such as Saud get a  free pass?

Fuck that

[Clayton Bigsby]

If Australia was in Saudi and the Saudis called for a minutes silence for the victims of attacks on Syrians, Saudis, and Yemenis, you can be damn sure that it would have been observed respectfully.

The Australians called for a minutes silence to remember their (and their friends) people who died due to an act of terror.

Saying that you won't even talk about this until you see the same being done for victims of Middle East violence is disingenuous at best when you examine the context within which it took place.

Thank you. Makes alot of sense

[kingz]

“The FFA was further advised by Saudi team officials that this tradition was not in keeping with Saudi culture and they would move to their side of the field and respect our custom whilst taking their own positions on the field.”[/i]

I am half Saudi and I find it embarrassing no excuse really the officials were wrong but its not meant as a lack of respect or something because even after tragic events inside Saudi itself or most of Muslim countries football teams don't do a moment of silence..

[Rush 82]

I am half Saudi and I find it embarrassing no excuse really the officials were wrong but its not meant as a lack of respect or something because even after tragic events inside Saudi itself or most of Muslim countries football teams don't do a moment of silence..

The point is that irrespective of what you do in your own country, most cultures respect other people's cultures especially if you're in their country.

[SP]

I am half Saudi and I find it embarrassing no excuse really the officials were wrong but its not meant as a lack of respect or something because even after tragic events inside Saudi itself or most of Muslim countries football teams don't do a moment of silence..

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/jun/08/saudi-arabia-footballers-ignore-minutes-silence-for-london-attack-victims

Awkward.

[Petadroli]

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/jun/08/saudi-arabia-footballers-ignore-minutes-silence-for-london-attack-victims

Awkward.

Thought the same when I read that article yesterday evening.