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Re: Liverpool's Best Midfield Combination?
« Reply #160 on: September 16, 2014, 12:01:35 am »
I would really like to see Allen as Libero again.  Tried it when he first arrived and looked nervous but reckon he is growing to be able now.  Always creates space for himself and has that Xabi gift on knowing when to stay short, change pace etc.

Just my opinion like - Also Can is def box to box for me as well

Tried it when  he first arrived and (he) looked nervous?

BR selected him to play where Lucas had played after coming back from his injury, in a 1-2 midfield with a 433.

He didn't look nervous at all. He was excellent, especially going forward.
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Re: Liverpool's Best Midfield Combination?
« Reply #161 on: September 16, 2014, 12:09:05 am »
Tried it when  he first arrived and (he) looked nervous?

BR selected him to play where Lucas had played after coming back from his injury, in a 1-2 midfield with a 433.

He didn't look nervous at all. He was excellent, especially going forward.

Yeah this. He's usually comfortable anywhere in midfield and always offers an option. A good player and great to have in the squad.

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Re: Liverpool's Best Midfield Combination?
« Reply #162 on: September 16, 2014, 06:54:20 am »
Taking form into consideration, it has to be a midfield three of Gerrard, Henderson and Allen.

I'm genuinely curious here. Why do you want Gerrard in the team? You told us that you thought he offered 'absolutely nothing' to the team. So why do you want a player who offers nothing to be in your preferred midfield combination?

I mean, even Lee Cattermole would offer something to our midfield. So would Robbie Savage, even now. And I'm not taking the piss by the way. Technically they would offer something. So why do you want a player who offers fuck all to be in the team? As I said, I'm genuinely curious and quite puzzled.
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Re: Liverpool's Best Midfield Combination?
« Reply #163 on: September 16, 2014, 07:09:42 am »
I'm genuinely curious here. Why do you want Gerrard in the team? You told us that you thought he offered 'absolutely nothing' to the team. So why do you want a player who offers nothing to be in your preferred midfield combination?

I mean, even Lee Cattermole would offer something to our midfield. So would Robbie Savage, even now. And I'm not taking the piss by the way. Technically they would offer something. So why do you want a player who offers fuck all to be in the team? As I said, I'm genuinely curious and quite puzzled.

Because he's currently our best deep lying midfielder (in terms of out and out deep lying midfielder). I still think we need a better, more mobile midfielder who is capable of filling in there. You could put Henderson back there, sure, but it would limit his game and his attributes. Like I said in a previous post, you could put Allen back there and he would probably be the most ideal despite his small stature. However Gerrard has played there the most out of any of our other midfielders (excluding Lucas). I can appreciate what Gerrard offers in a 4-3-3 (as the lone pivot) or a 4-1-2-1 (again as the lone pivot) but he struggles really badly in a midfield two (no fault of his own really). I love Gerrard man, trust me, easily my favourite player of recent times watching football. I can explain in more depth if you would like, so I can get my point across better.

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Re: Liverpool's Best Midfield Combination?
« Reply #164 on: September 16, 2014, 08:08:50 am »
Daley Blind would have improved our midfield. 14 million, what a steal.

I don't see Gerrard getting dropped any time soon so the only way to work it is using Allen/Can and Hendo ahead of him to do all the dirty work.

I would love to see how a Gerrard-less midfield functions , at least in cup games to begin. Use Can as the DM and play Allen and Hendo in front.

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Re: Liverpool's Best Midfield Combination?
« Reply #165 on: September 16, 2014, 08:11:27 am »
Daley Blind would have improved our midfield. 14 million, what a steal.

Nah. We could do much better than him.

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Re: Liverpool's Best Midfield Combination?
« Reply #166 on: September 16, 2014, 08:13:43 am »
Nah. We could do much better than him.

He is pretty good though. Can play in multiple positions too. A proper DM who can run AND pass the ball. Technically and tactically sound.

We needed that sort of a player. Matic, Fernando, Blind , someone of that ilk.
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Re: Liverpool's Best Midfield Combination?
« Reply #167 on: September 16, 2014, 08:14:38 am »
Would that not be wasting Can's box to box ability though? I know he played in midfield for Leverkusen but I'm not sure if he was often the deepest or just a natural central midfielder. If anything I'd rather see Allen the deepest with Henderson and Lallana in front, who I feel has the best impact on games when he's played centrally.

Yeah, Allen can play as a pivot too. Did pretty well when Lucas was injured last season.

Would be happy with those three in any combination/configuration.
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Re: Liverpool's Best Midfield Combination?
« Reply #168 on: September 16, 2014, 08:16:24 am »
He is pretty good though. Can play in multiple positions too. A proper DM who can run AND pass the ball. Technically and tactically sound.

