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Re: Members Sales
« Reply #25280 on: July 1, 2022, 03:23:02 pm »
And your list will be locked BEFORE the start of the season so not that easy.

That's good, if it happens.

They said last season only 20 F&F, yet they let you add unlimited number, and then didn't even use it anyway.

I think someone earlier mentioned they should limit the number of games you can have transferred to you. That would be good. I mean, if you want loads of games given to you, then you should be buying a membership like the rest of us. Otherwise, why are we shelling out £30 a year when loads don't have to?

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Re: Members Sales
« Reply #25281 on: July 1, 2022, 03:25:07 pm »
That's good, if it happens.

They said last season only 20 F&F, yet they let you add unlimited number, and then didn't even use it anyway.

I think someone earlier mentioned they should limit the number of games you can have transferred to you. That would be good. I mean, if you want loads of games given to you, then you should be buying a membership like the rest of us. Otherwise, why are we shelling out £30 a year when loads don't have to?

As i have said loads of times, this is going to be a staged process.  last year they wanted to get NFC in, this year is about starting to tie it down further and learning a bit more, next season they will tie it down even further.

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Re: Members Sales
« Reply #25282 on: July 1, 2022, 03:25:49 pm »
So what would you do?  everyone moans about people buying and not going and now moan when the credit goes to the person who attended

If you buy the ticket and attend the game, you get the credit for it.
If you buy the ticket but don't attend the game, you don't get the credit.
If you don't buy the ticket direct from the club, you don't get a credit.

It's hardly rocket science.
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Re: Members Sales
« Reply #25283 on: July 1, 2022, 03:28:18 pm »
If you buy the ticket and attend the game, you get the credit for it.
If you buy the ticket but don't attend the game, you don't get the credit.
If you don't buy the ticket direct from the club, you don't get a credit.

It's hardly rocket science.

Thanks for the passive aggressive response....

That is what they are doing but they are also fixing it for those who have relied on others for years to go to finally build their credits.

As i have said i would expect it to be tied down even further in the coming seasons.

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Re: Members Sales
« Reply #25284 on: July 1, 2022, 03:28:33 pm »
no QR codes will cause carnage at the turnstiles since most go in using them rather than NFC

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Re: Members Sales
« Reply #25285 on: July 1, 2022, 03:28:39 pm »
And your list will be locked BEFORE the start of the season so not that easy.

It literally is that easy. Just get 4 people from Twitter and add them. No need for anyone else. Transfer 13 games to those 4 people. They're now in the guaranteed sale having never been to a game in their life.
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Re: Members Sales
« Reply #25286 on: July 1, 2022, 03:28:50 pm »
And your list will be locked BEFORE the start of the season so not that easy.

a tout with burner phones will go from 6 cards to 10 cards next season if they planned ahead...
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Re: Members Sales
« Reply #25287 on: July 1, 2022, 03:29:25 pm »
Thanks for the passive aggressive response....

That is what they are doing but they are also fixing it for those who have relied on others for years to go to finally build their credits.

As i have said i would expect it to be tied down even further in the coming seasons.

Apologies, that wasn't directed at you. It's a baffling decision from the club.
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Re: Members Sales
« Reply #25288 on: July 1, 2022, 03:29:40 pm »
no QR codes will cause carnage at the turnstiles since most go in using them rather than NFC

also a significant number of people don't have NFC smartphones. a friend has an older android and the only way is via QR code.
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Re: Members Sales
« Reply #25289 on: July 1, 2022, 03:30:23 pm »
It literally is that easy. Just get 4 people from Twitter and add them. No need for anyone else. Transfer 13 games to those 4 people. They're now in the guaranteed sale having never been to a game in their life.

Not sure your maths work there.  You are transferring 13 games to 4 people?  that is 52 games?!

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Re: Members Sales
« Reply #25290 on: July 1, 2022, 03:32:09 pm »
Apologies, that wasn't directed at you. It's a baffling decision from the club.

Its not just the club though is it, this will have input from the SOS etc.  they are intending to use FAN Update etc a lot more this season and don't forget they will be able to see who been added to the F&F lists etc so will be able to target people

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Re: Members Sales
« Reply #25291 on: July 1, 2022, 03:32:20 pm »
Not sure your maths work there.  You are transferring 13 games to 4 people?  that is 52 games?!

Me, my 2 mates and my brother have 13+ games but all live in NI, so will not have 13+ for next season.

I mean if each of us were to transfer 13 games this season to someone we've never met.
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Re: Members Sales
« Reply #25292 on: July 1, 2022, 03:32:26 pm »
QR codes going totally, will take a few games but going in full

They need to improve the scanner then because my phone will only scan when I bring up the QR code.

