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« Reply #80 on: July 22, 2008, 11:00:58 am »
Don't see any change myself, if you take on board new auditors and Hicks appointing his buddy to see the construction of the stadium. All i see is more debt, and us mugs payin for a carpet bagger to own us.

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« Reply #81 on: July 22, 2008, 11:17:25 am »
Ooohhhh I pray to god almighty that isn't the case I really do. Gillett will regret it for the rest of his days I promise you! Hicks has done nothing but lie to us all including the banks. I just hope they're not stupid enough to carry on doing business with him!

Are you willing to prove to the banks that Hicks has lied to them?  If you have the proof then that is the easy way to get him out of the club.

Don't say anything that you can't back up.  All it'll take is for one of those comments to get back to him and someone can find themselves in deep shit.
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« Reply #82 on: July 22, 2008, 11:23:23 am »
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Don't say anything that you can't back up.  All it'll take is for one of those comments to get back to him and someone can find themselves in deep shit.

Well, if he started threatening the fans (I assume you mean legally) it would be the biggest pr blunder he could commit. I actually don't think he's that stupid as pr is what he cares about most after money. Besides, where'd he stop?

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« Reply #83 on: July 22, 2008, 11:31:53 am »
Well, if he started threatening the fans (I assume you mean legally) it would be the biggest pr blunder he could commit. I actually don't think he's that stupid as pr is what he cares about most after money. Besides, where'd he stop?

When someone says that you are basically committing fraud then you tend not to give a shit who's saying it.

It wouldn't be a PR blunder if the fan in question has absolutely fuck all to back up their claim.  If people were free to say what they want without fear of reprisals then libel/slander laws would not exist, and a dirty tricks war against the owners would have started a long time ago.

It's not just the poster who will get in shit over it, it would be the site too.

When having a go at the owners keep to facts only.  Do not bring in any convoluted made up bullshit into it.  If anyone has proof the owners have lied to the banks (and thus committed fraud) then feel free to publish it on your own website.  That way if it is all fact then you can take the credit, but if you are infact bullshitting then you, and you alone, can take the fallout from it.
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« Reply #84 on: July 22, 2008, 01:21:09 pm »
I think this is one of the banks Hicks has secured loans from ( for LFC)

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Wachovia Corp (WB.N) on Tuesday posted an $8.86 billion second-quarter loss, slashed its dividend, and announced 6,350 job cuts after losses tied to mortgages soared.

Its shares fell $1.67, or 12.7 percent, to $11.51 in premarket trading.

The net loss attributable to common stockholders equaled $4.20 per share and compared with a profit of $2.34 billion, or $1.22, a year earlier.

Results included a $6.1 billion write-down of goodwill, and reflected a $4.2 billion increase in reserves for bad loans.

The Charlotte, North Carolina-based bank slashed its quarterly dividend 87 percent to 5 cents per share from 37.5 cents, and has now lowered it 92 percent this year.

Excluding items, the loss was $1.30 per share, compared with the average analyst estimate of $1.27, according to Reuters Estimates.

"These bottom-line results are disappointing and unacceptable," Chairman Lanty Smith said in a statement. "While to some degree they reflect industry headwinds and weaker macroeconomic conditions, they also reflect performance for which we at Wachovia accept responsibility."

Wachovia on July 9 had projected a $2.6 billion to $2.8 billion quarterly loss, equal to $1.23 to $1.33 per share, excluding goodwill items.

The same day, it named former Treasury Undersecretary Robert Steel as chief executive, replacing Ken Thompson, whom it ousted a month earlier.

Steel will try to bolster capital, cut risk and unload troubled assets following Wachovia's disastrous $24.2 billion purchase in Oct 2006 of Golden West Financial Corp, a specialist in option adjustable-rate mortgages.

Through Monday, Wachovia shares had plunged 65 percent this year, compared with a 30 percent drop in the KBW Bank Index (.BKX).


