Author Topic: VAR! Video Assistant Referee & Shite Referees in General (Read 1356634 times)

LanceLink!!!!! · « **Reply #360 on:** January 27, 2018, 08:16:08 pm »

Quote from: Jake on January 27, 2018, 08:14:11 pm

It's fucking ruined this game.

It's going to ruin football.

Bin it ASAP.

North Red · « **Reply #361 on:** January 27, 2018, 08:18:08 pm »

Quote from: LanceLink on January 27, 2018, 08:16:08 pm

It's going to ruin football.

Bin it ASAP.

Absolutely. I'm done with it if it's going to be like this

sms1986 · « **Reply #362 on:** January 27, 2018, 08:19:54 pm »

Glad that we're getting the correct decisions thanks to VAR, but hopefully it'll be quicker as the referees get used to it.

Schmidt · « **Reply #363 on:** January 27, 2018, 08:20:12 pm »

Took a long time there but I'd expect it to go a lot quicker in most situations and the process will get a lot smoother as time goes on. I wouldn't be surprised if the referees eventually start taking the word of the VAR which would speed things up too.

Not a fan of the delay regardless but if it stops the mancs getting all of those offside decisions and defensive teams getting away with fouls in the box all the time it could be worth it.

bryanod · « **Reply #364 on:** January 27, 2018, 08:21:41 pm »

Quote from: Schmidt on January 27, 2018, 08:20:12 pm

Took a long time there but I'd expect it to go a lot quicker in most situations and the process will get a lot smoother as time goes on. I wouldn't be surprised if the referees eventually start taking the word of the VAR which would speed things up too.

This is what I want, gets 3 or 4 replays, if can't be clear enough to overturn then go with ref decision. Keep it simple and speed it up, but right decisions are most important.

Narwin Dunez · « **Reply #365 on:** January 27, 2018, 08:22:59 pm »

Who does it benefit in terms of a spectator sport? Noone.

HMHB said it best: M is for the mistakes we sometimes make. Surely a bit of controversy is part of the game's appeal?

BER · « **Reply #366 on:** January 27, 2018, 08:25:46 pm »

At least the time is more likely to be added on, unlike when a goalkeeper takes a minute to take a goal kick.

Upinsmoke · « **Reply #367 on:** January 27, 2018, 08:26:28 pm »

Even though the right outcome is made it's shit. Takes fucking ages. You've got opposition players who the decision has gone against crowding the ref.

It's just shit

El Lobo · « **Reply #368 on:** January 27, 2018, 08:26:40 pm »

Makes dreadful players look even more dreadful!!!

LanceLink!!!!! · « **Reply #369 on:** January 27, 2018, 08:27:41 pm »

The referee's decision used to be final

Give it 5 years and corner decisions will be going to VAR.

It's got to be all or nothing, preferably nothing.

Schmidt · « **Reply #370 on:** January 27, 2018, 08:27:45 pm »

Quote from: Jake on January 27, 2018, 08:22:59 pm

Who does it benefit in terms of a spectator sport? Noone.

HMHB said it best: M is for the mistakes we sometimes make. Surely a bit of controversy is part of the game's appeal?

It could be fun to see pundits struggle without any contentious decisions to talk about though, it's all they have.

BER · « **Reply #371 on:** January 27, 2018, 08:27:56 pm »

Quote from: Jake on January 27, 2018, 08:22:59 pm

Who does it benefit in terms of a spectator sport? Noone.

HMHB said it best: M is for the mistakes we sometimes make. Surely a bit of controversy is part of the game's appeal?

We would be 3-1 down and wouldn't have been awarded that penalty. Seems to be working okay. The delay and confusion adds it's own drama too.

Upinsmoke · « **Reply #372 on:** January 27, 2018, 08:28:04 pm »

Bet the smaller teams who use underhanded tactics hate it.

