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OJ faces life and death in prison - 13 years on
« on: October 5, 2008, 02:36:34 pm »
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OJ Simpson's 1995 trial for the brutal murder of his ex-wife and her friend captivated America and sparked racial tension. But since his dramatic acquittal he has lived a twilight existence and been pursued at every step by his ex-wife's father. Now, following his conviction for a bizarre robbery, he could spend the rest of his life behind bars

Paul Harris in New York
The Observer,
Sunday October 5 2008

It was a scene that many Americans had been waiting exactly 13 years to see. OJ Simpson, the former American football star widely believed to have got away with murder, was found guilty in a court of law, meaning he could spend the rest of his life behind bars.

On the exact anniversary of the day in 1995 in which Simpson was cleared of killing his ex-wife and another man, he was found guilty of robbery and kidnapping in a bizarre Las Vegas crime.

Standing in the courtroom in 'Sin City', Simpson winced briefly but visibly as Judge Jackie Glass denied him bail and ordered him sent to the cells to await his sentencing date. Dressed in a sharp, dark blue suit, he seemed to nod but remained calm. The same could not said of his sister, Carmelita Durio. She broke down in tears and collapsed to the floor of the court. Paramedics treated her as Simpson was led away.

It was a remarkable end to a strange trial that saw Simpson accused of robbing two sports memorabilia salesmen at gunpoint. They were hawking items from Simpson's own life and he claimed he was just getting his stuff back. That was not enough for the jury, who took 13 hours to reach their verdict, which was delivered in dramatic late-night scenes. 'The verdict was not a shock. We knew it going in. There was a lot of baggage,' said defence lawyer Yale Galanter, who is now planning an appeal.

The word 'baggage' hardly covers it. The shadow of the 1995 verdict, which cleared Simpson of slashing to death Nicole Brown and her friend Ron Goldman, loomed over the trial. Indeed it has cast a dark pall over America for more than a decade. News programmes called it the Trial of the Century and it gave birth to a modern culture of celebrity crime, helped spawn the 24-hour news cycle and, some say, turned justice into show business. It also deeply divided America on racial grounds. A mostly black jury cleared Simpson amid accusations of police racism. Yet at the time many Americans, especially whites, believed Simpson was clearly guilty.

In time, many black Americans came to join them, especially after Simpson wrote a book last year called If I Did It, in which he detailed a gruesome 'theoretical' version of the events of the night of the murder. In the book, Simpson describes going to Brown's house, carrying a knife, arguing with her and then being shocked when Goldman appears. He then blacks out and comes to again only to find the two bloodied bodies.

Not surprisingly, that left many Americans with a sense of justice denied. But perhaps not now. For those who believe Simpson has spent years walking free despite being guilty of a double killing, the sight of Simpson trudging off to a Nevada jail will have been a long-awaited prize. Justice may have been delayed, but it was not denied.

The events that led to Simpson's final downfall began in the distinctly ordinary surroundings of Room 1203 of the Palace Station Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas on 13 September 2007. Two men, Bruce Fromong and Al Beardsley, had set up shop in the room, spreading out their memorabilia from Simpson's distinguished sports career.

The men had been told by a friend, Thomas Riccio, that he would bring a buyer to meet them. But instead Riccio brought Simpson and a gang of other men. At least one them was armed with a gun. They burst into the room, angrily shouting a stream of obscenities. The two salesmen were pushed against a wall and Simpson and his gang gathered up their goods in pillowcases and then marched out of the casino. The two shaken men called the police and gave them the extraordinary news that they had just been robbed by OJ Simpson.

Simpson was arrested a few days later. It seemed an open and shut case. Even in Las Vegas you cannot rob people at gunpoint and then expect to simply walk away. Yet things, as they always seem to have done around Simpson, took a strange twist. A recording of the robbery turned up on celebrity websites. It sounded like a scene from the violent gangster movie Reservoir Dogs as Simpson screamed abuse. It turned out that Riccio, who had encouraged Fromong and Beardsley into Room 1203, had also bugged the room. It was also Riccio who then told Simpson about the men. He then sold the resulting audio tapes, on which Simpson can be clearly heard, for thousands of dollars to a celebrity website.

That fact had many people - not just Simpson's dwindling band of supporters - suspecting that there might have been some sort of set-up. But not the police. Nevada authorities, once they had Simpson in their sights, did not let go. Riccio was not charged with any crime. Then, one by one, the men whom Simpson had led to Room 1203, began to turn against him. All four of Simpson's former co-defendants were 'flipped' by police.

