Author Topic: The PL run-in (Read 984578 times)

jackh · « **Reply #4760 on:** May 8, 2021, 02:22:26 pm »

Quote from: jackh on May 7, 2021, 09:53:05 pm

Updated:

3rd Leicester 35 +20 63
4th Chelsea 34 +22 61
5th West Ham 34 +11 58
6th Spurs 34 +22 56
7th Liverpool 33 +16 54
8th Everton 33 +3 52

Weekend:
Leicester 2-4 Newcastle
Leeds vs Spurs
City vs Chelsea
Liverpool vs Southampton
West Ham vs Everton

Updated:

3rd	Leicester	35	+20	63
4th	Chelsea	34	+22	61
5th	West Ham	34	+11	58
6th	Spurs	35	+20	56
7th	Liverpool	33	+16	54
8th	Everton	33	+3	52

Weekend:
Leicester 2-4 Newcastle
Leeds 3-1 Spurs
City vs Chelsea
Liverpool vs Southampton
West Ham vs Everton

PeterTheRed ... · « **Reply #4761 on:** May 8, 2021, 02:44:48 pm »

So far, so good ...

Man Utd (67)

Aston Villa (a)
Leicester (h)
LFC (h)
Fulham (h)
Wolves (a)

Leicester (63)

Man Utd (a)
Chelsea (a)
Tottenham (h)

Chelsea (61)

Man City (a)
Arsenal (h)
Leicester (h)
Aston Villa (a)

West Ham (58)

Everton (h)
Brighton (a)
WBA (a)
Southampton (h)

Tottenham (56)

Wolves (h)
Aston Villa (h)
Leicester (a)

LFC (54)

Southampton (h)
Man Utd (a)
WBA (a)
Burnley (a)
Crystal Palace (h)

Everton (52)

West Ham (a)
Aston Villa (a)
Sheffield Utd (h)
Wolves (h)
Man City (a)

Leeds (50)

Burnley (a)
Southampton (a)
WBA (h)

Arsenal (49)

WBA (h)
Chelsea (a)
Crystal Palace (a)
Brighton (h)

Aston Villa (48)

Man Utd (h)
Everton (h)
Crystal Palace (a)
Tottenham (a)
Chelsea (h)

Now, lets hope that Man City beat Chelsea ...

kennedy81 · « **Reply #4762 on:** May 8, 2021, 02:51:51 pm »

I think we can rule spurs out at this stage.

67 points (4 wins and a draw) might well be enough for us.
For that to happen, Leicester would need to lose 2 or draw 2 and lose 1.
West Ham would need to lose 1 or draw 2 of their last 4.

it's not unthinkable.

CraigDS · « **Reply #4763 on:** May 8, 2021, 03:20:47 pm »

Win them all and we've got a good chance imo.

But we need to win them all, so...!

jackh · « **Reply #4764 on:** May 8, 2021, 03:25:15 pm »

Quote from: kennedy81 on May 8, 2021, 02:51:51 pm

I think we can rule spurs out at this stage.

67 points (4 wins and a draw) might well be enough for us.
For that to happen, Leicester would need to lose 2 or draw 2 and lose 1.
West Ham would need to lose 1 or draw 2 of their last 4.

it's not unthinkable.

Looking at the fixtures though, it's not entirely inconceivable that Leicester vs Spurs on the final day could be a shootout for...a...position.

Both have three matches left, and they're separated by 7 points having both already played this weekend. Leicester losing their next two (away to United and Chelsea) whilst Spurs win theirs (home to Wolves and Villa) would close the gap to just a point going into the final day.

Obviously Chelsea, West Ham, and ourselves are all significant factors alongside that.

kennedy81 · « **Reply #4765 on:** May 8, 2021, 03:30:06 pm »

Quote from: jackh on May 8, 2021, 03:25:15 pm

Looking at the fixtures though, it's not entirely inconceivable that Leicester vs Spurs on the final day could be a shootout for...a...position.

Both have three matches left, and they're separated by 7 points having both already played this weekend. Leicester losing their next two (away to United and Chelsea) whilst Spurs win theirs (home to Wolves and Villa) would close the gap to just a point going into the final day.

Obviously Chelsea, West Ham, and ourselves are all significant factors alongside that.