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Re: Members Sales
« Reply #25293 on: July 1, 2022, 03:32:44 pm »
no QR codes will cause carnage at the turnstiles since most go in using them rather than NFC

Hence why they are going to phase it out over a number of games

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Re: Members Sales
« Reply #25294 on: July 1, 2022, 03:32:53 pm »
People in this thread always vastly over-estimate the number of people who ACTUALLY go to 13+, rather than just have the credits for 13+. There are probably loopholes and sweet spots with this new system, but the idea that there are loads of groups of friends out there who each have 13+ and also know others who can and will go to 13+ is just paranoia from those who think they're going to lose out.
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Re: Members Sales
« Reply #25295 on: July 1, 2022, 03:34:05 pm »
Me, my 2 mates and my brother have 13+ games but all live in NI, so will not have 13+ for next season.

I mean if each of us were to transfer 13 games this season to someone we've never met.

ahh sorry i didn't read that way.   My understanding is that the club are going monitor this very closely and if people are transferring regularly they will be pulled up about it

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Re: Members Sales
« Reply #25296 on: July 1, 2022, 03:34:44 pm »
People in this thread always vastly over-estimate the number of people who ACTUALLY go to 13+, rather than just have the credits for 13+. There are probably loopholes and sweet spots with this new system, but the idea that there are loads of groups of friends out there who each have 13+ and also know others who can and will go to 13+ is just paranoia from those who think they're going to lose out.

Agreed.

it is a MASSIVE gamble to transfer to people you don't know.

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Re: Members Sales
« Reply #25297 on: July 1, 2022, 03:41:16 pm »
also a significant number of people don't have NFC smartphones. a friend has an older android and the only way is via QR code.

He can get a photo ID card

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Re: Members Sales
« Reply #25298 on: July 1, 2022, 03:43:23 pm »
People in this thread always vastly over-estimate the number of people who ACTUALLY go to 13+, rather than just have the credits for 13+. There are probably loopholes and sweet spots with this new system, but the idea that there are loads of groups of friends out there who each have 13+ and also know others who can and will go to 13+ is just paranoia from those who think they're going to lose out.

I won't lose out but still think it's daft to not need memberships

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Re: Members Sales
« Reply #25299 on: July 1, 2022, 03:44:20 pm »
I won't lose out but still think it's daft to not need memberships

You will though to take any kind of advantage.

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Re: Members Sales
« Reply #25300 on: July 1, 2022, 03:45:11 pm »
Hence why they are going to phase it out over a number of games

how can they phase it out when the country still sells smartphones without NFC tech? are they expecting people to buy new phones?

i'd have got it if these phones weren't wildly in circulation, but they are.
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Re: Members Sales
« Reply #25301 on: July 1, 2022, 03:47:45 pm »
how can they phase it out when the country still sells smartphones without NFC tech? are they expecting people to buy new phones?

i'd have got it if these phones weren't wildly in circulation, but they are.

Don't know, i don't work for the Club!!!  just passing on what i have heard

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Re: Members Sales
« Reply #25302 on: July 1, 2022, 03:58:05 pm »
You will though to take any kind of advantage.

I mean in terms of the fact I attend all games and don't transfer any anyway

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« Reply #25303 on: July 1, 2022, 03:59:18 pm »
I mean in terms of the fact I attend all games and don't transfer any anyway

Sorry, i know what you meant, what i mean is that for someone to take advantage of these credits in future they will need to be a member too.

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Re: Members Sales
« Reply #25304 on: July 1, 2022, 04:09:43 pm »
Don't know, i don't work for the Club!!!  just passing on what i have heard

sorry i was just musing not actually asking you  ;D

it's a good thing, but only if the tech is accessible and actually works
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Re: Members Sales
« Reply #25305 on: July 1, 2022, 04:12:46 pm »
Sorry, i know what you meant, what i mean is that for someone to take advantage of these credits in future they will need to be a member too.

Yeah, get you

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« Reply #25306 on: July 1, 2022, 04:20:47 pm »
You will be able to transfer to anyone on your friends and family, they don't have to be members, the credit will still go to them.  up to them to become a member or not after that.

Thanks for finally coming on to back me up on this was on my lonesome for a week 🤣

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« Reply #25307 on: July 1, 2022, 04:26:34 pm »
@sonofkenny any particular number for friends and family list?

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Re: Members Sales
« Reply #25308 on: July 1, 2022, 04:29:45 pm »
I donít agree with it at all.

I could just transfer my games to my partner to get them up to the 13, say they only have 11 Iíll transfer 2 in his name.

I just think if you canít go. Sell back to the club.

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« Reply #25309 on: July 1, 2022, 05:06:26 pm »
ahh sorry i didn't read that way.   My understanding is that the club are going monitor this very closely and if people are transferring regularly they will be pulled up about it

Good info as always SOK. 

It's a step in the right direction in my view but the club have got to keep on top of any abuse of the system.  I don't think it would be too many match-goers abusing the system but the touts would be all over it with burner phones.

Using the example mentioned above, if a tout has 6 cards * 19 games, each card can afford to transfer 6 matches per season whilst remaining at 13+.  This means a total of 36 credits (6 cards * 6 games) could be transferred to additional memberships the touts hold, jumping them from 6 to 8 cards with 13+ for the following season. 

