Topic: Swansea 3 vs. 1 Liverpool. 01/05/16 (Ayew, Cork, Benteke, Ayew)

[El Lobo]

I'm a Klopp lover and proud.

We all are

[Mutton Geoff]

1 Nobody likes losing it is not the sole right of the negative people in here.
2 We played with a very Young and inexperienced midfield
3 Swansea played well
4 It seems that Skrtel and Lovren do not gel as a partnership
5 this game wasn't a major priority this week
6 Klopp knows better than anyone what he is doing
7 Klopp has a free pass he has improved this squad even without buying and selecting anyone yet
8 The kids even the ones that struggled will have gained from this experience
9 Ojo looked quite good in patches of the game.

and in the end the Hillsborough tribute today and the outcome this week was worth more than this game, this season or even this decade.

So we lost big deal move on to Thursday and get behind this manager he is only warming up for us.

Right that said i am out of here!

[Sarge]

I love you all, well nearly you all. But not you, thats right you.

[Rojo O Muerto]

Have a look at that and yet people still have the fucking cheek to say Brendan never won a cup here.

[lgvkarlos]

Clyne, Lovren, Lucas and Coutinho had to come from that pitch without injury today,  they were never going to be at full tilt.  Our attention is on  the europa now,   all today has  done is play a few players out of contention for Thursday.

[rocco]

No worries long term Klopp will sort it

[Solomon Grundy]

1 Nobody likes losing it is not the sole right of the negative people in here.
2 We played with a very Young and inexperienced midfield
3 Swansea played well
4 It seems that Skrtel and Lovren do not gel as a partnership
5 this game wasn't a major priority this week
6 Klopp knows better than anyone what he is doing
7 Klopp has a free pass he has improved this squad even without buying and selecting anyone yet
8 The kids even the ones that struggled will have gained from this experience
9 Ojo looked quite good in patches of the game.

and in the end the Hillsborough tribute today and the outcome this week was worth more than this game, this season or even this decade.

So we lost big deal move on to Thursday and get behind this manager he is only warming up for us.

Right that said i am out of here!

 

[Flaccido Dongingo]

Disgusting performance, look on the bright side, there are only 3 league games left that Skrtel is eligible to be selected for, the chaos in defence when he plays surely cannot be a coincidence.

[SerbianScouser]

Brilliant delivery from Ojo for the goal.

It puts shame on all our previous set-piece takers this season. If we had that kind of delivery consistently this season we would have scored significantly more from set-pieces and wouldn`t be moaning so much about them as I imagine we must be one of the worst in the league in that aspect. I think good delivery is even more important than having players who are overly dominant in the air.

[wemmick]

I guess my thought on this match is that Klopp shouldn't be criticized for trusting his fringe players and young players to get a job done at this point, even when they fail miserably, like today. We've had a threadbare squad at times this season, and some of the replacements have shown promise and some haven't, but I think I have a much better understanding of our squad right now than I ever did under Rodgers. We played our starters into the ground last season, and didn't develop the fringe players the season before, even when we were pummeling the shit out of teams, so I don't really mind if Klopp's decisions to test the young lads and reserve guys cost us points. It's a long term approach to managing.

To be completely honest, I enjoyed watching the younger players today. They fought, struggled and failed, but I enjoyed watching them try to make the adjustments needed to make the step up. It's a hell of a mountain to climb.   

[soxfan]

Of course it's an excuse. If that was a full strength Liverpool side out there I would completely agree with what you're saying, but it wasn't it was a patched up one. Reason being? We've got a much more important game to play on Thursday.

Today the team put out played badly, but in the grand scheme of things, it matters very little. We can't qualify for the CL through the league anyway. So lets take it on the chin and move on.

I am firmly in the Klopp camp, but these league games matter if we want Europe next season. We MAY win Europa this month, but it's as likely we won't. And unless the cards break right for us we're going to end up 7th and out of Europa for next year. We really want to finish in the top 6 at least.

