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Re: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?
« Reply #84440 on: September 18, 2015, 03:50:44 pm »
Yup all very one paced which is a concern.
Not really as I doubt we'll see more than one of them play at a time that often.

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Re: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?
« Reply #84441 on: September 18, 2015, 03:52:27 pm »
Not really as I doubt we'll see more than one of them play at a time that often.

The others are hardly speed merchants mate.

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Re: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?
« Reply #84442 on: September 18, 2015, 03:59:20 pm »
The others are hardly speed merchants mate.
Henderson, Milner and Can are hardly slow for midfielders. I mean Are Matic, Fabregas and Mikel fast? Schweinsteiger, Carrick and Schneiderlin? Even City's aren't all that much fast over a the first 10 yards or so. Like what are we expecting in terms of pace from midfielders?

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Re: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?
« Reply #84443 on: September 18, 2015, 03:59:40 pm »
Rossiter's complete lack of pace is a worry though. But he has the other atributes needed.

Such a shame that his legs aren't that little bit longer

He did pretty well against Bordeaux. Just about how much he can adapt to the pace as his reading of the game is obviously great. Him and Pedro were disadvantaged by having eachother as partners - they obviously both would have benefited from having a senior players in there, but both showcased themselves pretty well. Just played their normal game.

I don't see how leivapool can think Pedro is better though. I don't think he's made much of an impression in U21s, whereas Rossiter was almost instantly impressive when he got promoted. Pedro's obviously talented like but I don't think I'm alone in thinking he hasn't particularly shown himself as a top prospect yet.

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Re: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?
« Reply #84444 on: September 18, 2015, 04:01:07 pm »
Henderson, Milner and Can are hardly slow for midfielders. I mean Are Matic, Fabregas and Mikel fast? Schweinsteiger, Carrick and Schneiderlin? Even City's aren't all that much fast over a the first 10 yards or so.

Maybe not in a straight race but having to turn or even controlling the ball and moving then yes they are slow.

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Re: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?
« Reply #84445 on: September 18, 2015, 04:03:49 pm »
Maybe not in a straight race but having to turn or even controlling the ball and moving then yes they are slow.
Well that's a completely different thing to worrying about pace then and I'm really not worried about how quick Rossiter is able to control or turn on the ball.

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Re: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?
« Reply #84446 on: September 18, 2015, 04:06:36 pm »
Well that's a completely different thing to worrying about pace then and I'm really not worried about how quick Rossiter is able to control or turn on the ball.

I meant the 3 incumbents you mentioned. As for Rossiter he is probably slower than those 3 in a straight dash.

Anyway its semantics as he is young and will improve that side of his game.

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Re: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?
« Reply #84447 on: September 18, 2015, 04:31:53 pm »
Such a shame that his legs aren't that little bit longer

They seen long enough. One thing I've never got is people referring to his height like he is absolutely tiny (not so much on here), but he always seemed pretty average height wise to me. Maybe it's like MrBoywunder mentioned, the way he has his shirt tucked in makes him look smaller. He looked like he was a couple of inches taller than Lallana when celebrating next to him last night and he himself has a few inches on Coutinho.
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Re: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?
« Reply #84448 on: September 18, 2015, 04:45:50 pm »
They seen long enough. One thing I've never got is people referring to his height like he is absolutely tiny (not so much on here), but he always seemed pretty average height wise to me. Maybe it's like MrBoywunder mentioned, the way he has his shirt tucked in makes him look smaller. He looked like he was a couple of inches taller than Lallana when celebrating next to him last night and he himself has a few inches on Coutinho.

He's not tiny, it's just a shame he hasn't been blessed in the physical department. There are many great players, the type of players that Rossiter probably looks up to, that are similar in this regard, so it's not too big a problem. It's just a shame that sometimes his body is a fraction late to make a challenge that his mind's already made.

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Re: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?
« Reply #84449 on: September 18, 2015, 04:45:57 pm »
Rossiter has always looked like a weirdly hunched child. He still does. Doesn't hold him back though.
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Re: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?
« Reply #84450 on: September 18, 2015, 04:49:32 pm »
Rossiter has always looked like a weirdly hunched child. He still does. Doesn't hold him back though.
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« Reply #84451 on: September 18, 2015, 04:51:32 pm »
If Rossiter is hunched, what the hell is Ings? 

The oldest looking 23 year old in football.
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Re: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?
« Reply #84452 on: September 18, 2015, 04:54:08 pm »
Rossiter looks about as big as Roy Keane who wasn't rapid either, especially after doing his knee in. Not saying he's as good or anything but that's who he reminds me of. Don't think he'll have too many problems once he adjusts to playing against senior players because he's a really intelligent footballer.
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Re: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?
« Reply #84453 on: September 18, 2015, 05:04:09 pm »
Just about the only positive from last night was the performance of the young lads, particularly Rossiter and Chirivella.