Follow that logic forward and they could be up to 11 cards with 13+ the following season, 16 cards the year after that...

If the 13+ requirement reduces as you've suggested, they accelerate that even quicker.

Time will tell I guess.

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Re: Members Sales
« Reply #25310 on: July 1, 2022, 05:07:07 pm »
I donít agree with it at all.

I could just transfer my games to my partner to get them up to the 13, say they only have 11 Iíll transfer 2 in his name.

I just think if you canít go. Sell back to the club.

Ah but its nice to sort out a mate once in a while that doesn't get to go often.  I have done this in the past or got a spare to take my Dad as he doesn't have the money to attend or pay membership every year.

Its rare I do it but there are odd occasions where I cannot get out of anything else.

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« Reply #25311 on: July 1, 2022, 05:09:13 pm »
Good news this, will stop the touts and make life a lot harder for them.

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« Reply #25312 on: July 1, 2022, 05:09:30 pm »
Cheers for the info sonofkenny
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« Reply #25313 on: July 1, 2022, 05:31:06 pm »
Good news this, will stop the touts and make life a lot harder for them.

Just need to look at the aways next......

If they actually transfer the ticket, yes it will make it harder for the touts via locking the F&F down at the start of season but if they keep the ticket on a cheap burner, they can game the system to increase how many tickets they can tout.

We're talking about groups who are churning £10-20k per season touting match tickets and holding people's passports as deposits so they're hardly likely to be deterred by needing to spend a few £k on a batch of burner phones, particularly if they can double their opportunity within 2-3 seasons.

None of us like it, but why wouldn't they?




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Re: Members Sales
« Reply #25314 on: July 1, 2022, 05:56:02 pm »
how can they phase it out when the country still sells smartphones without NFC tech? are they expecting people to buy new phones?

i'd have got it if these phones weren't wildly in circulation, but they are.

As has been the case for OVER A YEAR - if a member / STH doesn't have an NFC enabled phone then they need to get a photo ID card from the club. It was announced at the time NFC was introduced that these would become the only 2 methods of getting into the ground for home supporters.

Good news this, will stop the touts and make life a lot harder for them.

Not sure you know how touts operate. If anything, the changes sonofkenny is talking about will actually improve the lives of the touts considerably as red number 9 pointed out.

Touts - in the traditional sense - don't transfer tickets via the club site you know; they literally hand over phones/screenshots or (in the old days) membership cards.

If you buy the ticket and attend the game, you get the credit for it.
If you buy the ticket but don't attend the game, you don't get the credit.
If you don't buy the ticket direct from the club, you don't get a credit.

It's hardly rocket science.

Agree wholeheartedly with this. Whilst it doesn't do anything to deter touting it will stop credit hunting.

I would even go further and put a limit on how many times per season a member/STH can transfer their ticket to someone else. For example - there is no possible excuse for a member/STH to transfer their ticket for more than half the games
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« Reply #25315 on: July 1, 2022, 06:18:07 pm »
Ah but its nice to sort out a mate once in a while that doesn't get to go often.  I have done this in the past or got a spare to take my Dad as he doesn't have the money to attend or pay membership every year.

Its rare I do it but there are odd occasions where I cannot get out of anything else.

It is nice to do! I get that and there is no denying it, itís just not the Ďfairí way to do things haha!

But thatís the world I guess.

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« Reply #25316 on: July 1, 2022, 06:59:52 pm »
I have a question.

Lots of talk about members transferring to "boost' other members.

What happens if a STH transfers to a member? Does the member still get the credit for that home game?
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Re: Members Sales
« Reply #25317 on: July 1, 2022, 07:25:22 pm »
I have a question.

Lots of talk about members transferring to "boost' other members.

What happens if a STH transfers to a member? Does the member still get the credit for that home game?
I'd hope not otherwise the amount of people on 13+ next season will be rediculous

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« Reply #25318 on: July 1, 2022, 08:01:08 pm »
I have a question.

Lots of talk about members transferring to "boost' other members.

What happens if a STH transfers to a member? Does the member still get the credit for that home game?

Thatís a very good point 😂😂

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« Reply #25319 on: July 1, 2022, 08:59:52 pm »
This is actually incorrect but your 2nd bit is correct, you can get junior tickets anywhere in the ground now (a strange ruling in a court about Tottenham discriminating against disabled forcing them to go into a set section) and you've been able to buy kids anywhere for the last couple seasons

What I would say tho is if your kid is young he'll probably complain he cant see all game because people are stood up. And unless you're in 13+ or in the auto cups already (which a new junior membership wouldnt be) then you've pretty much 0% chance of getting KOP tickets as they'd sell out before the ballot sale


Thanks for the replies everyone Iíll enter into ballot and hope for anything we can get . Not fussed which seats or which games, just be great to get going with my lad.