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He’s a frustrating player to watch, he tries really hard and always looks busy but his decision making is just maddening.
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Media and Arts / Re: Music Association Game
« Last post by lucas65 on Today at 09:49:30 pm »
You Shook Me All Night Long (by AC/DC)
Everlong - The Foo Fighters
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I think when Klopp arrived he inherited a decent pressing team which had goals in it but was vulnerable defensively which he had to fix. He gradually improved us with some great signings and brought us that heavy metal football that we had all craved and no team would start matches faster or with as much intensity. However that came with a price and players appeared to become gassed towards the end of a game and indeed towards the end of a season. Klopp continued to evolve and adapt the system and introduced more control to our game and part of that was about the conservation of energy which is when you see lots of pointless passes between the back four but the improved endurance that came with that helped us to the title. We'd also moved from going all out attack from minute one to picking our moments based on our control of a game. We'd also improved massively both defending set pieces and scoring from them and were probably the best in the league at that time. For those couple of years the team looked invincible with all departments performing at a very high level and operating to a clearly defined system of play.

The evolution and tweaks to the system are essential to keep ahead of the field otherwise you become predictable and opposition sides will work out their own strategy to defeat it, we see it time and again whereby sides become a surprise package only to get worked out over time. Liverpool holding a very high line to catch the opposition off side on set pieces was a very bold innovation, aided by dare I say it the introduction of VAR but this can be defeated with clever late or unusual runs and a good free kick specialist. The very high line in normal play is also very brave and has never been without risk with a capable opposition team - that bravery and risk is part of the Klopp template and I think we've all been willing to embrace that given the exceptional football that we've witnessed with it. It can go spectacularly wrong when some of the jigsaw pieces are missing, think about the centre back crisis that we went through.

Sadly I think many of our jigsaw piece replacements are not of the same level and our best players are still from the class of 19/20, Nunez is such a strange signing for our system and Gakpo looks decent but not exceptional. We are predictable and I'm not sure whether the laziness that you mention is entirely down to us or the opposition setting up to stop us playing through them, nothing is on so we resort to the pointless passing between the back four, on the face of it it looks like we are in 'control' because we have long periods with the ball in useless areas of the pitch which the opposition is happy with. Even when we do start like a house on fire the opposition know that they only have to withstand the 10-15 minute burst, they know that they will get their own chances and they will invariably be high quality. Our risky system provides for those chances and they are usually high quality possibly because of a drop in quality of our personnel. Our chances on the other hand don't tend to be as high a quality due to blanket defending, having said that we miss far too many chances and that is down to the quality of the players.

I think since Klopp's announcement there has been what feels like an element of desperation from the fans, the players and the staff for us to win the league like as if it would be our last ever opportunity ever but guess what, Klopp leaving is not the end of the world for this club and life will go on, we play for the league title every year. That desperation is emotionally draining for the fans and must be affecting the players too, many look tight on taking chances. The flaws in the system are being exposed but those flaws have always been there and the team has just been better at managing them. From a personal point of view I rarely watch any game that doesn't involve Liverpool and its been that case for a while, I despise the cheating and refereeing that goes on in this league and there a few teams that I just dislike. I'd come to the conclusion that I might stop watching football all together after Klopp's departure but that has actually happened earlier than I expected. It was the City game that did it for me, I was left emotionally spent after that game and realised I just had too much invested in following the team and I haven't enjoyed watching us for a while - so why do it? I don't think that makes me fickle, I'll always be a fan and just need a break from the actual experience of watching us. I can always come back to it when I've recharged, I've had long breaks from it before post Hillsborough and things can change over time. The footballing authorities might eventually clean up this league.       

Great post and agree with a lot of that, especially emotionally investing into playing a game that we all know is rigged. Worst thing was today my 7 year old son saying, dad please don't be angry  :-\ I stopped being angry a few games ago (well tell a lie I was fuming on Wednesday, but my son was asleep!  ;D) but shitty to see the impact the game has on those around you, fair enough if it's a fair game but it isn't. If we're feeling this way, imagine how Klopp and despondent some of the players are, little wonder Klopp wants a break from the game.
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Villa lose and that's CL mathematically secured.
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Jurgen let the midfield get too old and slow, and we ended up being more Karen Carpenter than Ozzy Osbourne.

Don't know if it was loyalty to great servants ala Shanks, or there were financial restrictions in the summer '22 window so his hands were tied, either way it needed new blood in midfield. Fabinho (and less shocking Henderson as he was already on the wane) getting bypassed so easily must have been a real shock to the system for Jurgen. Basically a write off that season.

We are completely stacked with 8s now so that area is sorted. Gravenberch looked the part at times today. Mac we know is class, Jones was our first choice midfielder at Christmas before the injury lay off, and Dom when he was fresh started off like a house on fire, great engine, no doubts about him either. Jurgen needed that extra summer to get the midfield sorted (likely would have done had he acted in '22) as it was too much in one go. Hopefully Slot can finish the job.

Slot has a penchant for rapid wingers who specialise in one vs one duels by all accounts so thats an area that should get sorted too. Doak I think will be a huge asset also in that department. Nunez is rapid, as is Diaz, and Mo (if he stays) showed some real pace today for the first time since he came back.

The intensity I think will return when the new man comes in as thats his game.


I think the fact that FSG had to sell off a chunk of the club to fund the acquisition of a new midfield speaks volumes. Add in the fact that we allowed all three of Mane, Salah and Firmino to run down their deals meant the transfer budget went on rebuilding the attack.
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Couldn't have played like that on Tuesday night like.

for what? you think we were in title fight?
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General Football and Sport / Re: The NHL Thread
« Last post by Boston Bosox on Today at 09:48:23 pm »
Islanders take Hurricanes to Over Time
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Sub subbed. Ouch!
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That’s a beautfiul finish

Penalty Palmer has popped a few pens in and suddenly thinks he's Messi. On every free kick and shoots from about anywhere

Dont blame him to be honest, incredibly gifted lad. Knows how to manipulate the ball in some incredible ways… and look who he has to pass to :lmao i’d shoot as well
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Couldn't have played like that on Tuesday night like.
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