Author Topic: The newbie apple thread (Read 37615 times)

Mudface_ · « **Reply #240 on:** March 27, 2007, 01:32:14 pm »

Quote from: Smiff on March 27, 2007, 01:22:40 pm

theres a reason why they dont make turning off the pc that straight forward as just clicking an off button

I can imagine the howls of protests at Microsoft/ Apple when users accidentally clicked on it....

As for the Start menu, surely if you're completely new to a computer, that's the first thing you're going to click on? Unless you're spectacularly unobservant, you'd see the Shut Down command with a big switch icon next to it. In either case, Mac or PC, you're hardly going to forget where it is once you've located it.

iSmiff · « **Reply #241 on:** March 27, 2007, 01:34:42 pm »

you work with BOTH machines

WITCH! WITCH! WITCH!

iSmiff · « **Reply #242 on:** March 27, 2007, 01:36:12 pm »

Quote from: Mudface_ on March 27, 2007, 01:32:14 pm

I can imagine the howls of protests at Microsoft/ Apple when users accidentally clicked on it....

As for the Start menu, surely if you're completely new to a computer, that's the first thing you're going to click on? Unless you're spectacularly unobservant, you'd see the Shut Down command with a big switch icon next to it. In either case, Mac or PC, you're hardly going to forget where it is once you've located it.

you might click on the recycle bin first, its usually the only desktop icon on windows after an install

but you'd get bored with that pretty quick i should think

nidgemo · « **Reply #243 on:** March 27, 2007, 02:01:22 pm »

Quote from: Smiff on March 27, 2007, 01:36:12 pm

you might click on the recycle bin first, its usually the only desktop icon on windows after an install

but you'd get bored with that pretty quick i should think

Depends. If it was a second hand machine sold by an idiot, there'd always be a chance the recycle bin could be full of porn.

iSmiff · « **Reply #244 on:** March 27, 2007, 02:30:36 pm »

or worse, it could be Gary Glitters...

Ben S · « **Reply #245 on:** March 27, 2007, 02:40:04 pm »

Quote from: ElSheak on March 27, 2007, 01:07:46 pm

Only difference is that Windows (without logic) requires you to go to a menu called Start.

You want to start the process of shutting your computer down don't you. Logical enough.

PaulF · « **Reply #246 on:** March 27, 2007, 02:41:02 pm »

At least on a Windows PC, when you have found the 'Shut down' option hidden carefully behind the start button, the machine will shut down.
My Mac however warns me it's going to shut down in 180seconds, and gives me an option to shut down immediately. It then proceeds to ignore my shut down request.

Oh hang on, I've already told you this. I suppose as it's my only gripe so far it's not too bad.
ps I've found absolute poker works with it, which would be fine, except the world's best poker players seem to be there.....

nidgemo · « **Reply #247 on:** March 27, 2007, 02:41:48 pm »

Quote from: Ben S on March 27, 2007, 02:40:04 pm

You want to start the process of shutting your computer down don't you. Logical enough.

Ahhh, the delusions of windows users that their system makes sense...

nidgemo · « **Reply #248 on:** March 27, 2007, 02:42:27 pm »

Quote from: PaulF on March 27, 2007, 02:41:02 pm

At least on a Windows PC, when you have found the 'Shut down' option hidden carefully behind the start button, the machine will shut down.
My Mac however warns me it's going to shut down in 180seconds, and gives me an option to shut down immediately. It then proceeds to ignore my shut down request.

Oh hang on, I've already told you this. I suppose as it's my only gripe so far it's not too bad.
ps I've found absolute poker works with it, which would be fine, except the world's best poker players seem to be there.....

2 possible reasons for this...

1. They're Lucky bastards. Nothing more.

2. Mac users are smarter and more skilled than PC users. More Mac users play absolute poker due to the compatibility.

A genuine question Paul...

Youve been a PC user for years, and have now lived with an admittidely old and underpowered mac for a week or so.

How do you find it.

In what areas do you find either better or worse?

