Topic: "Green and Gold, it's O5e from Molde!" - Cornering like a reliant robin..

[Ghost Town]

Thing is will MoPo(GoProDoRehMeFaSoLaTe) want to go there now? He is managing the CL semi-finalists, with a billion pound cheese room under his control, and a fantastic squad of improving players + Harry Kane.

Why would he want to ditch all that for a sixth place club, with no recent meaningful pedigree, a revolving door of managers and a squad that needs a major rebuild?

I accept there was a point late last year when he would have jumped at the chance, but things change quickly in football.

[Dave D]

You've heard it here first... #PochettinoOut. Gotta keep ahead of the curve.

Ole is Old news.

It's only a matter of time before we see them flying banners over their ground wanting two managers out in the same season.

[bird_lfc]

Apparently 4 of the back 5 against Barcelona started a game in 2011 against Basel where they didn’t make it past the group stage.

Didn’t realise how bad the rebuild job they have there actually is. Probably on par with us under Hosgaon with the likes of konchesky and ngog starting games.

[Riquende]

Probably on par with us under Hosgaon

Bloody Hosgaon.

[Billy The Kid]

Nonsense. They are not a sacking club.

If you take Ferguson out of the equation, they've actually got quite a long history of sacking managers pretty regularly

Prior to Fergusons arrival, they were replacing managers every 2 to 3 years on average

The longevity of Fergusons reign has helped them to rewrite history somewhat

But overall, they've always been a sacking club. They're just reverting to form now

[Tesco tearaway]

Ole's starting to look like a kid who thought he won a ticket to the Chocolate factory but has ended up at Neverland.

He thought he was getting a jelly bean, but ended up with a Billie Jean.

[FiSh77]

He thought he was getting a jelly bean, but ended up with a Billie Jean.

Tremendous

[arthur sarnoff]

If you take Ferguson out of the equation, they've actually got quite a long history of sacking managers pretty regularly

Prior to Fergusons arrival, they were replacing managers every 2 to 3 years on average

The longevity of Fergusons reign has helped them to rewrite history somewhat

But overall, they've always been a sacking club. They're just reverting to form now

Said it many times, the supposed 'United Way' is just the Ferguson way.  And that way was 'Win fucking loads'.  I think most clubs would sign up for that.  Ferguson wasn't always all out attack, running down the wing and all that.  No, in his later years it was Rooney on the left, Park on the Right, stay tight and Ronaldo can get us something, particularly in tough games.

What much of their fanbase of the last 30 years want isn't fantastic football.  It's being winners.  Being able to tell everyone else they won.  Being able to hang banners at the Stretford End and sing about us.  It was about feeling better than anyone else, with surprisingly little joy attatched.

Not for all of them, by any means, but for a lot, it was about being attached to a team that won.  That sounds like I'm calling them all glory-hunters, but that's not what I mean.  I met so many who were interested in telling you that they were better than you, no matter your team. 

[Red_Rich]

'eres Andeh via Facetime (again).

https://youtu.be/oD-m-dppaQg

Big clearout int summoh!

[Skidder.]

The Owle...

Owle, Owle Owle!

[phonic]

He thought he was getting a jelly bean, but ended up with a Billie Jean.

Haha! Brilliant!

It makes me laugh seeing Man Utd fans now saying they'll need to get Poch in soon. As if he'd want to go there; why the fucking hell would he leave Spurs to go and manage that shambles?

[Ghost Town]

He thought he was getting a jelly bean, but ended up with a Billie Jean.

I don't get it

[MNAA]

Will not be surprised one jot if Oleh is sacked in the summer. If they don’t make Top 4, he’s done. They’re in a mess

[FlashGordon]

Will not be surprised one jot if Oleh is sacked in the summer. If they don’t make Top 4, he’s done. They’re in a mess

Not a hope, their online fans might want him gone but the locals would never allow it.

[1892tillforever]

If you take Ferguson out of the equation, they've actually got quite a long history of sacking managers pretty regularly

Prior to Fergusons arrival, they were replacing managers every 2 to 3 years on average

The longevity of Fergusons reign has helped them to rewrite history somewhat

But overall, they've always been a sacking club. They're just reverting to form now

I think they have sacked all but three managers in their history. Busby, Ferguson (only just remember) and Mangnall; the only three men to win a league title with United. I could be wrong about that btw, especially with the whole 'mutual agreement' bollocks. The gap between Busby and Ferguson in titles isn't even their longest.

[Tesco tearaway]

I don't get it

Sorry if you don't get it; Blame it on the boogie.

[Skidder.]

Not a hope, their online fans might want him gone but the locals would never allow it.