We needed that sort of a player. Matic, Fernando, Blind , someone of that ilk.

Whilst I do agree we need a player with similar attributes, I feel we could do better than Blind. He's a good player no doubt, but not great yet. Definitely agree we need a strong, physical DM who is both good technically and tactically.

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Re: Liverpool's Best Midfield Combination?
« Reply #169 on: September 16, 2014, 08:16:41 am »
He is pretty good though. Can play in multiple positions too. A proper DM who can run AND pass the ball. Technically and tactically sound.

We needed that sort of a player. Matic, Fernando, Blind , someone of that ilk.

Don't agree. Think we need someone who does more at both ends of the field. A Pogba, Vidal type player. We look good with a 3 when we have Allen in there and its that sort of player we need.

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Re: Liverpool's Best Midfield Combination?
« Reply #170 on: September 16, 2014, 08:17:40 am »
Yeah, Allen can play as a pivot too. Did pretty well when Lucas was injured last season.

Would be happy with those three in any combination/configuration.

Agreed mate. Got to love being able to come up with so many different combinations. Feels good man. I just feel we are usually at our best with a three man midfield and controlling the middle of the park. It also allows cover for Gerrard, Henderson to break forward and our fullbacks to push up a bit (not as much in a diamond but they can still venture forward).

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Re: Liverpool's Best Midfield Combination?
« Reply #171 on: September 16, 2014, 08:55:07 am »
In all honesty, why exactly did Gerrard have to be protected today? Why did Henderson need to play that 'deep' to begin with?

The 4231 with Gerrard as one of the two offers us the square root of eff all, either defensively or in attack.

4123 or 41212. Forget Gerrard and another, especially in attack, on the same level. It doesn't work.

At some points during today's game Gerrard was effectively on Lovren's toes going forward. What's the point of that?

Gerrard wasn't being 'protected' - Coutinho was. He was being given the central role that suits and he wants; he was released from significant defensive duties; he was given additional attacking passing options in Markovic and Lallana, in the unfortunate absence of Sturridge and his movement.

Elephant in the room (ie that 'no one wants to talk about'; the forum is overflowing with those desperate to talk about Gerrard's perceived failings)? Coutinho's inconsistency.
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Re: Liverpool's Best Midfield Combination?
« Reply #172 on: September 16, 2014, 11:18:08 am »
Nah. We could do much better than him.

But didn't do any better than him did we. We really really needed another CM in the summer. Can's injury record already looking a bit worrying. Does anyone know if we made enquiries about Alonso?

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Re: Liverpool's Best Midfield Combination?
« Reply #173 on: September 16, 2014, 11:55:05 am »
But didn't do any better than him did we. We really really needed another CM in the summer. Can's injury record already looking a bit worrying. Does anyone know if we made enquiries about Alonso?

Do we really need another midfielder though? Gerrard, Henderson, Allen, Lucas, Can, Coutinho all play CM, Lallana is someone many believe will have cameos there, can you really justify another body in midfield? It's all about squad management, it's definitely not about chucking 14m on a player that we can do much better than in 12 months time if the right player becomes available and we move on Lucas and Gerrards role becomes more limited.

I'd love to give Allen, Henderson and Lallana, or Coutinho, a go. Dynamic, energetic, I think the ball retention would be fantastic in the middle of the park. I think we'll see this (or Lucas being in there) quite  a bit this season with the added games that Gerrard can do without.

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Re: Liverpool's Best Midfield Combination?
« Reply #174 on: September 16, 2014, 12:04:29 pm »
I am still struggling to understand how Lallana has suddenly turned into a CM after coming to Liverpool when he hasn't played there ever in his career.

There is zero basis for his supposed ability as a CM, its all based on where people WANT to see him play for whatever reason.

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Re: Liverpool's Best Midfield Combination?
« Reply #175 on: September 16, 2014, 12:07:24 pm »
Don't agree. Think we need someone who does more at both ends of the field. A Pogba, Vidal type player. We look good with a 3 when we have Allen in there and its that sort of player we need.

I think Can is that player, watching those videos of him in the Bundesliga he was great running from deep, carrying the ball forward with pace and stength aswell. When he's been deployed for us it's been too far up the pitch for me, and I don't think we've been playing to his strengths by asking him to receive the ball and turn quickly, in a role more suited to Joe Allen or Henderson for example.