All testified against him and two of them linked him to making threats and, crucially, the use of a gun in the crime. Simpson had denied knowing anyone had brought a weapon to the room. But prosecutors said that was nonsense and Simpson's co-defendants became the prosecution's star witnesses. 'For Mr. Simpson to claim to people that he did not see any gun is flat-out nonsense. These defendants talked about guns. Mr Simpson asked them to bring guns, and they saw guns in the room,' said prosecutor David Roger.

In the end, the jury agreed. They took a long time to reach their verdict but they did eventually reach it. The crime might have been shady and bizarre, but it was still a crime. The 61-year-old Simpson, who has spent his recent years golfing and partying in Florida, could now get a life sentence. That would see him die behind bars. One of Simpson's friends, Tom Scotto, held a press conference after the verdict. Clearly angry, he told a throng of reporters that Simpson was the victim of a terrible miscarriage of justice. He had been set up. 'What kind of justice is this? This is not justice!' Scotto claimed.

It is doubtful that many Americans will have much sympathy. That was similar to the cry of injustice that went out from many people in 1995 when Simpson walked free from accusations that he had brutally slaughtered Brown and Goldman. The crime itself was shocking. The two victims were found outside Brown's home and Simpson was arrested after a long and infamous car chase across Los Angeles.

In his white Ford Bronco Simpson had led a cavalcade of police and reporters along the city's motorways. Covered live on television the route had become lined with gawkers and supporters. It had been the perfect nexus of a live news event, the public and the media. Many commentators believe that car chase and the case that followed it gave dubious birth to a new celebrity-drenched age of media.

Certainly it is not hard to see why it held such a fascination for America. Though largely unknown to the outside world, Simpson was a legend in America. He had overcome an impoverished and sickly childhood to become one of America's sporting heroes. His prowess on the field was legendary. Then he began a successful career in Hollywood, often playing a loveable good guy.

His marriage to Brown - across America's still deep racial divide - seemed a fairytale. Here was the great black athletic hero with the stunning blonde bombshell wife. If it had not been real life, it would have been the perfect Tinseltown movie script. Except that this story had a vicious twist.

Their marriage was far from perfect. When things soured, Simpson emerged as a violent man with a dangerous temper. He was jealous of any hint that Brown might have a new boyfriend. Even if he had not led the cops on a merry chase in his Bronco, Simpson was already a suspect. Covered exhaustively in the media, the trial rapidly degenerated into a racially tinged showcase. Simpson's legal 'dream team', led by the flamboyant Johnnie Cochran, unashamedly played the race card. Their case was greatly helped when one of the cops in the case, Mark Fuhrman, was recorded talking repeatedly about 'niggers'. In the end, to the shock of many white Americans, and the delight of many black Americans, Simpson was found not guilty.

But he did not escape entirely. The past 13 years of Simpson's life have been a twilight existence. He emerged back into the world apparently believing he could restart his career as a celebrity. He could not. He was ruthlessly pursued by Goldman's father, Fred Goldman, in the courts. He brought a civil suit against Simpson for the deaths.

In civil cases the burden of proof is less stringent and Simpson was held liable for the deaths and hit for $33m. That bankrupted him for life. Instead of a mega-star existence, he fled to Florida where he led a distinctly easy, but middle-class suburban existence, sustained by his pensions. Every attempt to come back into the public eye seemed horribly misguided. He tried to create a reality TV show that mocked elements of the murder trial. He wrote his bizarre pseudo-confessional book, then saw a wave of outrage cancel it.

He seemed to live in a different world, where people still asked him for autographs and swarmed around him at night clubs. But it was because of the murders, not because of his football career or acting. Perhaps oblivious to the fact, perhaps not, Simpson became one of the most reviled men in America.

For Goldman, the trial in Las Vegas provided some tiny relief for the loss of his son. 'He's not going to get the punishment for Ron's murder that he deserved, but at least he should be in jail for as long as they can put him there,' he said last week.

So now the Simpson story could finally be over. Though he plans an appeal, it seems almost certain that Simpson will finally be heading for a lengthy stint in jail. Maybe it will be for the rest of his life. But he leaves an America that he changed completely. The original Simpson trial created a public obsession with criminal justice, especially as it related to celebrities. It led to a public clamour around all the other celebrity trials - such as those of Michael Jackson and Phil Spector and the post-mortem of Anna Nicole Smith - and seemed to create a generation of lawyers and judges who understood that a high-profile case could lead to a new career in entertainment. It also broke down the barriers between news and the public. They watched the car chase live on TV and followed the court case as it was broadcast direct from the courtroom. Then they could go and meet the suspect himself if they hung out in the sports bars of suburban Miami.