Indeed - people forget that there are, in my opinion, three sets of fans. Match-going fans, locale fans, and internet fans - not to say any one is of more merit than the other (or precedence); but the mindsets can range depending on the 'culture'.

It is practically the same with every club, but the 'big 4-6' who have wide-reaching international fanbases can have different footballing values due to their local culture and whatnot. And with the internet, well, we all know that the internet has spawned a whole new level of fan.

I keep coming back to this notion of Ole being their version of King Kenny - while there's a length and breadth of difference in footballing terms of course, it is what Ole represents and inspires that will drive the fanbase. The usual characters of the internet will just jump on any bandwagon that gives them exposure or a sense 'precedence', or influence (of course), but the Stretford End won't be sharpening their knives just yet.

It is when Fergie scales back from the touchline/dressing room when Ole should start to worry. He distanced himself when things went sour with Moyes and that is when the Stretford End went all-out on him.

If he doesn't get them top four, he'll have a hard time next season - personally, I think they'll get spawny somehow and Europa League will possibly appease the fanbase and shareholders enough to back him and I also think that Fergie will take up an 'official' position over the summer.

We'll see I guess - but yet again, it is interesting/funneh times down the M62 once again. Long may it continue.
 

[Riquende]

I don't get it

It's an accaboosti.

[BrandoLFC]

It's one thing for fans to wax poetically about how their team will move on 10 players and then get 10 better ones but to see the press do it is kind of crazy.  Aside from a team that is in administration when has something like that ever happened and it worked out?  Aside from taking away playing time you can't force a player to move to another club and earn less (Hello Sturridge).  Just selling more than 4 of their players that aren't out of contract will take a small miracle.  Then to get new players in that don't want Sanchez level wages at the start, hah.  They have a huge mess to clean up....

[RedG13]

The parking space thing is amazing if true. It surely isn't?

This guy turned nasty when managing Cardiff. His bullshit like 'United way' are a myth.

Would you trust this guy to spend £200 million? They genuinely need a whole new spine barring GK.

They have lost 5 from 7.

De Gea as one year left after this year on his contract. If they dont want to be a low block countering attacking team they also need a GK as De gea isnt very good with the ball at his feet or having to sweeper keeper on a high line

[FiSh77]

I don't get it

Just beat it then

[dimwit]

And sex is six in Swedish.

I've always thougth sex with six is Swedish.

[MNAA]

Not a hope, their online fans might want him gone but the locals would never allow it.

You think fans online or locals have any say? This is Man Utd Inc. They cannot afford to contiue to wallow in mediocrity. See how Ole navigate through this. Honeymoon is well and truly over. Knives have been unsheathed. If they are not top 4 ... there will be blood. Ole may be a “legend” but he is no Bobby Charlton. Someone was comparing him to our Kenny - that’s a travesty to Kenny and even Kenny was removed

[Peabee]

The massive issue they have is their two decent players, in their eyes, in de Gea and Pogba, both want massive new contracts which will put them on (near) parity with Sanchez.

I imagine the club would happily sell the latter but on the deal he’s on I doubt he’s going anywhere without one huge payoff. He’s got 3 years left on a £500k a week deal, so there’s £78m right there.

So they’ll end up giving massive deals to keep de Gea and Pogba.

This will then mean any new player they go after, especially if they don’t qualify for the CL, will demand massive deals too or they’ll go to one of the many better sides around.

They are a money making machine but they don’t have an endless pot of cash, and to get them up to the level of ourselves or City they really need to find 5 or 6 top top quality players. There is no way they’ll do that over anything less than 2 seasons (and that’s with perfect recruitment), which means they will also have to hope they can keep hold of the decent players they have/find.

I know they make a lot of money (for a football club), but three players on 500k a week would still be 12-15% of revenue?

[Skidder.]

De Gea will go with Mata and Herrera.

[CraigDS]

I know they make a lot of money (for a football club), but three players on 500k a week would still be 12-15% of revenue?

Yup, that was sort of my point. As much as they make they don’t have an infinite amount or an owner who will find a way to funnel more money in. So with the amount they need to buy, and with the prices the market is currently at, they’re going to struggle.

[Peabee]

Yup, that was sort of my point. As much as they make they don’t have an infinite amount or an owner who will find a way to funnel more money in. So with the amount they need to buy, and with the prices the market is currently at, they’re going to struggle.

Spot on. They’re not making Apple levels of money.

[the_red_pill]

It's one thing for fans to wax poetically about how their team will move on 10 players and then get 10 better ones but to see the press do it is kind of crazy.  Aside from a team that is in administration when has something like that ever happened and it worked out?  Aside from taking away playing time you can't force a player to move to another club and earn less (Hello Sturridge).  Just selling more than 4 of their players that aren't out of contract will take a small miracle.  Then to get new players in that don't want Sanchez level wages at the start, hah.  They have a huge mess to clean up....