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« Reply #85 on: July 22, 2008, 01:25:27 pm »
I think this is one of the banks Hicks has secured loans from ( for LFC)

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Wachovia Corp (WB.N) on Tuesday posted an $8.86 billion second-quarter loss, slashed its dividend, and announced 6,350 job cuts after losses tied to mortgages soared.

Steel will try to bolster capital, cut risk and unload troubled assets following Wachovia's disastrous $24.2 billion purchase in Oct 2006 of Golden West Financial Corp, a specialist in option adjustable-rate mortgages.

Through Monday, Wachovia shares had plunged 65 percent this year, compared with a 30 percent drop in the KBW Bank Index (.BKX).



Let's hope Hicks falls into that category, and then RBS.
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« Reply #86 on: July 22, 2008, 01:33:28 pm »
Was thinking more along the lines of


Results included a $6.1 billion write-down of goodwill, and reflected a $4.2 billion increase in reserves for bad loans.


Also forgot about RBS being the other bank that helped them secure the funds

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« Reply #87 on: July 22, 2008, 02:17:41 pm »
The exposure Wachovia have is approx £78m.  Small fry compared to the other areas they will be more concerned about.  And £15m will not be drawndown for another couple of months.
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« Reply #88 on: July 22, 2008, 02:33:35 pm »
The exposure Wachovia have is approx £78m.  Small fry compared to the other areas they will be more concerned about.  And £15m will not be drawndown for another couple of months.

Ttnbd (in your opinion)  is there any way G&H can default on loan repayments ? and if they did would it be like defaulting on your mortgage were the bank takes control of the asset and then auctions off for the remainder of the debt ? I know this sounds simplistic however i am wondering if DIC's apparent silence/inactivity  is because they hold the opinion G&H are going to struggle anyway (i.e f**ked) and they would prefer to do business with the banks instead or can this scenario not happen ?

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« Reply #89 on: July 22, 2008, 03:50:55 pm »
there's always a chance that a person/company will default on loans.  I don't think it'll happen in this case due to the way the vast majority of the loans are fixed rate and the remaining bit is a rolling credit facility and thus gets cleared down from as cash comes in.  Add to that the areas of the club that have vastly underperformed rivals on income.

If a default were to occur on the purchase debt then the banks could take control of the club or any other assets of Hicks/Gillett.  What they could then do is one of two options.  They could sell assets that were not being used as collaterall for any other loans, or they could sell the club (if they took control of the club) as a going concern.  Given everyone knows there is a willing buyer out there this second option is the most likely as it would allow the banks to gain greatest value to cover the outstanding loans.

With the clubs debt then if the club defaulted (unlikely scenario) then assets could be sold.  But if the club were not able to cover it's own debt repayments then the chances of Hicks/Gillett using the clubs revenues to cover the purchase debt are zilch.  Again the most likely scenario is the club would be sold as a fully going concern.

People make big comparisons with Leeds United, however there is one big difference to consider.  They had to sell players because they had no one out there willing to buy them and assume the debt that had been amassed.  As I have said we have a buyer out there waiting.  Leeds also spent all of their money on players, LFC are putting huge amounts into a income generating unit.
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« Reply #90 on: July 22, 2008, 04:04:39 pm »
When someone says that you are basically committing fraud then you tend not to give a shit who's saying it.

It wouldn't be a PR blunder if the fan in question has absolutely fuck all to back up their claim.  If people were free to say what they want without fear of reprisals then libel/slander laws would not exist, and a dirty tricks war against the owners would have started a long time ago.

It's not just the poster who will get in shit over it, it would be the site too.

When having a go at the owners keep to facts only.  Do not bring in any convoluted made up bullshit into it.  If anyone has proof the owners have lied to the banks (and thus committed fraud) then feel free to publish it on your own website.  That way if it is all fact then you can take the credit, but if you are infact bullshitting then you, and you alone, can take the fallout from it.
Don't you think that's rather OTT? Libel/slander laws in this context might be used if someone who knows what they are talking about - e.g  another banker or finance expert -  were to impugne G&H. There's all but zero chance they are going to try and sue some fan on some forum for saying they lied.