But not any longer. Simpson is now in jail and for many Americans the strange incident in Room 1203 was irrelevant. They will see Simpson, at long last, serving time for murder.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oct/05/oj.simpson

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Re: OJ faces life and death in prison - 13 years on
« Reply #1 on: October 5, 2008, 02:52:12 pm »
This is the ultimate in arrogance



But then committing an armed robbery, well that's just a fucking dick head ;D
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Re: OJ faces life and death in prison - 13 years on
« Reply #2 on: October 5, 2008, 02:54:09 pm »
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Re: OJ faces life and death in prison - 13 years on
« Reply #3 on: October 5, 2008, 05:24:13 pm »
he should go to jail for being so fucking dumb to:
1) think he can get away with it and
2) to actually do it, especially with his profile

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Re: OJ faces life and death in prison - 13 years on
« Reply #4 on: October 5, 2008, 05:26:43 pm »
Yeah but did he really do it?

There was an all white jury you know.....
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Re: OJ faces life and death in prison - 13 years on
« Reply #5 on: October 5, 2008, 05:28:47 pm »
Cry Me a River!

Hope this murdering bastard never sees freedom again.

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Re: OJ faces life and death in prison - 13 years on
« Reply #6 on: October 5, 2008, 05:28:52 pm »
Didn't write a book basically saying that "If I did it, here's how I would have done it? Hypothetical, of course!"

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Re: OJ faces life and death in prison - 13 years on
« Reply #7 on: October 5, 2008, 05:32:31 pm »
Can't believe he had the nerve to come up with that idea for a book. 

Hopefully, justice will prevail at last.
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Re: OJ faces life and death in prison - 13 years on
« Reply #8 on: October 5, 2008, 05:34:27 pm »
I'm amazed that all you guys in this thread who obviously witnessed him do the original crime never made witness statements to that effect.
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« Reply #9 on: October 5, 2008, 05:34:40 pm »
He is the ultimate thick athlete.
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Re: OJ faces life and death in prison - 13 years on
« Reply #10 on: October 5, 2008, 05:34:40 pm »
LOL

Stupid bastard.


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Re: OJ faces life and death in prison - 13 years on
« Reply #11 on: October 5, 2008, 05:43:04 pm »
he was framed..........again.
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Re: OJ faces life and death in prison - 13 years on
« Reply #12 on: October 5, 2008, 06:05:24 pm »
I'm amazed that all you guys in this thread who obviously witnessed him do the original crime never made witness statements to that effect.

When a guy turns what is a boast of getting away with a murder into the basis for a best-selling book, something's not quite right.
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Re: OJ faces life and death in prison - 13 years on
« Reply #13 on: October 5, 2008, 06:39:51 pm »
He's been doing such a bang up job searching for the real killer though. 


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Re: OJ faces life and death in prison - 13 years on
« Reply #14 on: October 5, 2008, 07:26:26 pm »
I'm amazed that all you guys in this thread who obviously witnessed him do the original crime never made witness statements to that effect.

I couldn't give a shit whether he did it or not, writing a book saying If I did It with the 'if' almost invisible is quite funny but after all the publicity he's had to then go do an armed robbery, well :lmao
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« Reply #15 on: October 5, 2008, 07:41:32 pm »
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« Reply #16 on: October 5, 2008, 07:50:29 pm »
I'm amazed that all you guys in this thread who obviously witnessed him do the original crime never made witness statements to that effect.

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Re: OJ faces life and death in prison - 13 years on
« Reply #17 on: October 5, 2008, 07:53:09 pm »
I'm amazed that all you guys in this thread who obviously witnessed him do the original crime never made witness statements to that effect.

If you were wrongly accused of murdering two people, one of whom was your ex-wife and the mother of your two (?) children, the last thing I think you would do is write a book saying IF you were the killer, this is how you would've done it (which am assuming the book is generally about).  Hypothetical scenario or not, that's bang out of line!  Plus wouldn't you want to improve upon your 'innocent' image? It's sickening how he tried to profit from all of this.
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Re: OJ faces life and death in prison - 13 years on
« Reply #18 on: October 5, 2008, 07:56:44 pm »
It's sickening how he tried to profit from all of this.

