Topic: Brexit: "Vultus inanis est et mori in fossa ego sum!"

[Zeb]

Well that things getting thrashed by 100+ votes, surely the one that lost by 2 deserves another outing (not that this is how things should go )

The main thrust of it, time to debate, has been conceded by the government (to try and head off the defeat) so only need for it to go again if the government try to shut things down over the last few days left I suppose.

[losCHUNK]

There were rumours earlier today that they were softening and edging towards backing the May deal

Was that when Arlene was on the Beeb, talking about discussing it?.  If they flip then it's gotta be criminal, check bank accounts etc.

[TheShanklyGates]

So what's the next vote?

And what's the main vote tonight? I'm losing track

Currently being voted on is Corbyn's nonsense which will go down.

After that is the Bryant amendment designed to stop May putting her deal to parliament again and again. Will be very interesting to see if that one goes through.

After that is the main motion on extending A50.

[TheShanklyGates]

And now the BBC have said Bryant won't put his amendment to the vote.

Jesus fucking Christ the state of these twats.

[Zeb]

And now the BBC have said Bryant won't put his amendment to the vote.

Jesus fucking Christ the state of these twats.

MV3 next Tuesday (?). MPs have choice to vote for it or head into debate to find a consensus on a reason to extend Article 50.

[Red-Soldier]

6 Labour MPs voted against the Benn amendment.

[TheShanklyGates]

MV3 next Tuesday (?). MPs have choice to vote for it or head into debate to find a consensus on a reason to extend Article 50.

It's all heading towards May's deal getting through I think.

[Stockholm Syndrome]

Mays just gonna brute Force her deal through isn't she?

The whole commons is incompetent

[Ghost Town]

It's all set up for MV3

Only Bercow-Wan Kenobi can save us now

[ShakaHislop]

And now the BBC have said Bryant won't put his amendment to the vote.

Jesus fucking Christ the state of these twats.

He might be relying on Bercow to do the work of the amendment for him. If Parliament rejected the amendment, it could be argued that it's also saying Parliament is happy to vote again in meaningful vote 3.

[stoa]

Some guy in front of Parliament is in good voice there in the BBC coverage. I like his song...

[Red-Soldier]

May is going to get her deal through.

There's not a majority to fight Brexit in the house.  The fucking wankers!!!

[FlashingBlade]

I feel I'm watching a foreign language film without subtitles...not knowing exactly what's really going on...but it's fascinating...and hilarious.

[FlashingBlade]

Some guy in front of Parliament is in good voice there in the BBC coverage. I like his song...

At one point I thought he was singing o come all ye faithful to Anfield...with Yoko  Ono.

[killer-heels]

MV3: This time its personal.

[TheShanklyGates]

He might be relying on Bercow to do the work of the amendment for him. If Parliament rejected the amendment, it could be argued that it's also saying Parliament is happy to vote again in meaningful vote 3.

Highly doubt Bercow will stop MV3 to be honest. If it doesn't get through and she tries for MV4 I think that would be the time he'd intervene.

Huge risk of May's deal passing now.

[FaitAccompli]

After a glimmer, only a glimmer mind, of hope last night, I'm back to feeling like Sarah Connor when she sees that she and everyone in the playground are about to get frazzled by the nuclear bomb released in the distance.

Ruth Smeeth has quit as Tom Watson's secretary so that she could vote against a second referendum...just...ugh

[Zeb]

It's all heading towards May's deal getting through I think.

Unless one of the big opposing groups of MPs recognises they can't 'win', aye. But they're still all fixated on the idea that they can be the last option left.

[ShakaHislop]

Highly doubt Bercow will stop MV3 to be honest. If it doesn't get through and she tries for MV4 I think that would be the time he'd intervene.

Huge risk of May's deal passing now.

Why not intervene now?

A motion or an amendment which is the same, in substance, as a question which has been decided during a session may not be brought forward again during that same session."

Even if Cox alters his legal advice, that's merely an option as to how the withdrawal agreement may function. The actual withdrawal agreement itself/the substance will be unchanged. The EU has said as much.

[Machae]

6 Labour MPs voted against the Benn amendment.

Why would they do that?

[planet-terror]

Jaysus. What a mess

[losCHUNK]

Where's my hole gone

[FaitAccompli]

Motion to extend article 50 passes. It’s 412 in favour, 202 against, a majority of 210.

[24/7]

Motion to extend article 50 passes. It’s 412 in favour, 202 against, a majority of 210.

Should we breathe a sigh of relief here?? Seems the only really positive outcome today.

[Commie Bobbie]

As we fucking were.

Fuck sake.

Suspect the PV March next weekend might be a bit more rowdy now.

[FaitAccompli]

Should we breathe a sigh of relief here?? Seems the only really positive outcome today.

I don't know mate, I really don't know, as it doesn't rule out MV3 happening, and the EU could also tell us to piss off.

I suspect the likes of Zeb and Oldfordie will have a clearer idea of what might happen from here.