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« Reply #91 on: July 22, 2008, 04:09:22 pm »

With the clubs debt then if the club defaulted (unlikely scenario) then assets could be sold.  But if the club were not able to cover it's own debt repayments then the chances of Hicks/Gillett using the clubs revenues to cover the purchase debt are zilch.  Again the most likely scenario is the club would be sold as a fully going concern.
But let's remember that the club's debt to external parties is currently a maximum of £105m. That would be covered by the sale of, at most, a few top players; Torres alone would fetch at least 40m? 50m? even in a firesale if he carries on in the vein he has.

That leaves rather a lot of assets still left that could be sold to cover KOP debts, once the 105m has been covered.

Having said that I agree there's virtually no likelihood of this happening. It's a theoretical debate.

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« Reply #92 on: July 22, 2008, 04:15:41 pm »
Don't you think that's rather OTT? Libel/slander laws in this context might be used if someone who knows what they are talking about - e.g  another banker or finance expert -  were to impugne G&H. There's all but zero chance they are going to try and sue some fan on some forum for saying they lied.


It's a remote possibility, but it isn't a comment that should be just thrown about.  It could not only get the individual poster in trouble but also the site.  The comment I was referring to intimates that Hicks/Gillett have committed fraud.  That is a serious allegation and could have the effect of either being laughed off (ignored), which means some fans will just continue to peddle it out as fact as it wasn't denied, or there will be some communication with the site atleast to get the comments removed at best.

Alot of people need to be very careful with the wording they choose.  They may have good intentions but all it takes is a couple of inappropriate words and it can easily cause serious problems.  It's not as if this is just a conversation between a couple of mates in a pub, this is a comment on a site that has over a 1,000 people online at the moment reading through the site.  You know how easily rumours on one website can suddenly turn into fact on 6 other websites.
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« Reply #93 on: July 22, 2008, 04:19:56 pm »
But let's remember that the club's debt to external parties is currently a maximum of £105m. That would be covered by the sale of, at most, a few top players; Torres alone would fetch at least 40m? 50m? even in a firesale if he carries on in the vein he has.

That leaves rather a lot of assets still left that could be sold to cover KOP debts, once the 105m has been covered.

Having said that I agree there's virtually no likelihood of this happening. It's a theoretical debate.

As I say, there is more value in selling a club as a whole than asset stripping.  By selling as whole, the next owners wouldn't have to start from scratch.

The only debt that will be secured against club assets is debt that the club itself has incurred (so debt at purchase, stadium and further working capital requirements).  The £185m purchase debt is secured against personal assets of Hicks/Gillett.
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« Reply #94 on: July 22, 2008, 04:39:28 pm »
When someone says that you are basically committing fraud then you tend not to give a shit who's saying it.

It wouldn't be a PR blunder if the fan in question has absolutely fuck all to back up their claim.  If people were free to say what they want without fear of reprisals then libel/slander laws would not exist, and a dirty tricks war against the owners would have started a long time ago.

It's not just the poster who will get in shit over it, it would be the site too.

When having a go at the owners keep to facts only.  Do not bring in any convoluted made up bullshit into it.  If anyone has proof the owners have lied to the banks (and thus committed fraud) then feel free to publish it on your own website.  That way if it is all fact then you can take the credit, but if you are infact bullshitting then you, and you alone, can take the fallout from it.
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« Reply #95 on: July 22, 2008, 04:41:19 pm »
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The £185m purchase debt is secured against personal assets of Hicks/Gillett.

Please can you explain this further? The banks demanded H/G put up securities against the purchase loan, and these are personal assets, right? But the interest on the debt is paid by Kop Holdings, whose only source of revenue is LFC??...

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« Reply #96 on: July 22, 2008, 06:35:58 pm »
As I say, there is more value in selling a club as a whole than asset stripping.  By selling as whole, the next owners wouldn't have to start from scratch.
Well yes, but like I said I was merely being theoretical. If in some mad deranged state G&H decided to assett strip LFC to the bone, say as revenge for some perceived slight, or to stop DIC getting their hands on a going concern,  they could do so couldn't they?.