Agreed but what's more sickening? the fact he wrote the book or the fact it became a New York Times Best Seller?
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Re: OJ faces life and death in prison - 13 years on
« Reply #19 on: October 5, 2008, 08:48:38 pm »
Agreed but what's more sickening? the fact he wrote the book or the fact it became a New York Times Best Seller?

aren't the rights to that book owned by his ex-wife's parents?

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« Reply #20 on: October 5, 2008, 11:23:13 pm »
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Re: OJ faces life and death in prison - 13 years on
« Reply #21 on: October 5, 2008, 11:24:15 pm »
He didn't do it.

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Re: OJ faces life and death in prison - 13 years on
« Reply #22 on: October 6, 2008, 10:58:35 am »
Can't help that this is just desserts, 13 years later.

From what I hear, the evidence in this case, was weaker than in the murder trial, and yet the reverse has happened.
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Re: OJ faces life and death in prison - 13 years on
« Reply #23 on: October 6, 2008, 05:56:16 pm »
Can't help that this is just desserts, 13 years later.

From what I hear, the evidence in this case, was weaker than in the murder trial, and yet the reverse has happened.

Weaker? really? The man was caught on CCTV
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Re: OJ faces life and death in prison - 13 years on
« Reply #25 on: October 6, 2008, 07:32:12 pm »
The day he was found innocent is one of the best moments ever, some black people finally beat the police. Besides, rich white people have been buying freedom for years. People were only arsed because it was a black man doing it. That's what it came down to at the end of the day. And by the evidence presented in the case and that the LAPD were proven to be corrupt and framing him he was rightly found innocent in that trial. That's the whole point of a fair trial, the prosecutor needs to actually prove the person did it and they failed in spectacular fashion.

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Re: OJ faces life and death in prison - 13 years on
« Reply #26 on: October 6, 2008, 08:29:35 pm »
I'm amazed that all you guys in this thread who obviously witnessed him do the original crime never made witness statements to that effect.

The mountains of physical evidence in the first trial were so high that the only way for him not to be guilty would involve a conspiracy of hundreds of white people who set up a devious plot to kill two white people and then plant OJ's DNA all over the place in an effort to "get the black man".  And since then not a single of the hundreds of people has come forward.

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Re: OJ faces life and death in prison - 13 years on
« Reply #27 on: October 6, 2008, 08:45:21 pm »
People were only arsed because it was a black man doing it.

Bollocks! you telling me that if *insert name of white actor/sportsman here* would have been in exactly the same situation that there wouldn't have been as much outrage or publicity? It's the celebrity part that's the bit that sticks in peoples throats.
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Re: OJ faces life and death in prison - 13 years on
« Reply #28 on: October 6, 2008, 09:23:48 pm »
As they say what goes around comes around.
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Re: OJ faces life and death in prison - 13 years on
« Reply #29 on: October 7, 2008, 01:17:54 am »
Bollocks! you telling me that if *insert name of white actor/sportsman here* would have been in exactly the same situation that there wouldn't have been as much outrage or publicity? It's the celebrity part that's the bit that sticks in peoples throats.

Not to the same level, no. He was a black man that white americans had come to accept and love, because he had pandered to them for years. Then he appeared to stab them in the back. That was why when this whole thing happened, it enraged them so much. Everything in the world always comes back to race at the end of it all, as the racist police officer who planted the gloves (i forget his name) proved. Phil Spector has run around for years shooting and kicking women, and men to death and in general nobody gives a shite.

And not to be a pedant, but please quote the rest of my post instead of isolating that line to one sentence, where it is then taken out of context. I've noticed people do that alot on this forum. I'm not sticking up for him over the murder, i don't care if he went to prison. I'm not an OJ fan at all. what I was happy about is the fact Cochran beat the LAPD and scored a victory for black people.
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Re: OJ faces life and death in prison - 13 years on
« Reply #30 on: October 7, 2008, 01:28:03 am »
Not to the same level, no. He was a black man that white americans had come to accept and love, because he had pandered to them for years. Then he appeared to stab them in the back. That was why when this whole thing happened, it enraged them so much. Everything in the world always comes back to race at the end of it all, as the racist police officer who planted the gloves (i forget his name) proved. Phil Spector has run around for years shooting and kicking women to death and in general nobody gives a shite.
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Re: OJ faces life and death in prison - 13 years on
« Reply #31 on: October 7, 2008, 01:28:30 am »
The day he was found innocent is one of the best moments ever, some black people finally beat the police. Besides, rich white people have been buying freedom for years. People were only arsed because it was a black man doing it. That's what it came down to at the end of the day. And by the evidence presented in the case and that the LAPD were proven to be corrupt and framing him he was rightly found innocent in that trial. That's the whole point of a fair trial, the prosecutor needs to actually prove the person did it and they failed in spectacular fashion.