More importantly, what will your NEXT new computer be?

iSmiff · « **Reply #249 on:** March 27, 2007, 02:44:18 pm »

yes because clicking on an apple is the obvious way to shut a machine down

nidgemo · « **Reply #250 on:** March 27, 2007, 02:46:28 pm »

Quote from: Smiff on March 27, 2007, 02:44:18 pm

yes because clicking start is the obvious way to stop a machine

iSmiff · « **Reply #251 on:** March 27, 2007, 02:49:36 pm »

start the shutdown process

apple the shutdown process

bradigor · « **Reply #252 on:** March 27, 2007, 02:49:39 pm »

May try that myself Paul..........do they take Solo or Paypal?

Mudface_ · « **Reply #253 on:** March 27, 2007, 02:52:16 pm »

Quote from: Smiff on March 27, 2007, 02:44:18 pm

yes because clicking on an apple is the obvious way to shut a machine down

Hopefully it'll get upgraded to a melon in the next update, maybe even a 3D one on the Power Macs.

PaulF · « **Reply #254 on:** March 27, 2007, 02:54:10 pm »

Quote from: bradigor on March 27, 2007, 02:49:39 pm

May try that myself Paul..........do they take Solo or Paypal?

Not sure, I'll check with them.

nidgemo · « **Reply #255 on:** March 27, 2007, 02:58:23 pm »

Guys, why not just go for some online blackjack...

I'm told by my poker addict friend that it's easier money, and, with downloading of a few handy guides of when to twist or stick in certain situations, it's almost free money...

bradigor · « **Reply #256 on:** March 27, 2007, 02:58:42 pm »

Quote from: PaulF on March 27, 2007, 02:54:10 pm

Not sure, I'll check with them.

Star.........................

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mobydick · « **Reply #257 on:** March 27, 2007, 03:07:17 pm »

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=169304.0;attach=108217;image

Where do I find the secure erase options nidge?

nidgemo · « **Reply #258 on:** March 27, 2007, 03:18:52 pm »

Quote from: mobydick on March 27, 2007, 03:07:17 pm

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=169304.0;attach=108217;image

Where do I find the secure erase options nidge?

Hard drive > applications > utilities > disc utility

Though to completely erase a hard drive, you need to start up from the system CD, where the disc utility will also appear.

mobydick · « **Reply #259 on:** March 27, 2007, 03:23:21 pm »

Thanks.

As my MacBook is new I'll store that for future use.

I can sell my big fuck off magnet to a windoze user now

PaulF · « **Reply #260 on:** March 27, 2007, 03:32:15 pm »

Quote from: nidgemo 3.11 on March 27, 2007, 02:42:27 pm

A genuine question Paul...

Youve been a PC user for years, and have now lived with an admittidely old and underpowered mac for a week or so.

How do you find it.

In what areas do you find either better or worse?

More importantly, what will your NEXT new computer be?

Genuine answer....

The display on the mac on the same monitor I use for my PC is MUCH nicer to use. I'm sure there's a technical reason why, but I don't need to know it.

Downloading and installing (and removing) apps is a much cleaner process once you get used to it. I still have my suspicions that it's not installing and uninstalling as cleanly as I think it should, but that may be windows based paranoia.

At times it's annoyingly sluggish but that's to be expected given how underpowered the machine is compared to what I'm using.

I don't like the 'bouncing' icons in the dock, which seem to be feedback that something is loading. I'm not sure what's going on so it tends to result in me clicking the icon a few more times (again on a faster mac, I doubt it would be an issue).

Also if I click on the dock on something that's already open, I expect it to start a new instance of the app or switch to an already running one. In particular firefox does seem a bit unpredictable but it may be due the old technology seeming unresponsive.

A minor niggle is moving the mouse down into the bottom of the screen only brings the dock up if you are over the area where the dock is (my dock only has a few icons, so is only in the middle).

Overall though, I'm pleasantly suprised. I did need to go off and find DNS settings due to a hiccup with my ISP, I was expecting to really struggle to find that and get annoyed as I know where to find them in windows, but it was quite straightforward.

I would definitely pass one on to my parents for their web surfing.
I would certainly consider one as a laptop for using in the living room. Having said that, a bottom end windows laptop is all I'd require for living room use and they are going for about £350 now. I'd consider an equivalently specced mac laptop for £450, but more difference than that and money would talk.

For my main computer though I'd probably stick with Windows. If I was upgrading, I'd want something that could just about play the latest/greatest games and also I need the Microsoft stuff for work.

mulfella · « **Reply #261 on:** March 27, 2007, 04:02:36 pm »

Quote from: PaulF on March 27, 2007, 03:32:15 pm

Genuine answer....