I am fine with his choice of players today, I understand why he did it. I trust him. Europa is top priority right now, as it should be. But this game didn't "matter very little". The loss hurts us.

[stoa]

To be honest, I am not that worried with today's result. We didn't play well and deservedly lost. Still, we played quite a few kids and it showed. The only thing that is really worrying in my view is Jordan Ibe. He's about a million miles away from the way he played when he first came into the team. And it's not only today's game it has been that way for weeks or even months. I don't know what has happened to him, but it is kind of sad to see how he's struggling to even get past one man or play a decent pass. He was a young player who was showing no fear of playing with the likes of Suarez or Sturridge and he fit right in. In recent weeks and months he looks like a boy playing against men who has no clue what to do...

[GregCharrua]

Thought the guy on NBC got it right. "Individuals playing individually." The team had no chemistry, and Swansea was up for it and well organized and pressed. Lost count of how many misplaced and silly passes were made, and players standing still with their hands up complaining instead of chasing the ball they just gave away.

Impossible to judge that side much, though. Would have been nice to get a result. Ibe still failed to impress, Ojo grew into the game but needs to toughen up - he's a big lad but gets bullied easily at times - and Smith had a poor match as well.

And the ref was awful.

Thursday, now.

[[new username under construction]]

I love you all, well nearly you all. But not you, thats right you.

Pfft like I care! I always have them over there!!!...not those though! only them!

[buttersstotch]

How many of those 10 other performances had the same patch up team as today.... Arrrgghh, you know what?...Forget about it. I'm off out for a few bank holiday beers and to hopefully see Leicester win the league. You carry on getting wound up about today and over-reacting. I'll chose to forget about it and leave it there.

Different opinions are what makes football beautiful. The team Klopp put out today on it's day was good enough to get a result. My point is, these wretched performances follow us about, no matter of the personnel.

We were awful today. Players make mistakes, but we kept making the same mistakes over and over again. How people can just say it's ok I'll never know. It hurts because I've seen it all far too much over the past 2 years.

[Zimagic]

To be honest, I am not that worried with today's result. We didn't play well and deservedly lost. Still, we played quite a few kids and it showed. The only thing that is really worrying in my view is Jordan Ibe. He's about a million miles away from the way he played when he first came into the team. And it's not only today's game it has been that way for weeks or even months. I don't know what has happened to him, but it is kind of sad to see how he's struggling to even get past one man or play a decent pass. He was a young player who was showing no fear of playing with the likes of Suarez or Sturridge and he fit right in. In recent weeks and months he looks like a boy playing against men who has no clue what to do...

Very interested to see how he comes out of the summer training camp because he's one who seems to have gone backwards which, as you say, is a bit baffling when you consider how he was playing on early on in Klopps tenure. Remember him and Origi at Southampton away in the cup? He was unplayable. Now we're almost pining for the games where he ran into blind alleys and insisted on skinning his man before laying the ball off because at least he forced opposing teams to stick a man on him and worry about that side. Now he's one half-decent cross per game and looking completely out of his depth. When was the last time he cut inside and tested a keeper with that left peg?

It could be a struggle to conform to the physical side of Klopps game, it could be less space to operate into but most of it seems to be that he looks lost. Tell you what, best he's looked recently has been when he switched inside for Milner half-way through the second half at Villarreal but even then was only for his defending and positionning. Has he been played wide right recently? Could be he prefers that side to the left.

[Gerrard-2-Torres]

I guess my thought on this match is that Klopp shouldn't be criticized for trusting his fringe players and young players to get a job done at this point, even when they fail miserably, like today. We've had a threadbare squad at times this season, and some of the replacements have shown promise and some haven't, but I think I have a much better understanding of our squad right now than I ever did under Rodgers. We played our starters into the ground last season, and didn't develop the fringe players the season before, even when we were pummeling the shit out of teams, so I don't really mind if Klopp's decisions to test the young lads and reserve guys cost us points. It's a long term approach to managing.