According to you they would have to pay off the £105m first, fair enough I'll trust you on that. But after that 105m is done and dusted with they could carry on selling LFC assets, taking the money as owners and doing what they want with it, including paying off any KOP debts. What's to stop them?

Again I feel I have to state the caveat that I don't think this is ever going to happen; but it could theoretically happen could it not?

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The only debt that will be secured against club assets is debt that the club itself has incurred (so debt at purchase, stadium and further working capital requirements).  The £185m purchase debt is secured against personal assets of Hicks/Gillett.
But once again, KOP as owners of LFC have access to all LFC assets to do with what they please, do they not?. The only restriction seems to be that they would have to pay off LFC's 105m first before paying off their own (personally I don't know this to be a fact but you've said so and you know your stuff so I'll assume you are correct).

So this legendary, highly lauded 'securing the 245m on their own assets' that we are supposed to bow down and thank them for is really not that big a deal for them at all. All it does is slightly delays them getting their hands on the cash if they need it.

And you know, as we all do, that they'll never wait until their own assets are genuinely at risk. As soon as things seem to be heading in that direction they'll start mucking around with things - refinancing where they can - and generally making sure that the asset they own - LFC - will not cause them any harm but rather benefit them.

I know you sometimes balk at answering direct questions on this issue but put it this way: do you really believe that Gillett and Hicks will allow any genuine risk to their assets? Forget what they say, do you believe they'll allow it to happen?

Because if not then 'them securing the purchase debt on their assets' doesn't amount to a hill of beans really.

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« Reply #97 on: July 22, 2008, 10:10:57 pm »
Parry recently said at a meeting involving Staff at the Academy,that the issue of Ownership will be resolved by the end of August and we'll be able to compete with Chelsea and the Mancs,read into that what you will,if Parry told me tomorrow was  Tuesday i wouldn't believe him,but i kid you not,that's the GOSPEL TRUTH!!!!!
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In the lat 12 months we've had 1 takeover deadline after another come and go, ditto on the stadium. I for one refuse to take notice of anymore till we get an article on the OS.
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« Reply #98 on: July 22, 2008, 11:01:44 pm »
The Boy who cried wolf.

In the lat 12 months we've had 1 takeover deadline after another come and go, ditto on the stadium. I for one refuse to take notice of anymore till we get an article on the OS.

I can see where you're coming from.

But something is tentatively on the go again.

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« Reply #99 on: July 22, 2008, 11:04:12 pm »
Fingers fucking crossed again then, I suppose.

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« Reply #100 on: July 22, 2008, 11:05:24 pm »
I can see where you're coming from.

But something is tentatively on the go again.

until its on the BBC, CNN & Reuters in not believing a thing!
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« Reply #101 on: July 23, 2008, 12:02:46 am »
ctr, when you speak people listen.

hope this is the lead to finally good news. Please?
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« Reply #102 on: July 23, 2008, 12:34:00 am »
I can see where you're coming from.

But something is tentatively on the go again.
I know this is just tentative with no guarantee of anything but that post has made me smile a bit :)

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« Reply #103 on: July 23, 2008, 01:31:59 am »


But something is tentatively on the go again.

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« Reply #104 on: July 23, 2008, 05:46:07 am »
The only debt that will be secured against club assets is debt that the club itself has incurred (so debt at purchase, stadium and further working capital requirements).  The £185m purchase debt is secured against personal assets of Hicks/Gillett.

Firstly Tim, are you now saying that approx £170m is secured against club assets?
Secondly, how do you know that the £64m relates to the original purchase debt?

Just asking.

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« Reply #105 on: July 23, 2008, 09:27:54 am »

I'd say you're well and truly fucked Sean.