The display on the mac on the same monitor I use for my PC is MUCH nicer to use. I'm sure there's a technical reason why, but I don't need to know it.

Downloading and installing (and removing) apps is a much cleaner process once you get used to it. I still have my suspicions that it's not installing and uninstalling as cleanly as I think it should, but that may be windows based paranoia.

At times it's annoyingly sluggish but that's to be expected given how underpowered the machine is compared to what I'm using.

I don't like the 'bouncing' icons in the dock, which seem to be feedback that something is loading. I'm not sure what's going on so it tends to result in me clicking the icon a few more times (again on a faster mac, I doubt it would be an issue).

Also if I click on the dock on something that's already open, I expect it to start a new instance of the app or switch to an already running one. In particular firefox does seem a bit unpredictable but it may be due the old technology seeming unresponsive.

A minor niggle is moving the mouse down into the bottom of the screen only brings the dock up if you are over the area where the dock is (my dock only has a few icons, so is only in the middle).

Overall though, I'm pleasantly suprised. I did need to go off and find DNS settings due to a hiccup with my ISP, I was expecting to really struggle to find that and get annoyed as I know where to find them in windows, but it was quite straightforward.

I would definitely pass one on to my parents for their web surfing.
I would certainly consider one as a laptop for using in the living room. Having said that, a bottom end windows laptop is all I'd require for living room use and they are going for about £350 now. I'd consider an equivalently specced mac laptop for £450, but more difference than that and money would talk.

For my main computer though I'd probably stick with Windows. If I was upgrading, I'd want something that could just about play the latest/greatest games and also I need the Microsoft stuff for work.

Executive summary:

Like it, bit of an expensive toy though.

WorldChampions · « **Reply #262 on:** March 27, 2007, 04:18:58 pm »

System preferences > dock > animate opening applications

Can turn the bouncing off there paul

PaulF · « **Reply #263 on:** March 27, 2007, 04:29:10 pm »

Quote from: mulfella on March 27, 2007, 04:02:36 pm

Executive summary:

Like it, bit of an expensive toy though.

It's a long day

That's about right though. Maybe toy isn't quite the right word.

mulfella · « **Reply #264 on:** March 27, 2007, 04:38:36 pm »

Quote from: PaulF on March 27, 2007, 04:29:10 pm

It's a long day

That's about right though. Maybe toy isn't quite the right word.

Depends what effect you want to achieve

nidgemo · « **Reply #265 on:** March 27, 2007, 04:45:00 pm »

Quote from: PaulF on March 27, 2007, 03:32:15 pm

Genuine answer....

The display on the mac on the same monitor I use for my PC is MUCH nicer to use. I'm sure there's a technical reason why, but I don't need to know it.

Downloading and installing (and removing) apps is a much cleaner process once you get used to it. I still have my suspicions that it's not installing and uninstalling as cleanly as I think it should, but that may be windows based paranoia.

At times it's annoyingly sluggish but that's to be expected given how underpowered the machine is compared to what I'm using.

I don't like the 'bouncing' icons in the dock, which seem to be feedback that something is loading. I'm not sure what's going on so it tends to result in me clicking the icon a few more times (again on a faster mac, I doubt it would be an issue).

Also if I click on the dock on something that's already open, I expect it to start a new instance of the app or switch to an already running one. In particular firefox does seem a bit unpredictable but it may be due the old technology seeming unresponsive.

A minor niggle is moving the mouse down into the bottom of the screen only brings the dock up if you are over the area where the dock is (my dock only has a few icons, so is only in the middle).

Overall though, I'm pleasantly suprised. I did need to go off and find DNS settings due to a hiccup with my ISP, I was expecting to really struggle to find that and get annoyed as I know where to find them in windows, but it was quite straightforward.

I would definitely pass one on to my parents for their web surfing.
I would certainly consider one as a laptop for using in the living room. Having said that, a bottom end windows laptop is all I'd require for living room use and they are going for about £350 now. I'd consider an equivalently specced mac laptop for £450, but more difference than that and money would talk.

For my main computer though I'd probably stick with Windows. If I was upgrading, I'd want something that could just about play the latest/greatest games and also I need the Microsoft stuff for work.