As Chris Rock said once, we won! Wheres my OJ Prize?

OJ done it, white,black, multi coloured, hes a murderer and karma has caught up with him. If he wasnt famous he wouldnt even be OJ!
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Re: OJ faces life and death in prison - 13 years on
« Reply #32 on: October 7, 2008, 01:29:01 am »
His name is Mark Furman and he didn't plant any glove. Simpson butchered two people to death, one of whom was the mother of two of his children. He was found not guilty in a court of law.

He planted the glove.

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Re: OJ faces life and death in prison - 13 years on
« Reply #33 on: October 7, 2008, 01:34:40 am »
Those two children went back to live with OJ after the trial btw. So they obviously were ok with the verdict.

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Re: OJ faces life and death in prison - 13 years on
« Reply #34 on: October 7, 2008, 01:48:46 am »
As Chris Rock said once, we won! Wheres my OJ Prize?

OJ done it, white,black, multi coloured, hes a murderer and karma has caught up with him. If he wasnt famous he wouldnt even be OJ!

Karma is a ridiculous idea from a stupid religion (aren't they all! but that one is an especially stupid religion). OJ will in all likelyhood get sent down to even it up, but it won't have anything to do with Karma.

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Re: OJ faces life and death in prison - 13 years on
« Reply #35 on: October 7, 2008, 02:28:53 am »
I never would have thought him capable of hurting anyone. It shows you can never judge a book by its cover I suppose. I mean that fly-on-the-wall documentary he did at the time he was working for the police he really seemed like such a fun affable sort of fella. He changed.
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Re: OJ faces life and death in prison - 13 years on
« Reply #36 on: October 7, 2008, 02:48:22 am »
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Re: OJ faces life and death in prison - 13 years on
« Reply #37 on: October 7, 2008, 05:23:58 am »
Not to the same level, no. He was a black man that white americans had come to accept and love, because he had pandered to them for years. Then he appeared to stab them in the back. That was why when this whole thing happened, it enraged them so much. Everything in the world always comes back to race at the end of it all, as the racist police officer who planted the gloves (i forget his name) proved. Phil Spector has run around for years shooting and kicking women, and men to death and in general nobody gives a shite.

And not to be a pedant, but please quote the rest of my post instead of isolating that line to one sentence, where it is then taken out of context. I've noticed people do that alot on this forum. I'm not sticking up for him over the murder, i don't care if he went to prison. I'm not an OJ fan at all. what I was happy about is the fact Cochran beat the LAPD and scored a victory for black people.

What kind of victory would that be, exactly? It's not as if OJ dedicated the remainder of his life towards helping the black community, instead he goes and commits more crimes.
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Re: OJ faces life and death in prison - 13 years on
« Reply #38 on: October 7, 2008, 07:05:20 am »
Not to the same level, no. He was a black man that white americans had come to accept and love, because he had pandered to them for years. Then he appeared to stab them in the back. That was why when this whole thing happened, it enraged them so much. Everything in the world always comes back to race at the end of it all, as the racist police officer who planted the gloves (i forget his name) proved. Phil Spector has run around for years shooting and kicking women, and men to death and in general nobody gives a shite.

And not to be a pedant, but please quote the rest of my post instead of isolating that line to one sentence, where it is then taken out of context. I've noticed people do that alot on this forum. I'm not sticking up for him over the murder, i don't care if he went to prison. I'm not an OJ fan at all. what I was happy about is the fact Cochran beat the LAPD and scored a victory for black people.

If a "victory for black people" is a black guy stabbing two white people to death and getting away with it then I feel bad for black people.

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Re: OJ faces life and death in prison - 13 years on
« Reply #39 on: October 7, 2008, 11:39:40 am »
If a "victory for black people" is a black guy stabbing two white people to death and getting away with it then I feel bad for black people.

It's not often that I agree with American Pool Fan, but I share his sentiments with regards to this issue. Any semblance of a moral victory would have been cancelled out by the ill-will towards the black community from people who felt that OJ cheated justice.
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