It's possible we could have 5 teams finish on 67 points.

andyrol · « **Reply #4766 on:** May 8, 2021, 03:36:58 pm »

Can Harvey Elliott play after today? Season now over for Blackburn.

Phineus · « **Reply #4767 on:** May 8, 2021, 03:38:01 pm »

Not even going to try and predict any results in other games in this of all seasons ... loads more twists and turns I would imagine.

Confident Chelsea will get top4... rest of us will likely fall over ourselves. A lot hinges on Leicester game Tuesday night.

PaulF · « **Reply #4768 on:** May 8, 2021, 06:00:35 pm »

Why would United want second? Was mentioned a few times they'd want to seal it. But I don't see why it matters.

Fromola · « **Reply #4769 on:** May 8, 2021, 06:05:15 pm »

Quote from: PaulF on May 8, 2021, 06:00:35 pm

Why would United want second? Was mentioned a few times they'd want to seal it. But I don't see why it matters.

The only thing United will care about in the rest of their games is beating us. Whether they finish 2nd or 3rd makes no odds.

killer-heels · « **Reply #4770 on:** May 8, 2021, 06:05:57 pm »

Quote from: PaulF on May 8, 2021, 06:00:35 pm

Why would United want second? Was mentioned a few times they'd want to seal it. But I don't see why it matters.

It doesn't.

67CherryRed · « **Reply #4771 on:** May 8, 2021, 06:26:24 pm »

Quote from: Fromola on May 8, 2021, 06:05:15 pm

The only thing United will care about in the rest of their games is beating us. Whether they finish 2nd or 3rd makes no odds.

Makes loads of odds. Not only in terms of PL prize money, but the team finishing 2nd gets a bigger share of CL TV money next season than those finishing 3rd.

PhiLFC#1 · « **Reply #4772 on:** May 8, 2021, 06:44:18 pm »

As long as we win 4/5 remaining games we'll get top 4. Chelsea and Leicester aren't going to win out their matches, especially with cup final distractions.

Zoomers · « **Reply #4773 on:** May 8, 2021, 06:45:30 pm »

Story of the season is that no matter what happens in other games, we always seem to fuck it up somehow. Five games remaining, it's likely that the same shit will happen but here's hoping.

Number 7 · « **Reply #4774 on:** May 8, 2021, 07:23:35 pm »

Chelsea win with basically the last kick of the game.

Pretty much for us now.

kennedy81 · « **Reply #4775 on:** May 8, 2021, 07:36:10 pm »

At least it rules out the nightmare scenario of us getting 4th ahead of chelsea and them winning the CL.

Islander · « **Reply #4776 on:** May 8, 2021, 07:45:07 pm »

Quote from: kennedy81 on May 8, 2021, 07:36:10 pm

At least it rules out the nightmare scenario of us getting 4th ahead of chelsea and them winning the CL.

Doesn't matter - there can be 5 English teams in the Champion's League

farawayred · « **Reply #4777 on:** May 8, 2021, 07:46:26 pm »

Quote from: kennedy81 on May 8, 2021, 07:36:10 pm

At least it rules out the nightmare scenario of us getting 4th ahead of chelsea and them winning the CL.

Nowt wrong with that scenario, we'd still play in the CL.

andy07 · « **Reply #4778 on:** May 8, 2021, 07:54:39 pm »

Lets just knuckle down and win at Anfield tonight.

jackh · « **Reply #4779 on:** May 8, 2021, 10:07:26 pm »

Quote from: jackh on May 8, 2021, 02:22:26 pm

Updated:

3rd Leicester 35 +20 63
4th Chelsea 34 +22 61
5th West Ham 34 +11 58
6th Spurs 35 +20 56
7th Liverpool 33 +16 54
8th Everton 33 +3 52

Weekend:
Leicester 2-4 Newcastle
Leeds 3-1 Spurs
City vs Chelsea
Liverpool vs Southampton
West Ham vs Everton

Updated:

3rd	Chelsea	35	+23	64
4th	Leicester	35	+20	63
5th	West Ham	34	+11	58
6th	Liverpool	34	+18	57
7th	Spurs	35	+20	56
8th	Everton	33	+3	52

Weekend:
Leicester 2-4 Newcastle
Leeds 3-1 Spurs
City 1-2 Chelsea
Liverpool 2-0 Southampton
West Ham vs Everton

Studgotelli · « **Reply #4780 on:** May 8, 2021, 10:09:17 pm »

4 wins needed no excuses

kennedy81 · « **Reply #4781 on:** May 8, 2021, 10:12:20 pm »

Quote from: Islander on May 8, 2021, 07:45:07 pm

Doesn't matter - there can be 5 English teams in the Champion's League

did they not change that?