EXECUTIVE SUMMARY

Better OS, nicer to use, cleaner processes, needs a powerful machine to get full benefit. Would recommend and consider, even if more expensive.

Can't play games.

GinKop · « **Reply #266 on:** March 27, 2007, 05:18:46 pm »

Quote from: nidgemo 3.11 on March 27, 2007, 12:56:38 pm

2GB kit, £86

http://www.crucial.com/uk/store/listparts.aspx?model=MacBook+2%2E0GHz+Intel+Core+2+Duo+%2813%2Dinch+Black%29

so easy to fit, smiff could do it...

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=303721

Ta for that nidge - will make all of the necesarry calculations and see which is cheapest.

How many RAM slots does a macbook have? From that website, I am ideally looking for 1x1gb so it only takes up the one slot.

Further investigating I go. Thanks for the links.

WorldChampions · « **Reply #267 on:** March 27, 2007, 05:21:34 pm »

Macbook has two slots, peice of piss to change

Same with the hard drive

GinKop · « **Reply #268 on:** March 27, 2007, 05:26:09 pm »

Quote from: WorldChampions on March 27, 2007, 05:21:34 pm

Macbook has two slots, peice of piss to change

Same with the hard drive

So it's a 1x1gb piece of RAM I'm looking for. The refurb option looks likes it's going to be cheaper then going through the education store.

iSmiff · « **Reply #269 on:** March 28, 2007, 09:19:35 am »

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-SEALED-Apple-Macbook-white-17_W0QQitemZ330102092237QQcategoryZ141177QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

its not a scam, honest, just send that envelope full of cash to my address since our paypal account is sadly having some depositing issues

hehehe

nidgemo · « **Reply #270 on:** March 28, 2007, 09:22:47 am »

Quote from: Smiff on March 28, 2007, 09:19:35 am

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-SEALED-Apple-Macbook-white-17_W0QQitemZ330102092237QQcategoryZ141177QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

its not a scam, honest, just send that envelope full of cash to my address since our paypal account is sadly having some depositing issues

hehehe

unbelievable that people think they can get away with it, and more so that loads are seemingly bidding on it...

iSmiff · « **Reply #271 on:** March 28, 2007, 09:24:13 am »

i never buy anything of value without using paypal and making sure i'm covered up to £500

"send a wad of cash to me in the post"

you couldnt make that shit up

Mudface_ · « **Reply #272 on:** March 28, 2007, 09:24:34 am »

Methinks they doth protest too much. Still, it does come with a 'warrenty', even if it's only got a 13" screen rather than a 17" as advertised. This was the seller's last purchase, so maybe they got some good ideas...

bradigor · « **Reply #273 on:** March 28, 2007, 09:24:44 am »

Quote from: Smiff on March 28, 2007, 09:19:35 am

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-SEALED-Apple-Macbook-white-17_W0QQitemZ330102092237QQcategoryZ141177QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

its not a scam, honest, just send that envelope full of cash to my address since our paypal account is sadly having some depositing issues

hehehe

She is the one I asked can I come collect and pay cash in hand after I have looked.........She said no, but send her a personal cheque and I could return if not happy

Had a couple of days fun with that

iSmiff · « **Reply #274 on:** March 28, 2007, 09:31:50 am »

you should have sent her the bag of cash in the post, write SWAG on the side so she can keep her accounts in order

PaulF · « **Reply #275 on:** March 28, 2007, 09:32:50 am »

And a copy of the invoice to the taxman

anon-y-mouse · « **Reply #276 on:** March 28, 2007, 12:44:22 pm »

Gonna use an old ebay account and bid a million pounds.

nidgemo · « **Reply #277 on:** March 28, 2007, 12:51:19 pm »

Quote from: Huyton Phil on March 28, 2007, 12:44:22 pm

Gonna use an old ebay account and bid a million pounds.

Do you have that kind of cash lying around to send in the post, though

iSmiff · « **Reply #278 on:** March 28, 2007, 01:03:44 pm »

i ban all zero ratings c*nts from bidding on my stuff

just in case that ever happens

nidgemo · « **Reply #279 on:** March 28, 2007, 01:52:18 pm »

Quote from: Smiff on March 28, 2007, 01:03:44 pm

i ban all zero ratings c*nts from bidding on my stuff

just in case that ever happens

Me too. And anyone with an unpaid item strike.