Particularly impressed with Chirivella.  I apologise if this comes off as football hipster-ish, but he reminds me of Julian Weigl, the new kid that Dortmund picked up this summer.  A very technical and consistent midfielder who seems to pick the right pass to open up the space every time.  Think Chirivella can become that kind of player for us, needs to work on his positional awareness a bit (which is normal for an 18 year old) but looks very promising.
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Re: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?
« Reply #84454 on: September 18, 2015, 05:07:42 pm »
Though Chirivella looked really slow just after he came on.  There was a Bordeaux player who was running diagonally into our box and Chirivella looked like he was running in treacle, trying to keep pace.  Great on the ball, but I worry that he'll need a bit more bite to his game like Rossiter if he's to make it in this league without any standout physical qualities.

For the type of player he is, and can become, a lack of pace really isn't as big of a deal as you're making it out to be. 

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Re: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?
« Reply #84455 on: September 18, 2015, 05:08:52 pm »


I don't see how leivapool can think Pedro is better though. I don't think he's made much of an impression in U21s, whereas Rossiter was almost instantly impressive when he got promoted. Pedro's obviously talented like but I don't think I'm alone in thinking he hasn't particularly shown himself as a top prospect yet.

Few people have agreed with me,  lankyguy,  korchevnik.  I guess what you see depends on what you are looking for.  For me  Pedro had the composure in the really tight spaces,  got himself out and released a really good ball,  has that something a little special particularly given how he was brought on mid game and hasn;t had anywhere near the first team exposure Rossiter has.  Rossitor plays everything very simply.  Neither one or the other is bad, but for me Pedro has the touch of class.  Both are slow though :)
Rossiter absolutely bossed it tonight. Really believe he'll end up playing more games this season than Lucas.


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Re: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?
« Reply #84456 on: September 18, 2015, 05:09:37 pm »
Coady, also better than the ghost of Lucas Leiva.

But not better than the actual Lucas Leiva so it's all good.
Rossiter absolutely bossed it tonight. Really believe he'll end up playing more games this season than Lucas.


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Re: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?
« Reply #84457 on: September 18, 2015, 05:09:40 pm »

I think the Keane comparison with Rossiter is very apt, he relies on reading the game and playing the ball simply, I think he will develop better physically than people are giving him credit for though, young Pedro is quality

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Re: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?
« Reply #84458 on: September 18, 2015, 05:13:05 pm »
Pedro or Rossiter, for me it's great to see them both playing in the first team. We'll discuss on the boards who is better etc but I think we will all agree it's great to see the young lads get a game. One thing I will always credit Brendan for is the opportunity for the younger players.
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Re: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?
« Reply #84459 on: September 18, 2015, 05:26:05 pm »
I think the Keane comparison with Rossiter is very apt, he relies on reading the game and playing the ball simply, I think he will develop better physically than people are giving him credit for though, young Pedro is quality

That does Rossiter's passing a massive disservice.

He's young so he's not really pulling out his full range yet but that pass that sets Ibe away for the penalty claim, that's Rossiter playing it over the top.

He'll do it off either foot as well.

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Re: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?
« Reply #84460 on: September 18, 2015, 05:29:36 pm »
Pedro and Rossiter are a little different and both good in their way.  Sometimes I think there is an over-glorification on speed (for all positions), and other times folk on here rate technical ability as just about the only thing that counts.  Being brilliant at one doesn't make a premiership player, you need more rounded ability.  Afterall, Suso's technique was second to none (at LFC anyway) but where is he now?  Pedro has technique in abundance, which will eg help hold the ball under pressure, but doesn't always help build a fast counter-attack, pick up loose second balls, etc.   (Not saying that's all he has but speed it not his strength).  Rossiter may have (debatable) less technique, but has some combined with footballing brain, passion, etc.  Passion and energy can get you a long way, witness Flanno who is neither the most tech gifted or the fastest, but he is  effective at what he does.     

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Re: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?
« Reply #84461 on: September 18, 2015, 05:33:18 pm »
I think both Rossiter and Chirivella have very good positioning and always find themselves in good positions, either to receive a pass or make an interception, so lack of pace isn't really that much of an issue.

The thing I noticed was that, Chirivella especially, got brushed aside once or twice when trying to make a tackle but didn't have the strength to fight for the ball. Over the next 2/3 years this should become easier for them as their body's/frames fill out.

