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Re: Financial Fair Play - developments in here
« Reply #1840 on: March 21, 2024, 07:48:02 pm »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68580638

Leicester City: Premier League charges Championship club for alleged breaches of financial rules

Leicester City have been charged by the Premier League for allegedly breaking spending rules during their last three seasons in the top flight.

But follows the old timetable meaning possible deduction next season.

That article also suggests the EFL are looking at this season's figures meaning what happens here would have happened to Everton...
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Re: Financial Fair Play - developments in here
« Reply #1841 on: March 21, 2024, 09:08:17 pm »
Apparently, the Profit and Sustainability Rules are controversial.

The only thing controversial about PSR, is that the clubs charged act surprised that they've been caught.
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Re: Financial Fair Play - developments in here
« Reply #1842 on: March 22, 2024, 08:45:22 am »
Is there any chance when the rules bite more, that transfer fees and player wages will drop ? 

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Re: Financial Fair Play - developments in here
« Reply #1843 on: March 22, 2024, 08:47:35 am »
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/saudi-pro-league-europe-jordan-henderson-uefa-b2477646.html

Saudi can only buy so many players. The extra allowance doesn't change much because young players are unlikely to move there.

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Re: Financial Fair Play - developments in here
« Reply #1844 on: March 22, 2024, 08:48:13 am »
Is there any chance when the rules bite more, that transfer fees and player wages will drop ? 

That would be the sensible option, but never underestimate the greed of players and agents
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Re: Financial Fair Play - developments in here
« Reply #1845 on: March 22, 2024, 08:54:56 am »
Supply will outstrip demand soon, all these clubs needing to sell their homegrown players by june. Its good to see, but only if the likes of chelsea and city get punished will this really work. So far they’re just picking on the small fry.

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Re: Financial Fair Play - developments in here
« Reply #1846 on: March 22, 2024, 09:29:50 am »
Supply will outstrip demand soon, all these clubs needing to sell their homegrown players by june. Its good to see, but only if the likes of chelsea and city get punished will this really work. So far they’re just picking on the small fry.

Agreed, it would be a foolish club that pays full whack for a player being sold by a club desperate for a sale.
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Re: Financial Fair Play - developments in here
« Reply #1847 on: March 22, 2024, 09:46:14 am »
Agreed, it would be a foolish club that pays full whack for a player being sold by a club desperate for a sale.

The annoyance with Chelsea is that their homegrown players are also probably their best players. Spurs will definitely go big for Gallagher. If Colwill is available I'd imagine we'd go pretty big on him still. Maatsen classes as homegrown and I'm sure will bring in pretty big money considering how well he's doing at Dortmund. There's definitely some dimwit clubs who will still give pretty big money for the likes of Broja and Chalobah. Think they've got a few youngsters in the Championship doing pretty well too.

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Re: Financial Fair Play - developments in here
« Reply #1848 on: March 22, 2024, 11:00:40 am »
Meh, this laying down of the law recently seems all show to me. The punishments are barely fitting the crime since the knock-on affect is almost immeasurable to every team in the football pyramid.

The plastics and the inferior side of manc are strongly confident of no wrong doing. I mean, will it be so easily overlooked that the oilers effectively made up bullcrap companies with fake CEOs who magically invest millions into the club (in manc's case anyway). It cannot be so easy, plus everyone is corruptible and has a price, so really I have no confidence that the biggest scam in world football wont happily continue forever. Sadly.

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Re: Financial Fair Play - developments in here
« Reply #1849 on: March 22, 2024, 11:08:44 am »
Imagine having a club with 115 charges (and more post 2018 pending) winning everything and then charging Everton, Nottingham Forrest and Leicester. This league is corrupt to the fucking core.

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Re: Financial Fair Play - developments in here
« Reply #1850 on: March 22, 2024, 11:19:20 am »
Its a really, really bad look to be punishing teams in the season that they broke the rules, potentially seeing them relegated, but are still going with the 'we'll deal with the 115 charges together and that might not be for another year or two'.