Barneylfc∗ · « **Reply #373 on:** January 27, 2018, 08:33:01 pm »

So they added 4 minutes when there was 4 minutes of VAR stoppages alone. Nothing for the 3 goals and 2 injuries and subs. Get this fucked off. It's fucking horrendous.

LanceLink!!!!! · « **Reply #374 on:** January 27, 2018, 08:34:32 pm »

Players and managers calling for it to be used will be another fucking wind up, like the imaginary yellow cards.

If I wanted to watch souless bullshit, I'll watch Rugby.

Upinsmoke · « **Reply #375 on:** January 27, 2018, 08:35:05 pm »

Doesn't work on the whole. Gonna end up reviewing every goal ever scored.

Libertine · « **Reply #376 on:** January 27, 2018, 08:35:55 pm »

Pure and utter farce.

Destroying the game.

Zlen · « **Reply #377 on:** January 27, 2018, 08:38:21 pm »

Definition of a killjoy - right there in the dictionary next to Liverpool's defence.

Alex Raisbeck · « **Reply #378 on:** January 27, 2018, 08:39:09 pm »

Needs to be fucked off-creating more controversy (which creates more headlines I suppose?)

redbyrdz · « **Reply #379 on:** January 27, 2018, 08:41:43 pm »

Terrible. Keeps fucking up the flow, and rewards players for falling over so the VAR sees it. And players keep asking for it at any opportunity too. Get rid, quick.

The North Bank · « **Reply #380 on:** January 27, 2018, 08:42:33 pm »

I voted against it from day 1, when there was a poll.
It's the worst new invention ever. Ruining every game it's used in.
Sick of players making the screen sign every 2 minutes.

Alan_X · « **Reply #381 on:** January 27, 2018, 08:42:52 pm »

Hate it. First game I’ve watched where we were playing and it’s shite. Everything I thought it would be.

TepidT2O · « **Reply #382 on:** January 27, 2018, 08:42:56 pm »

It’s way worse than I expected..

And I thought it would be poor..

rafathegaffa83 · « **Reply #383 on:** January 27, 2018, 08:43:53 pm »

Quote from: Upinsmoke on January 27, 2018, 08:35:05 pm

Doesn't work on the whole. Gonna end up reviewing every goal ever scored.

What should be done is that either the fourth official or a video referee off-site makes the call, rather than the match ref. Works in other sports. Less time wasting, less players moaning while the ref is trying to hear information.

Libertine · « **Reply #384 on:** January 27, 2018, 08:46:11 pm »

If you can't even celebrate a goal, what exactly is the point of football?

Alan_X · « **Reply #385 on:** January 27, 2018, 08:46:40 pm »

And instead of discussing referee decisions they’re discussing VAR at half time. Utter bollocks

North Red · « **Reply #386 on:** January 27, 2018, 08:47:39 pm »

Football is perfect as it is. This makes it soulless

TepidT2O · « **Reply #387 on:** January 27, 2018, 08:48:30 pm »

Quote from: Alan_X on January 27, 2018, 08:46:40 pm

And instead of discussing referee decisions they’re discussing VAR at half time. Utter bollocks

The ref saying it’s only game 6....

Tacit admission that it’s an utter shambles..

Phil M · « **Reply #388 on:** January 27, 2018, 08:50:57 pm »

I HAVE RESET THE POLL. (Yay was 292 to Nay 94 approx)

Sammy5IsAlive · « **Reply #389 on:** January 27, 2018, 08:53:22 pm »

You can see the potential for making sure decisions are correct. But the current format doesn't work - the refs will end up calling for a replay on every goal/incident that anywhere close to contentious to protect themselves.

I'd keep it but put it down to the teams to call for replays - 1-2 challenges a game.

LanceLink!!!!! · « **Reply #390 on:** January 27, 2018, 08:54:51 pm »

Quote from: Sammy5IsAlive on January 27, 2018, 08:53:22 pm

You can see the potential for making sure decisions are correct. But the current format doesn't work - the refs will end up calling for a replay on every goal/incident that anywhere close to contentious to protect themselves.