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« Reply #84462 on: September 18, 2015, 05:43:51 pm »
I love the way Rossiter recycles the ball quickly. When play breaks down his ability to change the angle of attack quickly is really useful. I would love to see him get more aggressive, not in a cartoon Joey Barton way, but a kind of immovable Didi Hamann way.
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Re: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?
« Reply #84463 on: September 18, 2015, 05:58:11 pm »
I was surprised too, what i really liked about him was the ability to turn with the ball.

Yeah, that stood out to me too. Seems to have very fluid hips. Don't think any of our first team midfielders excel at that ability, bar Allen.
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« Reply #84464 on: September 18, 2015, 05:58:52 pm »
That does Rossiter's passing a massive disservice.

He's young so he's not really pulling out his full range yet but that pass that sets Ibe away for the penalty claim, that's Rossiter playing it over the top.

He'll do it off either foot as well.

Talking about passes to Ibe. I was reminded of this. Pass at 1:10. See it more in the future hopefully.

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/L71xyapuwfU" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/L71xyapuwfU</a>
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Re: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?
« Reply #84465 on: September 18, 2015, 06:14:42 pm »
Rossiter absolutely bossed it tonight. Really believe he'll end up playing more games this season than Lucas.

Really wish he hadn't done his ankle last season. Think he was in line for appearances in our dead rubber matches late in the year. Would've probably set the table to have played against West Ham and saved us the annoyance of losing with players in midfield that may or may not have been holographic projections.

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Re: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?
« Reply #84466 on: September 18, 2015, 08:53:54 pm »
Rossiter seemed to shoot up a few inches over the summer, it was noticeable as soon as he came back for pre season.

Great to see him and Pedro get their chance last night.

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Re: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?
« Reply #84467 on: September 19, 2015, 12:18:19 am »
It is worth noting with Rossiter that he's not actually that slow, but he's still on the comeback trail from a serious ankle ligament injury.

He was out of action for 6 months and that was his first "competitive" start since February, he'll be quicker and more dynamic once he get's up to full fitness. He's never gonna be a speed merchant mind you.

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« Reply #84468 on: September 19, 2015, 12:48:34 am »
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Very impressive performances from both Rossiter and Chirivella.

They'll no doubt improve and get stronger physically so it's very exciting to have them in our squad.

Only thing I'm not keen on is Rossiter playing with his shirt tucked in, makes him look smaller than he is haha.
Have to admit that I didn't think Chirivella stood out to me during the match and on reflection immediately after the game, but that video certainly showed plenty of poise and class, irrespective of his age.

Rossiter also looked very composed. I love how he can turn and play a pass with either foot equally well. His tenaciousness is also commendable, though he needs to stop fouling needlessly as much as he does.

I said it before the season started and I'll say it again now: in the long run I think it'll do us a world of good being in the EL this season rather than the CL. We'd have significantly less opportunities to blood the likes of Rossiter, Chrivella, Gomez (at CB), Brannagan, Origi, etc if we were in the CL instead, and this experience will be invaluable to the undeniably very talented group of youths we have breaking through right now.

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Re: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?
« Reply #84469 on: September 19, 2015, 02:42:42 am »
He did a good job.  Always available and asking for the ball and moved it along nicely.  Gave away a few poor passes but overall should be happy with his debut.  I know that Rossiter is at Melwood full time now but is Pedro as well?

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« Reply #84470 on: September 19, 2015, 10:37:42 am »
Going to be watching the current U18s for the first time today, who are the ones to look out for?  I've heard a bit about Yan Dhanda who are the others showing potential?

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« Reply #84471 on: September 19, 2015, 10:41:15 am »
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Re: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?
« Reply #84472 on: September 19, 2015, 11:05:23 am »
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Re: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?
« Reply #84473 on: September 19, 2015, 11:17:09 am »
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Re: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?
« Reply #84474 on: September 19, 2015, 11:27:01 am »
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Re: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?
« Reply #84475 on: September 19, 2015, 11:27:53 am »
Going to be watching the current U18s for the first time today, who are the ones to look out for?  I've heard a bit about Yan Dhanda who are the others showing potential?

When it comes to potential, from todays starting line-up I rate Masterson, all three midfielders (Phillips, Kane, Alexander-Arnold) and Ben Woodburn. Dhanda is injured unfortunately.

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Re: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?
« Reply #84476 on: September 19, 2015, 12:09:39 pm »
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Re: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?
« Reply #84477 on: September 19, 2015, 12:26:55 pm »
I haven't seen Liam Griffin for ages, is he still at the club?

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« Reply #84478 on: September 19, 2015, 12:50:27 pm »
Phillips equalises in extra time. Lovely  :)

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« Reply #84479 on: September 19, 2015, 12:51:03 pm »
Whilst down to 10 men as well. Everton punished for just sitting deep, draw's a fair result.