They've really backed themselves into a corner where they need to be going back to each season and retroactively applying a penalty to that season, and dealing with whatever that means.

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Re: Financial Fair Play - developments in here
« Reply #1851 on: March 22, 2024, 06:15:29 pm »
Imagine having a club with 115 charges (and more post 2018 pending) winning everything and then charging Everton, Nottingham Forrest and Leicester. This league is corrupt to the fucking core.
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Re: Financial Fair Play - developments in here
« Reply #1852 on: March 22, 2024, 07:11:19 pm »
Is there any chance when the rules bite more, that transfer fees and player wages will drop ? 

They already have; as we have seen the quietest January transfer window ever with little business being done.

It’s not a good look for the premier league for this to be happening to 3-4
Clubs a season and £35m a year doesn’t seem to be that high, especially considering it was introduced nearly 10 years ago. I believe we will see the loss tolerance increase fairly
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Re: Financial Fair Play - developments in here
« Reply #1853 on: March 22, 2024, 07:13:58 pm »
Its a really, really bad look to be punishing teams in the season that they broke the rules, potentially seeing them relegated, but are still going with the 'we'll deal with the 115 charges together and that might not be for another year or two'.

They've really backed themselves into a corner where they need to be going back to each season and retroactively applying a penalty to that season, and dealing with whatever that means.

I agree with you but the Man City case is far more complex and harder to prove. I would rather it take longer and they mail the bastards than rushing it through with less of a case.

Although 70 of those charges are around co-operation. Clearly they haven’t co-operated so they will be guilty
Of them and maybe they could be heard earlier?

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Re: Financial Fair Play - developments in here
« Reply #1854 on: March 22, 2024, 07:24:06 pm »
They already have; as we have seen the quietest January transfer window ever with little business being done.

It’s not a good look for the premier league for this to be happening to 3-4
Clubs a season and £35m a year doesn’t seem to be that high, especially considering it was introduced nearly 10 years ago. I believe we will see the loss tolerance increase fairly
Soon.


They've had talks about using UEFA's cost control rules where a percentage of revenue can be used for transfer fees, wages and agents, there's some slight differences where UEFA's starts at 90% then reduces to 80% then 70%, the figure mooted by the premier league was 85% which gives clubs outside UEFA competitions a bit more leeway but those who qualify will need to stick to UEFA's limit, not sure how it will affect anyone who unexpectedly qualifies for Europe and is over UEFA's limit

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Re: Financial Fair Play - developments in here
« Reply #1855 on: March 22, 2024, 08:38:18 pm »
They've had talks about using UEFA's cost control rules where a percentage of revenue can be used for transfer fees, wages and agents, there's some slight differences where UEFA's starts at 90% then reduces to 80% then 70%, the figure mooted by the premier league was 85% which gives clubs outside UEFA competitions a bit more leeway but those who qualify will need to stick to UEFA's limit, not sure how it will affect anyone who unexpectedly qualifies for Europe and is over UEFA's limit
If you qualify for a european competition,  you're not likely to be above becauae of the extra revenue that it brings.

For example, a Wolves will stick to 85% of their PL revenue. If they make Europe, their limits increase due to increased income.

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Re: Financial Fair Play - developments in here
« Reply #1856 on: March 22, 2024, 09:33:10 pm »
They already have; as we have seen the quietest January transfer window ever with little business being done.

It’s not a good look for the premier league for this to be happening to 3-4
Clubs a season and £35m a year doesn’t seem to be that high, especially considering it was introduced nearly 10 years ago. I believe we will see the loss tolerance increase fairly
Soon.

The thing is the tolerance of £35m a year isn't a target to hit, clubs should be aiming for break even. Its bad management by the clubs to get themselves into the situation they are in- for example if you aim for a loss and then finish 3 or 4 places below your expected position you will break the rules

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Re: Financial Fair Play - developments in here
« Reply #1857 on: March 23, 2024, 12:51:25 am »
Imagine having a club with 115 charges (and more post 2018 pending) winning everything and then charging Everton, Nottingham Forrest and Leicester. This league is corrupt to the fucking core.