Simplexity · « **Reply #4782 on:** May 8, 2021, 10:12:22 pm »

If only we had won that Newcastle game. I think it will be a bridge too far this, but it sure would be great if we could pull it off.

andy07 · « **Reply #4783 on:** May 8, 2021, 10:16:16 pm »

Quote from: Simplexity on May 8, 2021, 10:12:22 pm

If only we had won that Newcastle game. I think it will be a bridge too far this, but it sure would be great if we could pull it off.

We got one point more than Leicester did against Newcastle and that could be crucial. All we can do is play to win all four remaing games and see what happens.

kennedy81 · « **Reply #4784 on:** May 8, 2021, 10:18:57 pm »

Just got to take it one game at a time, and pray to the football gods.

Circa1892 · « **Reply #4785 on:** May 8, 2021, 10:20:41 pm »

If we’d been given the points we should’ve had from the farce last weekend we’d be laughing... as it happens, Leicester to get back on form against United reserves and us to lose to round off a shoddy season.

Chris~ · « **Reply #4786 on:** May 8, 2021, 10:28:00 pm »

Is w4 D2 our best league run of the season? Obviously not the toughest run of games and disappointing to drop points in the way we did, but good to get a run together despite our issues

andy07 · « **Reply #4787 on:** May 8, 2021, 10:29:12 pm »

Last 6 :

Liverpool W 4 D 2 L 0 Pts 14
Leicester W 2 D 1 L 3 Pts. 7

Leicester 6 points advantage.

Remaining games:

Liverpool:

United a
West Brom a
Burnley a
Palace h

Leicester:

United a
Chelsea a
Spurs h

.....and West Ham might just have a say in proceedings.

PeterTheRed ... · « **Reply #4788 on:** May 8, 2021, 10:31:58 pm »

Quote from: PaulF on May 8, 2021, 06:00:35 pm

Why would United want second? Was mentioned a few times they'd want to seal it. But I don't see why it matters.

Money. Bigger share of the prize and TV money. Anyway ...

Man Utd (67)

Aston Villa (a)
Leicester (h)
LFC (h)
Fulham (h)
Wolves (a)

Chelsea (64)

Arsenal (h)
Leicester (h)
Aston Villa (a)

Leicester (63)

Man Utd (a)
Chelsea (a)
Tottenham (h)

West Ham (58)

Everton (h)
Brighton (a)
WBA (a)
Southampton (h)

LFC (57)

Man Utd (a)
WBA (a)
Burnley (a)
Crystal Palace (h)

Tottenham (56)

Wolves (h)
Aston Villa (h)
Leicester (a)

Everton (52)

West Ham (a)
Aston Villa (a)
Sheffield Utd (h)
Wolves (h)
Man City (a)

Leeds (50)

Burnley (a)
Southampton (a)
WBA (h)

Arsenal (49)

WBA (h)
Chelsea (a)
Crystal Palace (a)
Brighton (h)

Aston Villa (48)

Man Utd (h)
Everton (h)
Crystal Palace (a)
Tottenham (a)
Chelsea (h)

Scottymuser · « **Reply #4789 on:** May 8, 2021, 10:35:12 pm »

Quote from: kennedy81 on May 8, 2021, 10:12:20 pm

did they not change that?

No - it has always been the rule, apart from like 1 or 2 years about 15 years ago, that the Champo League Winner got a place, and IF that team hadn't qualified already, they got an additional spot (although it used to be that they had to go through qualifiers).

TSC · « **Reply #4790 on:** May 8, 2021, 11:05:20 pm »

Shame that city decided to coast earlier. Chelsea prob secured their spot today.

disgraced cake · « **Reply #4791 on:** May 8, 2021, 11:07:13 pm »

Leicester Merde

Cesar · « **Reply #4792 on:** May 8, 2021, 11:08:10 pm »

Quote from: Scottymuser on May 8, 2021, 10:35:12 pm

No - it has always been the rule, apart from like 1 or 2 years about 15 years ago, that the Champo League Winner got a place, and IF that team hadn't qualified already, they got an additional spot (although it used to be that they had to go through qualifiers).

