Topic: Steve McManaman - Legend or big time charlie????????

[JackWard33]

he was an ok player who preferred to rest on his laurels rather than push on.

yeah that's right.... he defintiely didn't provide our only consistent attacking threat for several years and definitely didnt move to Madrid where he definitely wasnt the focal point of their european cup winning side.
we could do with an 'okay' player like him in our RM slot about now

[litmanen37]

i loved watching him as a player - even during the fowler glory years i still felt that mcmanaman was every bit as exciting and important to us at that time.

a few of my mates really fucking hate him though. now, im a bit less harsh on him because i loved him as a player, but the more i see of him on tv now, and the shite he spouts about being a blue (if he is then fine, but he should have a bit more respect for us than to mouth of about it so much) i also cringe when i see him talk on tele etc...

to be honest, when i see him on tele i tend to switch off so as not to taint what i thought of him as a player. see no evil hear no evil i guess!

[rossipersempre]

yeah that's right.... he defintiely didn't provide our only consistent attacking threat for several years and definitely didnt move to Madrid where he definitely wasnt the focal point of their european cup winning side.
we could do with an 'okay' player like him in our RM slot about now

Focal point? You're joking right. You're right sarcasm or not, he wasn't. What he was, was little more than a reliable part-time player at best. Admittedly he was rated highly by his teammates (Zidane once said he could not understand why he'd been frozen out of the England setup), but he almost always had to make way for Makalele. Still, nothing like a European Cup Final goal (a winner) and a handful of medals to alter that perception amongst some.

[litmanen37]

Still, nothing like a European Cup Final goal (a winner)

it wasnt the winning goal was it? i thought it was the 2nd goal in a 3-nil win v Valencia?

and he did get MOTM in that particular EC Final didnt he?

[Juan Loco]

Focal point? You're joking right. You're right sarcasm or not, he wasn't. What he was, was little more than a reliable part-time player at best. Admittedly he was rated highly by his teammates (Zidane once said he could not understand why he'd been frozen out of the England setup), but he almost always had to make way for Makalele. Still, nothing like a European Cup Final goal (a winner) and a handful of medals to alter that perception amongst some.

Didn't he score their winner away to Barcelona in the semi-final in '02 as well?

Maybe it's 'cos I was a child when he was playing for us, and simply too happy go lucky to focus on his faults (or remember them), but I loved him as a player. He could beat players for fun and we haven't had a similar player since. Would kill for him in the current side.

[SallyCinnamon]

i loved watching him as a player - even during the fowler glory years i still felt that mcmanaman was every bit as exciting and important to us at that time.

a few of my mates really fucking hate him though. now, im a bit less harsh on him because i loved him as a player, but the more i see of him on tv now, and the shite he spouts about being a blue (if he is then fine, but he should have a bit more respect for us than to mouth of about it so much) i also cringe when i see him talk on tele etc...

to be honest, when i see him on tele i tend to switch off so as not to taint what i thought of him as a player. see no evil hear no evil i guess!

I agree with you but i also realy fucking hate him  (big time charlie yup yup yup) just not as much as i hate Stan the fucking man but a whole lot more dislike than i have for Little Michael...


He will be back to slagging us off on Monday night (i'd bet my house on it)

[G1 Jockey 4(betfair)]

big time charlie.
never forget when he and another spice boy laid into berger (gerarrd v lucas style) during a game.

that then comfirmed something was not right at our club.

[Romford_Red]

Legend for me.

I try to judge players on their playing.
With the stereotype of below par IQ, I can't really understand why people are surprised that a footballer talks crap on telly.

Also I often wonder if ex-reds doing punditry are so concerned with not looking biased, that they over compensate.

[rossipersempre]

it wasnt the winning goal was it? i thought it was the 2nd goal in a 3-nil win v Valencia?

and he did get MOTM in that particular EC Final didnt he?

Don't remember but yes I think you're right wasn't the winner as such but certainly the killer blow.

[Kaka 22]

gerrard v lucas style? what one was that mate - bearing in mind he is the captain and it is his job to tell everyone where they are going wrong during the game and to sort it out

[G1 Jockey 4(betfair)]

the one when lucas played the ball to him and he missread it so turned round and blasted him.

[rossipersempre]

Didn't he score their winner away to Barcelona in the semi-final in '02 as well?

Maybe it's 'cos I was a child when he was playing for us, and simply too happy go lucky to focus on his faults (or remember them), but I loved him as a player. He could beat players for fun and we haven't had a similar player since. Would kill for him in the current side.

An exquisite lob I recall. He was a great RW, but like a lot of players we've had in that position, he could be infuriating when it came to end product. When he did offer it, it was usually to great effect, but my fading memory argues he wasn't as consistently brilliant as many like to think. Became a better player at Madrid IMO.