I doubt it Grizzly! OK, so in my anger and absolute distrust towards Hicks my choice of words weren't thought through and for that I hold my hands up. Historically it isn't something I've made a habit of. It has been well documented that Hicks has said he will go for glory and then not do anything at all. So I was trying to put that into context across all of his dealings. He says many things only to not deliver THAT much is true. If he lies to us as he has done on so many an occasion; who's to say he couldn't to those he borrows from (is what I meant)? As has been documented on this site he as well as Gillett; has been involved in companies that have gone bust. I'm no business analyst but surely the reason the went bust in the first place was because they failed in their commitment to their investors....banks included? i.e saying you'll do something and then not doing it......is that not technically a lie??
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« Reply #106 on: July 23, 2008, 09:38:55 am »
I can see where you're coming from.

But something is tentatively on the go again.

You referencing just what Gedo said mate? or you heard something also?

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« Reply #107 on: July 23, 2008, 09:44:08 am »
I can see where you're coming from.

But something is tentatively on the go again.

It has been on the go the whole time. One problem is that Dubai Holdings want a different stadium design so the deal could fell through if the deal isn't done before they start to build on the stadium itself. The work that is being done now wouldn't stop them changing it to a different design.

The above is from a very good source, not made up in my mind even that I'm a weird man sometimes. I will know more when I return from Japan and China in five weeks time because I will meet my source there who is doing some work for DIC in Beijing.
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« Reply #108 on: July 23, 2008, 10:38:27 am »
Firstly Tim, are you now saying that approx £170m is secured against club assets?
Secondly, how do you know that the £64m relates to the original purchase debt?

Just asking.


I'm saying upto £170m is secured against the clubs assets.  Approx £45m of it relates to a rolling credit facility that gets repaid as and when the cash arrives at the club.  Another £60m+ of it is for the stadium which will not have been drawndown in full yet.  By the end of the year it will have been drawndown as work commences on the stadium.

The second bit is in the clubs accounts.
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« Reply #109 on: July 23, 2008, 03:35:40 pm »
I'm saying upto £170m is secured against the clubs assets.  Approx £45m of it relates to a rolling credit facility that gets repaid as and when the cash arrives at the club.  Another £60m+ of it is for the stadium which will not have been drawndown in full yet.  By the end of the year it will have been drawndown as work commences on the stadium.

The second bit is in the clubs accounts.


Can I ask a coupel of things, just for my own curiosity?

1 - Interest - regardless of what the loans are secured against, is it the club that'll be paying the interest, regardless? (It's always the interest that's talked about - are the loans themseles ever paid back, or is it just continual refinancing until a sale, or somesuch?)

2 - Can/have they secure(d) all or some of the loan against Kop Holdings, the sole asset of which is Liverpool, thereby indirectly making Liverpool liable, or is that just daft?


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« Reply #110 on: July 23, 2008, 04:19:06 pm »
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« Reply #111 on: July 23, 2008, 09:45:12 pm »
Are you willing to prove to the banks that Hicks has lied to them?  If you have the proof then that is the easy way to get him out of the club.

Don't say anything that you can't back up.  All it'll take is for one of those comments to get back to him and someone can find themselves in deep shit.

do you really have any idea how libel laws work. the defence against libel is truth and certainly the first part of the
statement is true as for the second i would not know. I have seen hicks called every conceivable type of low life on
here and yet no libel writ was ever served. I would stick to accounting as you certainly have no idea about libelous issues or the horrendous costs. I think seantheprawn is quite safe unless you tell.

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« Reply #112 on: July 23, 2008, 10:04:13 pm »
do you really have any idea how libel laws work. the defence against libel is truth and certainly the first part of the
statement is true as for the second i would not know. I have seen hicks called every conceivable type of low life on
here and yet no libel writ was ever served. I would stick to accounting as you certainly have no idea about libelous issues or the horrendous costs. I think seantheprawn is quite safe unless you tell.

Calling someone a lowlife is not the same as saying someone has committed fraud.  You may want to try and understand the differences before commenting.  Someone on another site is has recently been served a writ for libel for just mentioning an email that had inflamitory remarks.
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Re: offer made?
« Reply #113 on: July 24, 2008, 12:25:08 am »
Well Seantheprawn, i think you have been a very naughty boy saying those nasty things about Mr Hicks.