The supply just won't be there for them and that's another thing that will hamper their efforts to rebuild.
United fans think it's just so easy as flashing the United ass in a player's face, but there other factors involved.

Both Barca and Madrid need to replace players. Bayern is in serious need of a rebuild and then you have Chelsea who need strikers and more; Arsenal- who will also be vying for the same bracket of players. Then there are yet more clubs who will also be active in the market- Valencia, Napoli etc
It's going to be a mad Summer.

They can't hog the market. It would be incredibly difficult for them to "buy all the players!".
I see 2/3 top... erm "popular" signings maybe for them- "mercenaries" who know they will get a wage bump and 28-year olds.

The rest will want to play at clubs with a clear direction.

United are in the position where they are desparate for more big names to appease the fans and will be desparate to sign anyone from the top bracket- wages and all.

[lamonti]

You think fans online or locals have any say? This is Man Utd Inc. They cannot afford to contiue to wallow in mediocrity. See how Ole navigate through this. Honeymoon is well and truly over. Knives have been unsheathed. If they are not top 4 ... there will be blood. Ole may be a “legend” but he is no Bobby Charlton. Someone was comparing him to our Kenny - that’s a travesty to Kenny and even Kenny was removed

They categorically can afford it, they are fucking loaded.

[Stevie2810]

Matic Herrera and Sanchez back in training. Bailly also back this weekend.

More options available the better for next Wednesday.
 
I think a team of the below could get a result vs City.

De Gea
Young Lindelof Smalling shaw
Pogba Herrera matic
Lingard Rashford Martial

[Andy @ Allerton!]

Talking to a Manchester United fan yesterday.

He said they will pay £2BN to buy the best players as they are the biggest club in the world.

[CraigDS]

Talking to a Manchester United fan yesterday.

He said they will pay £2BN to buy the best players as they are the biggest club in the world.

Was he in a padded cell whilst you were speaking to him?

[Tobelius]

Talking to a Manchester United fan yesterday.

He said they will pay £2BN to buy the best players as they are the biggest club in the world.

  Either he's from 50 years in the future or he's confused about what millions and billions are

[afc tukrish]

Talking to a Manchester United fan yesterday.

He said they will pay £2BN to buy the best players as they are the biggest club in the world.

Bebe's price has gone up...

[jepovic]

Doesn't help them to spend another 200 M if they lack an organization that can spot a good player. They will just end up overspending on whoever is the hottest name on the market.

Klopp didn't spend that much in the beginning. Only after he had rebuilt the scouting and made some progress , did he spend big on a couple of established top players. I don't know if it was his choice or the owners, but it was wise.

[Henry Kissinger]

Talking to a Manchester United fan yesterday.

He said they will pay £2BN to buy the best players as they are the biggest club in the world.

You really should stop hanging around school playgrounds mate, people will get the wrong idea.   

[Ziltoid]

I've always thougth sex with six is Swedish.

I need to go to Sweden, these 3somes I'm having are getting boring.

[Giono]

Doesn't help them to spend another 200 M if they lack an organization that can spot a good player. They will just end up overspending on whoever is the hottest name on the market.

Klopp didn't spend that much in the beginning. Only after he had rebuilt the scouting and made some progress , did he spend big on a couple of established top players. I don't know if it was his choice or the owners, but it was wise.

Klopp rebuilt the scouting network? I had not heard that. From what I understand, The scouting team is basically the old committee folks. The difference is that they have a manager who is looking for the same things.

I hope Man U spends more money on players. They have flushed so much down the toilette.

[PaulF]

I think they can persuade players they have a blueprint, and they can offer big wages. They need a doF in so they can appear to have a blueprint. Whether that dof has any influence or lasts past Xmas is a different matter.
It's taken us a decade to get where we are from rock bottom? They can do it a bit faster with their greater wealth. Will it take new owners to do it though?

[Lush is the best medicine...]

I think they can persuade players they have a blueprint, and they can offer big wages. They need a doF in so they can appear to have a blueprint. Whether that dof has any influence or lasts past Xmas is a different matter.
It's taken us a decade to get where we are from rock bottom? They can do it a bit faster with their greater wealth. Will it take new owners to do it though?

they need to feel humbled for want of a better word to go through such changes, not pump out that ‘biggest club in the world’ bullshit when you aren’t run at the level of clubs that are significantly lower on the status pole (atletico, Napoli, spurs, Dortmund), but I don’t think they are able to do so