[G1 Jockey 4(betfair)]

if i rememeber rightly one of the spice boys had called for a pass from berger who ended up using the run to run into space.

the next bit was embarrasing (bit like gerarrds).
berger went off form for a while after the that....the wrong people had too much influence imo maybe just like now

[SallyCinnamon]

Legend for me.

I try to judge players on their playing.
With the stereotype of below par IQ, I can't really understand why people are surprised that a footballer talks crap on telly.

Also I often wonder if ex-reds doing punditry are so concerned with not looking biased, that they over compensate.

I can honestly say that for me it has nothing to do with his so called punditry.

[Kaka 22]

the one when lucas played the ball to him and he missread it so turned round and blasted him.

What the fuck - that is horrific, why wasn't he sold.

i'm glad he is frustrated his team mate didn't show the footballing brain to keep up with him.

[Stan.]

Footballers leave club's all the time, he was my favourite player as a young lad growing up in the 90's and I got over him leaving - some people clearly haven't - it's so bitter it's untrue. 

He's nothing to do with Liverpool anymore, so I rarely think about him unless I've got a few of the old videos out, and those who upset themselves at the opinions of any TV pundit, seriously need to get out more.

[fowlermagic]

Not sure I call him a legend as he played for us when we were starting to struggle but a very good player who would not look out of place in the 70s / 80s teams. In fact with better players around him I am sure his season average of 6 or so league goals in the last 3 or 4 years with us would have been double figures. Just one of those lads in the 90s who's legendary status never got cemented due to the barren years.

 

[RedinExile]

twat

[G1 Jockey 4(betfair)]

What the fuck - that is horrific, why wasn't he sold.

i'm glad he is frustrated his team mate didn't show the footballing brain to keep up with him.

no gerrard misread it

[LincsRedbob]

I was rather hoping we could discuss what he talked about rather than what he was/is in some fans eye's to be honest

[Kaka 22]

no gerrard misread it

Lucas can't read he is brazilian, get it right.

[G1 Jockey 4(betfair)]

now do you see why it was embarrasing

[G1 Jockey 4(betfair)]

you sure stevie can read?
just my impression

[SallyCinnamon]

I was rather hoping we could discuss what he talked about rather than what he was/is in some fans eye's to be honest

Clues in the title mate & i personaly don't give a fig what he has to say positive or negative it all just reads the same to me a bunch of mumbled words.

[Kaka 22]

I don't know, he does write his own awe inspiring books in his spairtime.

Stevie does it alot, its the one thing that pisses me off the most about him, if he doesn't get the ball or if someone miscontrols it he turns away in a dramatised turn and sulks, but i forgive him cos he is so good.

[litmanen37]

you sure stevie can read?
just my impression

who do you think is a better player, Gerrard or Lucas?

[blert596]

Fantastic player to watch when he decided he wanted to turn it on. Unfortunately, that was also the biggest part of his failure - always when he felt he could be arsed doing it. Although I think thats actually part of his make up, not any deliberate decision to not bother.

I can honestly say that I dont think I've ever seen a winger who could just seem to glide past people like he did when he was up for it. I've seen loads of cracking wingers over the years, but none who looked so effortless as him.

Your Robbens and Wright Phillip's - even Ronaldo today - rely on a burst of pace, a bit of trickery to beat a man. Macmanaman used to do it seemingly without changing pace or putting in tricks, he used to just sort of flow past defenders.

I think it was Peter Thompson who used to get called perpetual motion, but it certainly applied to Macca as well - if not more so.

As a pundit - I'm not really sure about him. He deffo favours the bluenoses and is quite proud of it nowadays. But he does talk a bit of sense now and then, and has quite often backed us up as a club. he's talked some shit about the protests etc, but at least he had the bollocks to say he fucked up about it.

Great player. Not sure about him as a person.

[G1 Jockey 4(betfair)]

who do you think is a better player, Gerrard or Lucas?

depends at what.

gerrard driving forward
lucas the holding role and counter attack football

[Jookie]

I can honestly say that for me it has nothing to do with his so called punditry.

Same sentiments here. Nothing to do with punditry why I dislike him.

Don't even think his Bosman transfer upsets me anymore. What upsets me, not only with McManaman but a fair proportion of the mid 90's squad, was that they wasted their talents. Along with United we had a bunch of very, very promising youngsters in the mid 90's. Arguably as talented as them. As United moved on and won trophy after trophy, we where to witness a squad of players waste their talents in front of our eyes. Players who basically wanted to use Liverpool Football Club as some sort of lads social club rather than as a privilege. Maybe unfairly I include MacManaman as part of this culture (Spice Boys if you wish) that prevailed at our football club for a significant part of the 90's.

Whether through mis-managemnt or plain bad attitude the mid 90's saw our star fall as United's rose. Something that is only recently coming close to parity. I'm convinced that we had enough talent to challenge United during this period. I'm sure in a paralell universe we did and are not narrowly hanging on to lead in title wons!