The man is a saint, there is no way that he is a lying, fat, greasy, fucking Texas c*nt, who is a complete slimeball, who has conned his way into our great club, the sort of man that you would not even piss on if he was on fire, a carpetbagger who would sell his own mother if he thought there was a profit in it, the kind of man that everyone would love to meet in a dark alley just to punch his face in?

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Re: offer made?
« Reply #114 on: July 24, 2008, 01:05:38 am »

Can I ask a coupel of things, just for my own curiosity?

1 - Interest - regardless of what the loans are secured against, is it the club that'll be paying the interest, regardless? (It's always the interest that's talked about - are the loans themseles ever paid back, or is it just continual refinancing until a sale, or somesuch?)

2 - Can/have they secure(d) all or some of the loan against Kop Holdings, the sole asset of which is Liverpool, thereby indirectly making Liverpool liable, or is that just daft?



dont know about point 1, but on point 2 your more or less correct, but wording has to be correct. G&H are liable for the debts of Kop Holdings as they provided credit notes etc so technically your wrong and the pro-G&H lobby will say the club is only liable for the £105 million placed on the club for the working capital and stadium and did'nt lie when they said this wasnt a 'glazer' type takeover.

But in reality your correct. As you said, Kop Holidings only has one asset, which is the club, so Kop Holdings debt will probably be paid by the club unless G&H feel like putting their hands in their pockets. If things went pear shaped, its probably the club that would bear he brunt as G&H can sell assets belonging to the club to pay any shortfalls etc, or just sell the club.
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Re: offer made?
« Reply #115 on: July 24, 2008, 02:11:49 am »
They are not going anywhere Im afraid.

Stop building your hopes up.
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Re: offer made?
« Reply #116 on: July 24, 2008, 02:17:13 am »
Calling someone a lowlife is not the same as saying someone has committed fraud.  You may want to try and understand the differences before commenting.  Someone on another site is has recently been served a writ for libel for just mentioning an email that had inflamitory remarks.

Do tell. What was the writ for? Where can I read up on it?

Sean, you have nothing to worry about. And neither has this site. That's just silly.

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Re: offer made?
« Reply #117 on: July 24, 2008, 02:20:01 am »
Someone on another site is has recently been served a writ for libel for just mentioning an email that had inflamitory remarks.

From twit & twat?

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Re: offer made?
« Reply #118 on: July 24, 2008, 09:11:17 am »
It's a remote possibility, but it isn't a comment that should be just thrown about.  It could not only get the individual poster in trouble but also the site.  The comment I was referring to intimates that Hicks/Gillett have committed fraud.  That is a serious allegation and could have the effect of either being laughed off (ignored), which means some fans will just continue to peddle it out as fact as it wasn't denied, or there will be some communication with the site atleast to get the comments removed at best.

Alot of people need to be very careful with the wording they choose.  They may have good intentions but all it takes is a couple of inappropriate words and it can easily cause serious problems.  It's not as if this is just a conversation between a couple of mates in a pub, this is a comment on a site that has over a 1,000 people online at the moment reading through the site.  You know how easily rumours on one website can suddenly turn into fact on 6 other websites.


Tis true, and the libel laws in the UK at present are ridiculous.
You can sue and in many cases win libel suits that would get thrown out of court in many other countries.
There is even talk in America to pass a law so that a US citizen can not be taken before a UK court in these libel cases,

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Re: offer made?
« Reply #119 on: July 24, 2008, 09:14:28 am »

If things went pear shaped, its probably the club that would bear he brunt as G&H can sell assets belonging to the club to pay any shortfalls etc, or just sell the club.


NO THEY CAN NOT.  That is a fact.  The assets the club has on it's books are already used as collateral against the clubs debt.  You cannot use an asset to cover two different debts.  If the owners were to sell club assets then club debts MUST be paid off first.  No ifs ands or buts about it.  If Kop Football defaulted on it's debt then one of two things would happen, the owners would be asked for the cash or the club would be sold.  Club assets cannot be sold while there is a covenant over them.

And if they sold the club would you be that arsed anyway? that is what most people want isn't it?
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