To be completely honest, I enjoyed watching the younger players today. They fought, struggled and failed, but I enjoyed watching them try to make the adjustments needed to make the step up. It's a hell of a mountain to climb.   

Completely agree mate. I'm in the same boat. Of course, the result was shit and even the young lads played shit, but they'll learn from this and so to will Klopp in terms of knowing the capabilities of certain players and if he deems they have the quality to be a part of this team in the future. Ojo showed real promise and is ahead of Jordon Ibe now in terms of the pecking order. The latter simply lacks footballing intelligence I feel and that is where Ojo will fair better.

Onwards and upwards, let us move past this and focus on Thursday night.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

Have a look at that and yet people still have the fucking cheek to say Brendan never won a cup here.

[redmark]

When was the last time he cut inside and tested a keeper with that left peg?

Today.

I agree with the general drift, though. His decision making on when to release the ball is awful at the moment.

[TepidT2O]

1 Nobody likes losing it is not the sole right of the negative people in here.
2 We played with a very Young and inexperienced midfield
3 Swansea played well
4 It seems that Skrtel and Lovren do not gel as a partnership
5 this game wasn't a major priority this week
6 Klopp knows better than anyone what he is doing
7 Klopp has a free pass he has improved this squad even without buying and selecting anyone yet
8 The kids even the ones that struggled will have gained from this experience
9 Ojo looked quite good in patches of the game.

and in the end the Hillsborough tribute today and the outcome this week was worth more than this game, this season or even this decade.

So we lost big deal move on to Thursday and get behind this manager he is only warming up for us.

Right that said i am out of here!

It's not great to lose, but of all our matches, I understand why minds might be elsewhere.

Concerns me more for Thursday than today, as I've always been of the opinion that you can't just turn it on and off again.

For me though, we probably learned more about who isn't good enough for next season than anything else...


Oh... And we've found someone who can actually take a corner!

[bird_lfc]

I thought Stewart was okay today?  And Randall didn't even play!

not a knee jerk based on today's game, I just mean in their general performances

[Sudden Death Draft Loser]

It's not great to lose, but of all our matches, I understand why minds might be elsewhere.

Concerns me more for Thursday than today, as I've always been of the opinion that you can't just turn it on and off again.

I don't understand why minds might be elsewhere, at least with regards to football, this was nowhere near Thursdays team. I also have little or no concern for Thursday as it was nowhere near Thursdays team.

[kevmck]

There is absolutely no excuse for that shitshow of a game.   Ridiculous team selection that showed from the whistle that nobody in red cared about the score.

Yes we have to keep the players fit for midweek,  but not at the expense of an utterly embarrassing performance like that.

Utterly furious right now,  and maybe when I've had time to calm down I'll be able to see a positive from it,  but I doubt it. 

[Illmatic]

It will be Firmino...  Sturridge will come off the bench.

Surely he will start with an out and out goal scorer? would be suicide not to in my opinion.

[Solomon Grundy]

Klopp was clearly unhappy about the amount of time we had to prepare for this game. Hence him moaning about the 12pm kickoff. I think it showed he had good reason to be concerned as well.

[JustDan]

Have a look at that and yet people still have the fucking cheek to say Brendan never won a cup here.

He didn't win it, he bought it. People hate it when the plastic clubs do that, so lets not be hypocrites here.

[rocco]

Klopp was clearly unhappy about the amount of time we had to prepare for this game. Hence him moaning about the 12pm kickoff. I think it showed he had good reason to be concerned as well.

Would 3pm made much difference

[stuartheal]

There is absolutely no excuse for that shitshow of a game.   Ridiculous team selection that showed from the whistle that nobody in red cared about the score.

Yes we have to keep the players fit for midweek,  but not at the expense of an utterly embarrassing performance like that.

Utterly furious right now,  and maybe when I've had time to calm down I'll be able to see a positive from it,  but I doubt it.