For them reasons I don't like McManaman (plus a lot of the others in the squad at the time) rather than punditry or Bosmans.

[LincsRedbob]

So much for putting in an old thread should have been a new one

Ahh that will teach me

The joy's of RAWK

[SallyCinnamon]

So much for putting in an old thread should have been a new one

Ahh that will teach me

The joy's of RAWK

[Nano]

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N162855090115-1301.htm

MACCA: WHY WE CAN WIN THE TITLE
Jimmy Rice 15 January 2009
   Steve McManaman believes Liverpool have an 'outstanding' chance of winning the league.
And the former Reds winger is keen to dismiss any suggestion that Steven Gerrard and co will start feeling the pressure as the season draws to a conclusion.
 
Macca, now a pundit for Setanta after 364 appearances for Liverpool, said: "Put it this way – I will be over the moon if Stevie and Carra have got their hands on that trophy in May and I honestly believe they have an outstanding chance of doing it.
 
"People go on about them being ready to collapse but I just don't see it. Over the last three months, they have looked incredibly strong and have played the best football out of the top three. All Chelsea seem to be doing is be chugging along.
 
"Prior to last weekend, Manchester United had been poor in a number of games and hadn't been scoring too many goals. Can you say the same about Liverpool? No. Never mind what happened against Stoke.
 
"They've got the best player in the country in Gerrard and the best centre-forward in the country in Fernando Torres. He has been missing and if he comes back firing on all cylinders, what's stopping them?
 
"Pressure? That's nonsense. There's no pressure for Stevie – he's played in two European Cup finals. Is there any pressure for the Spanish lads who played in the Euro 2008 final? The games they have got coming up are like getting out of bed in the morning."

[Jookie]

Same sentiments here. Nothing to do with punditry why I dislike him.

Don't even think his Bosman transfer upsets me anymore. What upsets me, not only with McManaman but a fair proportion of the mid 90's squad, was that they wasted their talents. Along with United we had a bunch of very, very promising youngsters in the mid 90's. Arguably as talented as them. As United moved on and won trophy after trophy, we where to witness a squad of players waste their talents in front of our eyes. Players who basically wanted to use Liverpool Football Club as some sort of lads social club rather than as a privilege. Maybe unfairly I include MacManaman as part of this culture (Spice Boys if you wish) that prevailed at our football club for a significant part of the 90's.

Whether through mis-managemnt or plain bad attitude the mid 90's saw our star fall as United's rose. Something that is only recently coming close to parity. I'm convinced that we had enough talent to challenge United during this period. I'm sure in a paralell universe we did and are not narrowly hanging on to lead in title wons!

For them reasons I don't like McManaman (plus a lot of the others in the squad at the time) rather than punditry or Bosmans.

Before anyone mentions it, just wanted to clarify that I don't blame McManaman for everything that went wrong. I know things weren't great under Souness. However, think I wanted to get the point across that we wasted a great oppurtunity in the 90's to re-assert our position of power in the league. The hurtful thing was that it didn't go right because of lack of talent or luck, more so a poor attitude by some of the players.

[bigbear]

MacManaman was the one in the side of the mid 90's who consistently put it in.

His attitude on the pitch and endeavour and bravery to show for the ball constantly always won my admiration. He wasn't always my favourite player but to criticise his endeavour isn't right.

I'll never forget the night ManU beat Juve away in 99. We got beat by Leicester at home and MacManaman was the only player in a red shirt worth a carrot. Playing with some utter shite he ran and ran and ran.

He may be perceived as a bit of a big-time Charlie but the club tried to sell him off first and let's be fair, at the time the choice was play with Zidane or Leonhardsen.

[steveeastend]

Was it really all because of Souness that the 90ies team didn´t succeed?

Who were the spice boys?

I am not from England, thanks!!

[STORMTROOPER]

god, some people have short memories.

without doubt a legend, a very under-rated one as well.

for 4-5 years mcmanaman was outstanding for us, a joy to watch, without doubt one of the best and most effective players in the country.

not that interested what he says as a pundit, these people are paid to be neutral.

if liverpool signed a peak mcmanaman in this transfer window, the league title would be in the bag.

[west_london_red]

Twat of a person for walking out on us the way he did, and was over-rated as a player. Yes, he'd fly past a couple of players like they werent even there, but then he'd screw up the 10 yard pass because he couldnt kick a ball properly.

Another ex-player who thought he ws bigger then the club.

[smicer07]

He was a brilliant player. Did what Babel should be doing.

[Bronx Red]

He was a brilliant player. Did what Babel should be doing.

Ohh the thoughts of it , if only Babel could turn out so good . I guess we can hope!!

[Huytonian]

Steve McManaman is an arrogant little man who causes Setanta to lose viewers whenever he is on screen.