I wonder what team was involved that made the change come about.. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Phineus · « **Reply #4793 on:** May 8, 2021, 11:11:43 pm »

I fully expect Leicester to mess up and drop points, just not particularly confident we’ll take advantage of it.

We’ll go into gameweek 36 with a game in hand (as they’re in FA cup final) so pressure is on us then and then following gameweek they play before us with Chelsea the Tuesday night and us on the Wednesday night.

If they go into that with us right behind them, possibly after a bad result in FA cup final, I can see them shitting the bed.

That said, need West Ham to piss of sharpish as well.

PeterTheRed ... · « **Reply #4794 on:** May 8, 2021, 11:18:49 pm »

Quote from: Phineus on May 8, 2021, 11:11:43 pm

I fully expect Leicester to mess up and drop points, just not particularly confident we’ll take advantage of it.

We’ll go into gameweek 36 with a game in hand (as they’re in FA cup final) so pressure is on us then and then following gameweek they play before us with Chelsea the Tuesday night and us on the Wednesday night.

If they go into that with us right behind them, possibly after a bad result in FA cup final, I can see them shitting the bed.

That said, need West Ham to piss of sharpish as well.

Leicester are playing Man Utd away on Tuesday. We are playing Man Utd on Thursday, and then WBA on Sunday. We should just concentrate on our games and win them, since we could be above Leicester by next Sunday ...

Phineus · « **Reply #4795 on:** May 8, 2021, 11:23:03 pm »

Quote from: PeterTheRed on May 8, 2021, 11:18:49 pm

Leicester are playing Man Utd away on Tuesday. We are playing Man Utd on Thursday, and then WBA on Sunday. We should just concentrate on our games and win them, since we could be above Leicester by next Sunday ...

I agree, more contextualising how I can see a Leicester collapse if they come out of an FA cup final defeat into that situation. Whether we take advantage ... yeah, that’s a whole other story.

Scottymuser · « **Reply #4796 on:** May 9, 2021, 01:10:45 am »

Quote from: Cesar on May 8, 2021, 11:08:10 pm

I wonder what team was involved that made the change come about.. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Actually no - it wasn't because of us - if i recall correctly the rule was briefly changed in like 2007/08 to say that it was up to the league concerned whether they wanted to choose whether to submit their 4th placed finisher (it was only specifically for the 3 leagues with 4 CL places) instead of the CL winner, and then was changed to say that the CL winner got through *instead* of the 4th placed team for 1 year, before the rule got changed back to "winner would gain CL qualification IF they didn't already ON TOP OF the league's top 4"

This was because previously (before 2005) it was assumed that on the very rare occasion that the CL winners didn't get top 4, their league would submit them instead of the 4th placed, but the FA played hardball on our (and Everton's) behalf and refused that, so UEFA made up the rule that they would gain entrance into the qualifiers, knowing that it would devalue the CL brand if the champions weren't in it before changing back to the "assume the league would submit them and pressure them to". And you could make an anti-Everton argument that the FA shouldn't have done so, but taking our Scouse hats off, I think most would agree with the FA that UEFA trying to force the FA (or any other governing body) to replace a legitimately qualifying team with the CL winners to save UEFAs corrupt face was wrong

bornandbRED · « **Reply #4797 on:** May 9, 2021, 03:01:04 am »

Beat the Mancs somehow and it’s on.

farawayred · « **Reply #4798 on:** May 9, 2021, 03:55:02 am »

Quote from: bornandbRED on May 9, 2021, 03:01:04 am

Beat the Mancs somehow and it’s on.

Especially if the beat Leicester before that.

Caligula? · « **Reply #4799 on:** May 9, 2021, 04:13:40 am »

Quote from: bornandbRED on May 9, 2021, 03:01:04 am

Beat the Mancs somehow and it’s on.

But we'll then probably fuck up against Burnley or West Brom.

It's just been that kind of season. We just don't look like a Klopp side or even a Champions League side for that matter and I'll be surprised if we win all four of our remaining games.