One of the problems we faced the weekend, as Carra and Neville pointed out was that by man marking Gerrard, Villa stopped us playing. How would you do that against a midfield of Can, Henderson, and Allen for example, any one can offer a threat going forward, and are athletic enough to cover, should we loose possession. There is huge long term potential with Can as DM for me.
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Re: Liverpool's Best Midfield Combination?
« Reply #176 on: September 16, 2014, 12:09:16 pm »
I am still struggling to understand how Lallana has suddenly turned into a CM after coming to Liverpool when he hasn't played there ever in his career.

There is zero basis for his supposed ability as a CM, its all based on where people WANT to see him play for whatever reason.
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Re: Liverpool's Best Midfield Combination?
« Reply #177 on: September 16, 2014, 12:10:11 pm »
I am still struggling to understand how Lallana has suddenly turned into a CM after coming to Liverpool when he hasn't played there ever in his career.

There is zero basis for his supposed ability as a CM, its all based on where people WANT to see him play for whatever reason.

It all depends on how they are expected to play, he has the right sort of skillset to play as one of the middle two of a diamond or the two in front of Gerrard in a 4-1-2-3 quite easily in the same way that Coutinho has been used that way in the past too.

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Re: Liverpool's Best Midfield Combination?
« Reply #178 on: September 16, 2014, 12:13:37 pm »
You could have said the same about Coutinho until recently.

He hasn't been very good recently though. In any case, it doesn't mean Lallana can do the same. I don't see anything to indicate Lallana can be a proper CM in our setup.
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Re: Liverpool's Best Midfield Combination?
« Reply #179 on: September 16, 2014, 12:15:43 pm »
I am still struggling to understand how Lallana has suddenly turned into a CM after coming to Liverpool when he hasn't played there ever in his career.

There is zero basis for his supposed ability as a CM, its all based on where people WANT to see him play for whatever reason.

He has played there, occasionally, for Southampton. He's played quite a bit as an attacking midfielder and it isn't too far-fetched to suggest he could play the most-attacking-of-three central role as Coutinho did last season.
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Re: Liverpool's Best Midfield Combination?
« Reply #180 on: September 16, 2014, 12:24:13 pm »
He hasn't been very good recently though. In any case, it doesn't mean Lallana can do the same. I don't see anything to indicate Lallana can be a proper CM in our setup.
Coutinho hasn't played CM for a while, and when he has he been pretty good.

But that's irrelevant, Coutinho has shown the capability to play CM in our team, Lallana has some similar skill-set to Coutinho and some of his pressing and winning the ball back stats suggest he could fit that role.
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Re: Liverpool's Best Midfield Combination?
« Reply #181 on: September 16, 2014, 12:25:10 pm »
He is pretty good though. Can play in multiple positions too. A proper DM who can run AND pass the ball. Technically and tactically sound.

We needed that sort of a player. Matic, Fernando, Blind , someone of that ilk.

I agree he's a pretty good player - not as good as the Mancs believe, but good. However, we're well stocked in midfield with equal and better talent; all cheaper too.
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Re: Liverpool's Best Midfield Combination?
« Reply #182 on: September 16, 2014, 12:27:50 pm »
But didn't do any better than him did we. We really really needed another CM in the summer. Can's injury record already looking a bit worrying. Does anyone know if we made enquiries about Alonso?

We did, we've got Gerrard who by all means would have pissed the Dutch league which Blind played in last season even at 40. I do like Blind though, he is a decent solid player, not too dissimilar to Allen, is he what we need though, no i don't think so.

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Re: Liverpool's Best Midfield Combination?
« Reply #183 on: September 16, 2014, 12:28:32 pm »
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Re: Liverpool's Best Midfield Combination?
« Reply #184 on: September 16, 2014, 01:24:36 pm »
Anything that doesn't involve a flat 2 with Gerrard/Henderson, Lucas/Gerrard etc.

Would love us to try Henderson/Allen/Lallana at some point - Allen played the pivot role brilliantly when he first arrived - was MotM v's Arsenal in that role.

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Re: Liverpool's Best Midfield Combination?
« Reply #185 on: September 16, 2014, 01:29:56 pm »
Anything that doesn't involve a flat 2 with Gerrard/Henderson, Lucas/Gerrard etc.

Would love us to try Henderson/Allen/Lallana at some point - Allen played the pivot role brilliantly when he first arrived - was MotM v's Arsenal in that role.

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Re: Liverpool's Best Midfield Combination?
« Reply #186 on: September 16, 2014, 02:13:32 pm »
Not just because of the recent result against Spurs but I genuinely do think a midfield trio of Allen/Henderson/Gerrard is our best, with Gerrard obviously sitting the deepest,

The International Break was horrible because it robbed us of Sturridge but also of Allen who would have 100% started against Villa.