It does feel like they are just picking on the relative little guys while the biggest culprits still carry on as if nothing is going on.
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Re: Financial Fair Play - developments in here
« Reply #1858 on: March 23, 2024, 12:58:48 am »
It does feel like they are just picking on the relative little guys while the biggest culprits still carry on as if nothing is going on.
Or building up their ability to defend by experience before the onslaught from City's very expensive legal team who are delaying this at every step as such a team can do
The more charges there are the more opportunities there are to delay
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Re: Financial Fair Play - developments in here
« Reply #1859 on: March 25, 2024, 06:04:54 pm »
Forest are appealing their punishment. I’m astonished, I thought they got off exceptionally lightly.
There’s a chance they could increase the punishment
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Re: Financial Fair Play - developments in here
« Reply #1860 on: March 25, 2024, 06:39:01 pm »
Forest are appealing their punishment. I’m astonished, I thought they got off exceptionally lightly.
There’s a chance they could increase the punishment

If you get points off for co-operating with the enquiry, but then launch an appeal then it should be bumped back up to the original punishment if its deemed frivolous.

Especially with the deadline being after the season finishes for the appeal process to be finalised

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Re: Financial Fair Play - developments in here
« Reply #1861 on: March 25, 2024, 07:19:49 pm »
If you get points off for co-operating with the enquiry, but then launch an appeal then it should be bumped back up to the original punishment if its deemed frivolous.

Especially with the deadline being after the season finishes for the appeal process to be finalised

That is my view as well.
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Re: Financial Fair Play - developments in here
« Reply #1862 on: March 25, 2024, 08:31:42 pm »
If you get points off for co-operating with the enquiry, but then launch an appeal then it should be bumped back up to the original punishment if its deemed frivolous.

Especially with the deadline being after the season finishes for the appeal process to be finalised

Yep. Utter nonsense. But they've seen Everton get a lighter punishment and now want their own

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Re: Financial Fair Play - developments in here
« Reply #1863 on: March 26, 2024, 11:20:22 am »
If you get points off for co-operating with the enquiry, but then launch an appeal then it should be bumped back up to the original punishment if its deemed frivolous.

Especially with the deadline being after the season finishes for the appeal process to be finalised

A reminder that I believe Man City have 35 counts against them for NOT co-operating.

Also, to all those who say "Why no City justice yet", it is true the 4-year investigation and 115 charges will take some going through! However, if they are not hit with Thor's hammer, the Premier League will burn, in my opinion.

I'd say City should get one relegation, and a transfer ban for 18 months - 2 years. That would be fine with me, the reputational damage would be massive and Pep would be gone.
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Re: Financial Fair Play - developments in here
« Reply #1864 on: March 26, 2024, 11:26:11 am »


I'd say City should get one relegation,

they should get bumped to non-league

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Re: Financial Fair Play - developments in here
« Reply #1865 on: March 26, 2024, 12:11:03 pm »
It seems a little wild that the punishments were not thought through and put into black and white terms when the clubs signed up.

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Re: Financial Fair Play - developments in here
« Reply #1866 on: March 26, 2024, 12:15:57 pm »
The PL must know they lose all control of the game if Abu Dhabi are not severely punished.

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Re: Financial Fair Play - developments in here
« Reply #1867 on: March 26, 2024, 03:14:40 pm »
It seems a little wild that the punishments were not thought through and put into black and white terms when the clubs signed up.


Can you imagine, it's the 20th May, the season has finished, Everton and Forest are in the bottom 3 on the same points, 1 point behind Luton and Burnley but with a better GD. Luton and Burnley had massive parties on the pitch on the 19th after they have beaten Fulham and Forest with late goals (and Arsenal have beaten Everton with a last minute winner).


The appeals are heard in the last week in May, the appeals only have to give back a point each and Luton and Burnley go down.


Just imagine that one.
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Re: Financial Fair Play - developments in here
« Reply #1868 on: March 26, 2024, 04:48:28 pm »
It seems a little wild that the punishments were not thought through and put into black and white terms when the clubs signed up.
It was done this way to ensure that clubs didn't get visibility of the punishment. A tactic to stop clubs weighing up whether intentionally breaking the rules would be worth the punishment.