Blimey! We lost a game of football with very little significance and with many kids playing, to a decent side on their day.

Think it's fair to say Thursdsy is more important.

[L666KOP]

Would 3pm made much difference

Massive difference.

I wouldn't have had to do the commentary with a hangover, for one.

[fowlermagic]

Noticed there was some smoke about Sturridge walking off initially at FT but last 3 or 4 pages no mention of it....who was the other two players who went down the tunnel before Daniel? Amazing to hear Owen talk more sense than others here.

[N0rnIr0nRed]

Worst performance since Stoke hammered us that time.

[BEAST]

There is absolutely no excuse for that shitshow of a game.   Ridiculous team selection that showed from the whistle that nobody in red cared about the score.

Yes we have to keep the players fit for midweek,  but not at the expense of an utterly embarrassing performance like that.

Utterly furious right now,  and maybe when I've had time to calm down I'll be able to see a positive from it,  but I doubt it.

go rub one out so you can calm the fuck down

[Rush 82]

Massive difference.

I wouldn't have had to do the commentary with a hangover, for one.

[cptrios]

There is absolutely no excuse for that shitshow of a game.   Ridiculous team selection that showed from the whistle that nobody in red cared about the score.

Yes we have to keep the players fit for midweek,  but not at the expense of an utterly embarrassing performance like that.

Utterly furious right now,  and maybe when I've had time to calm down I'll be able to see a positive from it,  but I doubt it.

If we win on Thursday I will literally forget that this game happened.

[wemmick]

Completely agree mate. I'm in the same boat. Of course, the result was shit and even the young lads played shit, but they'll learn from this and so to will Klopp in terms of knowing the capabilities of certain players and if he deems they have the quality to be a part of this team in the future. Ojo showed real promise and is ahead of Jordon Ibe now in terms of the pecking order. The latter simply lacks footballing intelligence I feel and that is where Ojo will fair better.

Onwards and upwards, let us move past this and focus on Thursday night.

You know, with Ibe, sometimes I wonder if the lad doesn't think too much? He comes across as having little intelligence because he is so damned indecisive. I played with a guy like that in high school that went on to become a professional baseball player, and actually started for a few seasons as a pitcher in the majors. He was a physical freak of nature, and trained extremely well, but he made the stupidest decisions in games. I mean, he just made idiotic decisions all the time! He got drafted anyway, despite how poorly he played most of the time, and his pitching coach in his first spring training told him he would never make it unless he went with his first impulse on every pitch. He improved dramatically from there, to the point he became the organization's top pitching prospect for several years until he debuted and nailed down a starting spot.

I wonder if Ibe isn't the same? Sometimes I think he just overthinks every pass and dribble. He seems torn about every fucking move he makes in the game. Klopp keeps giving him chances, so he must train well enough, but there seems to be some disconnect between training and games.         

[Rush 82]

Boring, negative whingers

Pick yourselves up for Thursday

[Solomon Grundy]

Would 3pm made much difference

Perhaps yes. I suppose you'd  have to ask Klopp himself. He is the one who felt really bothered about it.

[kevmck]

Blimey! We lost a game of football with very little significance and with many kids playing, to a decent side on their day.

Think it's fair to say Thursdsy is more important.

I agree thursday is more important,  but doesn't excuse rolling over for Swansea. 

Fixture congestion etc,  understandable we'd field a weakened team,  but we didn't need to show up with a bunch of kids who look like they've never even had a kick around together. 

It screamed we don't give a shit right from the offset,  and for me,  that is not an acceptable mindset for Liverpool,  whether the game matters or not

[kevmck]

If we win on Thursday I will literally forget that this game happened.

I already want to forget it.. 

[Motty]

I think we only rested players because he had to today, not that he thought the game wasn't important.  Having said that, of course momentum is a big factor in sport, I can't believe anyone would think otherwise.

Nailed it there Shane.