I think Allen/Henderson/Lallana could also work very well. I don't want to see Lucas and Gerrard in the CM again as it's far too static

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Re: Liverpool's Best Midfield Combination?
« Reply #187 on: September 16, 2014, 03:22:06 pm »
On the subject of our midfield, is it me or is our current squad one of the worst we've had in terms of long range efforts? In games like Villa last week and Chelsea last season we often resort to shooting from distance, which is a good tactic in moderation as long as you have players with a good shot.

I don't think Gerrard has scored one since the volley at the Etihad. Coutinho had a good effort at the weekend but still misses the target more often than not. Off the top of my head I can't remember Henderson, Allen or Lucas scoring many. Lallana got a few at Southampton so I really hope he can carry it on here once he gets a run of games.

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Re: Liverpool's Best Midfield Combination?
« Reply #188 on: September 16, 2014, 03:27:01 pm »
Daley Blind would have improved our midfield. 14 million, what a steal.



wait until he faces Fernandino and Yaya toure in 1v1's he will get exposed. He's only a little bit more mobile than Carrick

Agree with Killer Heels we need a box to box midfielder like Pogba not a blind. Allen can do what Blind does with better physicality

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Re: Liverpool's Best Midfield Combination?
« Reply #189 on: September 16, 2014, 03:34:03 pm »
Does anyone have stats on our results when playing Gerrard in a midfield "2" alongside someone else - im thinking they are not great but it could be an incorrect perception on my part

Id also like to know how we do when playing a 4-3-3 team which includes Gerrard - for me Gerrard should play just in front of the back 4, in a 4-1-whatever

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Re: Liverpool's Best Midfield Combination?
« Reply #190 on: September 17, 2014, 09:45:38 am »
i would like to see sometimes this combination

          Can
    Hendo Allen
       Sterling
       
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Re: Liverpool's Best Midfield Combination?
« Reply #191 on: September 17, 2014, 09:49:54 am »
 --- Gerrard/Can/Lucas---
Hendo/Lazar ---- Lallana/Allen
   --- Sterling/Countinho

With two up front - Sturridge/Balotelli/Borini/Lambert..

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Re: Liverpool's Best Midfield Combination?
« Reply #192 on: September 17, 2014, 10:07:28 am »
--- Gerrard/Can/Lucas---
Hendo/Lazar ---- Lallana/Allen
   --- Sterling/Countinho

With two up front - Sturridge/Balotelli/Borini/Lambert..
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Re: Liverpool's Best Midfield Combination?
« Reply #193 on: September 17, 2014, 10:11:35 am »
i would say given the small amount of games Lallana, Markovic,Can have played it is way too early to consider this yet!
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Re: Liverpool's Best Midfield Combination?
« Reply #194 on: September 17, 2014, 10:14:07 am »
Gerrard, with Allen and Henderson in front of him, and Sterling at the top of a diamond.

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Re: Liverpool's Best Midfield Combination?
« Reply #195 on: September 17, 2014, 10:15:12 am »
i would like to see sometimes this combination

          Can
    Hendo Allen
       Sterling
       

this. teams are sticking to gerrard like glue and we need to switch it up.

this whole quarterback role that is sooo crucial to how we play is absolute nonsense imo. teams like aston villa and chelsea know exactly where our deficiencies lie in midfield and we cant keep this up if we wanna end up in top 4

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Re: Liverpool's Best Midfield Combination?
« Reply #196 on: September 17, 2014, 10:27:44 am »
this. teams are sticking to gerrard like glue and we need to switch it up.

this whole quarterback role that is sooo crucial to how we play is absolute nonsense imo. teams like aston villa and chelsea know exactly where our deficiencies lie in midfield and we cant keep this up if we wanna end up in top 4

Nonsense? We got to Second playing that formation and with that role.

How many games have you seen of Can in the DM position btw?

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« Reply #197 on: September 17, 2014, 10:29:47 am »
this. teams are sticking to gerrard like glue and we need to switch it up.

Yes, Agbonlahor stuck so close to Gerrard that he only got on the ball 107 times in that game.
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Re: Liverpool's Best Midfield Combination?
« Reply #198 on: September 17, 2014, 10:30:12 am »
Yes, Agbonlahor stuck so close to Gerrard that he only got on the ball 107 times in that game.

And they managed 1 shot all game.....

Peoples default argument has resulted to blame Gerrard, without any reasoning.


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Re: Liverpool's Best Midfield Combination?
« Reply #199 on: September 17, 2014, 10:31:11 am »
Nonsense? We got to Second playing that formation and with that role.

How many games have you seen of Can in the DM position btw?

he plays there for germany u21, and i'm pretty sure he played for leverkusen too

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