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Re: Financial Fair Play - developments in here
« Reply #1869 on: March 26, 2024, 04:55:12 pm »

Can you imagine, it's the 20th May, the season has finished, Everton and Forest are in the bottom 3 on the same points, 1 point behind Luton and Burnley but with a better GD. Luton and Burnley had massive parties on the pitch on the 19th after they have beaten Fulham and Forest with late goals (and Arsenal have beaten Everton with a last minute winner).


The appeals are heard in the last week in May, the appeals only have to give back a point each and Luton and Burnley go down.


Just imagine that one.

yeah, or forest are just in the bottom 3, just a point below everton and they have their appeal hearing - and the points deduction is upheld, and stay rooted in the bottom 3.

it's a bloody mess.
there should have been a clear chart of charges:
fail to meet psr once = 10 points and a 18 month / 3 window incoming transfer ban (with the exception of free/loans)
fail to meet psr again = 15 point and a further 12 month extension of ban
fail to co-operate / mislead = additional 5 points
rinse and repeat until the clubs meet psr

i imagine penalty clauses are quite common in most contracts - i'd expect a multi billion pound contract between 20 organisations should have been crystal clear

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Re: Financial Fair Play - developments in here
« Reply #1870 on: April 4, 2024, 12:54:34 pm »
And here we go, changes being proposed to change PSR to be money penalties not point reductions.

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Re: Financial Fair Play - developments in here
« Reply #1871 on: April 4, 2024, 01:03:02 pm »
And here we go, changes being proposed to change PSR to be money penalties not point reductions.

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Re: Financial Fair Play - developments in here
« Reply #1872 on: April 4, 2024, 01:05:29 pm »
And here we go, changes being proposed to change PSR to be money penalties not point reductions.

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How are genuinely skint clubs (Everton) meant to pay a fine?  State owned clubs will be happy with this

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« Reply #1873 on: April 4, 2024, 01:07:19 pm »
How are genuinely skint clubs (Everton) meant to pay a fine?  State owned clubs will be happy with this

The idea is to not spend what you can’t afford !

It’s a complete mess and if it comes in then I hope everyone will be happy when Saudi start offering players £1m a week.

The game is fcuked in the PL and has been ever since they allowed countries to buy clubs.

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Re: Financial Fair Play - developments in here
« Reply #1874 on: April 4, 2024, 01:11:20 pm »
Wait, what?
You're up to your nose in debt and over spending limits.
Solution - make that team lose more money.

Do they have monkeys in charge or something?

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Re: Financial Fair Play - developments in here
« Reply #1875 on: April 4, 2024, 01:14:14 pm »
Wait, what?
You're up to your nose in debt and over spending limits.
Solution - make that team lose more money.

Do they have monkeys in charge or something?

It’s not designed for them we all know who this is being bought in for.


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Re: Financial Fair Play - developments in here
« Reply #1876 on: April 4, 2024, 01:14:15 pm »
The PL must know they lose all control of the game if Abu Dhabi are not severely punished.

Equally are they not being threatened by the Tories with losing control to an independent regulator if they do punish Abu Dhabi?

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« Reply #1877 on: April 4, 2024, 01:14:42 pm »
Confusing, seems to be working well in my opinion, clubs that don't play by the rules are getting punished or hopefully in the process of being punished.

But whatever can line some greedy c*nts pockets is usually the way sadly. Congrats to City, Newcastle and whoever else gets state owned on all the titles, it would finish this league.

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« Reply #1878 on: April 4, 2024, 01:16:01 pm »
Equally are they not being threatened by the Tories with losing control to an independent regulator if they do punish Abu Dhabi?

You need to remember Arsenal, Man Utd and LFC need relegating for their part in this heist of the league.

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Re: Financial Fair Play - developments in here
« Reply #1879 on: April 4, 2024, 01:17:33 pm »
The league is dead if this happens. PSR is finally working and they are talking about binning it. Fucking joke.
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