[ShakaHislop]

The other opposition parties should have put forward Labour's exact plan in their own name. If Labour abstain on that, they look like twats; if Labour support the amendment but it falls, then Labour can't claim the House supports its plan.

[Libertine]

Why would they do that?

So that May and the Tory government can keep control of what happens next.

No, me neither.....

Motion to extend article 50 passes. It’s 412 in favour, 202 against, a majority of 210.

How often did May stand at the despatch box and state that the UK would definitely be leaving on March 29th.

She wasn't lying, was she?

[S.Red please]

On a side note does anyone think anything will change with our politicians in the future? Will people begin voting differently? Surely this entire shit show from our parliament has done enough for both sides to waken people up to the sheer incompetence, greed and arrogance that is running through our government now? For example, I was all in favour of Corbyn for PM before Brexit however if there was a general election tomorrow I wouldn't vote Labour nor will I ever with him in charge.

You'd think people will wake up however a part of me knows the general population of this country won't make themselves any more informed or advised about politics, than what they did when they ticked 'Leave' or 'Remain' 2 years ago.

[gazzalfc]

Means nothing if a single EU leader says no.

[ShakaHislop]

On a side note does anyone think anything will change with our politicians in the future? Will people begin voting differently? Surely this entire shit show from our parliament has done enough for both sides to waken people up to the sheer incompetence, greed and arrogance that is running through our government now? For example, I was all in favour of Corbyn for PM before Brexit however if there was a general election tomorrow I wouldn't vote Labour nor will I ever with him in charge.

You'd think people will wake up however a part of me knows the general population of this country won't make themselves any more informed or advised about politics, than what they did when they ticked 'Leave' or 'Remain' 2 years ago.

No, not at all.

I think the public would rather have shit MPs to complain about than actually make the effort to hold them properly to account.

[Zeb]

I don't know mate, I really don't know, as it doesn't rule out MV3 happening, and the EU could also tell us to piss off.

I suspect the likes of Zeb and Oldfordie will have a clearer idea of what might happen from here.

Nah, wouldn't disagree with what you've said there. We need a reason for an extension, and even having a reason may not prevent the EU from telling us to fuck off etc. MV3 looks likely to happen next Tuesday. If it passes, extension to legislate to be out by June or whenever. If it doesn't pass, then Parliament needs a consensus for another reason or May will ask them to have a look at MV4 the week after that.

[CraigDS]

What’s the reason for an extension?

EU won’t change the terms so we’re not going to get a new, better, deal. Surely it’s just delaying the inevitable?

I mean hopefully it means more time to persuade another ref but that seems unlikely.

[Wabaloolah]

What’s the reason for an extension?

EU won’t change the terms so we’re not going to get a new, better, deal. Surely it’s just delaying the inevitable?

I mean hopefully it means more time to persuade another ref but that seems unlikely.

it very much depends, if May's deal passes they'll extend until 30th June to allow it to be ratified.

If it doesn't pass then I suspect Article 50 will be revoked

[Ghost Town]

On a side note does anyone think anything will change with our politicians in the future? Will people begin voting differently?

Nothing will change. Too many people are genetically programmed to genuflect to these c*nts. 

[ShakaHislop]

it very much depends, if May's deal passes they'll extend until 30th June to allow it to be ratified.

If it doesn't pass then I suspect Article 50 will be revoked

Why?

It's like pulling teeth getting anywhere close to a referendum where's there'd only be a 50% chance of Brexit being cancelled. Revoking A50 is 100% cancelling Brexit. Absolutely no chance of this Parliament doing that IMO.

[Henry Gale]

it very much depends, if May's deal passes they'll extend until 30th June to allow it to be ratified.

If it doesn't pass then I suspect Article 50 will be revoked

Unfortunately I think there’s more chance of leaving without a deal than not leaving at all.

[Ghost Town]

Means nothing if a single EU leader says no.

BRITAIN: We need to persuade the EU to give us the extension we need. Surely they won't turn us down, why would they do that?

FARRAGE THE TRAITOR: Hold my beer

[Zeb]

New (and important): The PM’s spokesperson says that the end date of the transition period will *not* change as a result of an Article 50 extension i.e the extra days the UK spends as an EU member state will eat into the transition period.

(via Business Insider's Adam Payne)

A long extension would therefore eat into the time to negotiate the future relationship and push us pretty quickly into the first (end of 2020) and then the second (end of 2022) cliff edges of transition. Anyone up for negotiating a future relationship with the EU in a couple of years? >_>

[Red Beret]

How do the People's Vote campaing, the Best for Britain campaign, and Alastair Campbell fit into that?

Out of interest, what kind of referendum would you like to have? If it's straight remain/leave like the last time, we'll get another unicorn campaing from the leave side, and no one will know what to do if they win. It has to be some sort of concrete leave deal v remain, so the softer the deal the better. It might even lead to hard Brexiters not voting at all.

Good luck to them suckering the electorate with that campaign again.  It's three years down the line and there's more than enough evidence for a sick to death of it population wont buy it a second time.  If they did, we may as well go Full Everton and do a hard brexit.  It's all we'd deserve.