I'd keep it but put it down to the teams to call for replays - 1-2 challenges a game.

Challenges will be just as bad, they will be used tactically.

Bin it totally.

Libertine · « **Reply #391 on:** January 27, 2018, 08:58:42 pm »

6 players about 10 yards offside.

Let's just check it to be sure.....

classycarra · « **Reply #392 on:** January 27, 2018, 09:46:48 pm »

Anyone who lacked the imagination to understand why VAR is a joke really should understand now.

Last minute, Foster saves Van Dijk header and holds onto the ball for over ten seconds. Why can't a video ref count six seconds? Is it beyond his capacity? All this 'technology', and we can't get the most basic and objective of rules to be correctly applied?

In no way an improvement.

classycarra · « **Reply #393 on:** January 27, 2018, 09:47:45 pm »

Quote from: Libertine on January 27, 2018, 08:58:42 pm

6 players about 10 yards offside.

Let's just check it to be sure.....

If ever a moment summed up the farce that is VAR, it was that (coupled with the check for offsides on Salah's goal). It's incentive for refs to stop calling what they see

classycarra · « **Reply #394 on:** January 27, 2018, 09:48:57 pm »

Quote from: Tepid T₂O on January 27, 2018, 08:48:30 pm

The ref saying it’s only game 6....

Tacit admission that it’s an utter shambles..

If they haven't tested this in this country at a lower level, and that's really only the sixth time ever, then the FA are bigger fuckwits than I thought

classycarra · « **Reply #395 on:** January 27, 2018, 09:50:28 pm »

Quote from: Brneylfc on January 27, 2018, 08:33:01 pm

So they added 4 minutes when there was 4 minutes of VAR stoppages alone. Nothing for the 3 goals and 2 injuries and subs. Get this fucked off. It's fucking horrendous.

Good to see you've come round. You were ripping us all the other day for suggesting it'd run games much longer and here you're asking for 7 or 8 minutes injury time in the first half alone

Keith Lard · « **Reply #396 on:** January 27, 2018, 09:52:00 pm »

We completely benefitted from var today.

Yet I still think it is awful( right now) ... kills flow and momentum of games horribly.

Brian Blessed · « **Reply #397 on:** January 27, 2018, 10:03:46 pm »

Did I see the red checking with VAR when they had six players offside in about the 51st minute?

Is he purposely trying to get rid of it by showing it to delve ridiculous?

Skeeve · « **Reply #398 on:** January 27, 2018, 10:04:05 pm »

Quote from: Classycara on January 27, 2018, 09:50:28 pm

Good to see you've come round. You were ripping us all the other day for suggesting it'd run games much longer and here you're asking for 7 or 8 minutes injury time in the first half alone

The obvious point is that they need to get faster with VAR (the radio and tv both called the penalty correctly within seconds so why isn't the VAR seeing same footage as them?) and not bin it just because it isn't working perfectly, VAR correctly reversed two mistakes today after all.

classycarra · « **Reply #399 on:** January 27, 2018, 10:11:14 pm »

Quote from: Skeeve on January 27, 2018, 10:04:05 pm

The obvious point is that they need to get faster with VAR (the radio and tv both called the penalty correctly within seconds so why isn't the VAR seeing same footage as them?) and not bin it just because it isn't working perfectly, VAR correctly reversed two mistakes today after all.

This isn't new technology. We've had the ability to replay in quick time for decades now, and funnily enough pundits fans players managers referees (whoever) are still unable to consistently call the rules the same way. Pretty fundamental and basic reason being that it's subjective. People are falling for a logical fallacy that 'new' technology being implemented equals progress. It doesn't, it's regression from not great to bad.

To borrow your phrase - the old way of refereeing should be tweaked and improved systematically (and there are some easy marginal gains to start with), "not bin it just because it isn't working perfectly"