Topic: Fabinho

[gazzalfc]

Did he walk the pitch at half time ?

Nope. Same with bobby. Just a quick video with LFC TV on twitter.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

Nope. Same with bobby. Just a quick video with LFC TV on twitter.

Before the fans got in, fucking cowards.

Would've loved to have been the one to tell them both that saying hello to the fans wouldn't be a good idea.

[newterp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oORId7o8T2Q

[WhereAngelsPlay]

Cowards.

[Chakan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oORId7o8T2Q

Could care less what they have to say. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

[classycarra]

Did he walk the pitch at half time ?

no he had his fill of that during last season's games

wonder who's hosting the churrasco and piss up this week for the south americans and their extended families

[WhereAngelsPlay]

no he had his fill of that during last season's games

[newterp]

no he had his fill of that during last season's gameswonder who's hosting the churrasco and piss up this week for the south americans and their extended families

Diaz?

[WhereAngelsPlay]

Diaz?

Reverend Becker.

[The_Nomad]

Could care less what they have to say. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Genuine question; why the hate?

[paulrazor]

Genuine question; why the hate?

see Jordan Henderson

[Knight]

see Jordan Henderson

They're not identical though, there was clear hypocrisy with Henderson in a way that wasn't true of Fabinho or Firmino. Plus Firmino and Fabinho were clearly done but Henderson could have stayed on as an elder statesman, Milner type role, which Klopp clearly wanted. But Henderson chose to abandon us.

That's not to say I like their moves, I don't. But I don't think it's the same as Henderson.

[paulrazor]

Not really but what ever way you look at they took the blood money

No doubt Henderson comes off worse as he was our captain and spoke up against these regimes publicly and he comes off as the biggest hypocrite

However, anyone of our ex boys over there all took the money whatever way you look at it.

[AndyMuller]

It was quite scary how badly he regressed last season. I can't imagine he is pulling up any trees in Saudi either.

[Yorkykopite]

They're not identical though, there was clear hypocrisy with Henderson in a way that wasn't true of Fabinho or Firmino. Plus Firmino and Fabinho were clearly done but Henderson could have stayed on as an elder statesman, Milner type role, which Klopp clearly wanted. But Henderson chose to abandon us.

That's not to say I like their moves, I don't. But I don't think it's the same as Henderson.

I don't hate Fabinho (or Henderson or Gerrard for that matter). But I wonder about the logic in your post. Hypocrisy is the minor crime in all this. But it's overwhelmed by the major crime which is choosing to play in a savage land like Saudi Arabia where political dissidence is met with execution. That Fabinho and Firmino never said anything positive about, say, gay rights does not make them 'better' people than Henderson who once did.

As for Henderson's probable usefulness to Liverpool this season, that should be neither here nor there. In citing it as an additional 'crime' I think you end by relativising the major one.

I wish the club had made it clear to all three players that in choosing to play in Saudi they would make it very difficult for themselves ever to be welcomed back to Anfield. Then they could have gone with their eyes wide open. Who knows? It might even have raised their political consciousness a notch. Which is never a bad thing.

[Simplexity]

Not really but what ever way you look at they took the blood money

No doubt Henderson comes off worse as he was our captain and spoke up against these regimes publicly and he comes off as the biggest hypocrite

However, anyone of our ex boys over there all took the money whatever way you look at it.

Players have played for morally dubious at best owners for 50 years. Why does it matter now? Genuine question.

[So… Howard Philips]

Players have played for morally dubious at best owners for 50 years. Why does it matter now? Genuine question.

Care to name any UK based dubious owners other than the usual suspects?

[Simplexity]

Care to name any UK based dubious owners other than the usual suspects?

In England? Actually not that many. Abroad quite a few. AC Milan, Real Madrid, Juventus, literally every single Russian club ever.

[Yorkykopite]

Players have played for morally dubious at best owners for 50 years. Why does it matter now? Genuine question.

Because there are levels of moral dubiousness. I'm probably a bit morally dubious, as are you. So, no doubt, is John Henry. But none of us go around chopping people's heads off because we don't like what they say. The Saudi Arabian regime is depraved.

[Terry de Niro]

I don't hate Fabinho (or Henderson or Gerrard for that matter). But I wonder about the logic in your post. Hypocrisy is the minor crime in all this. But it's overwhelmed by the major crime which is choosing to play in a savage land like Saudi Arabia where political dissidence is met with execution. That Fabinho and Firmino never said anything positive about, say, gay rights does not make them 'better' people than Henderson who once did.

As for Henderson's probable usefulness to Liverpool this season, that should be neither here nor there. In citing it as an additional 'crime' I think you end by relativising the major one.

I wish the club had made it clear to all three players that in choosing to play in Saudi they would make it very difficult for themselves ever to be welcomed back to Anfield. Then they could have gone with their eyes wide open. Who knows? It might even have raised their political consciousness a notch. Which is never a bad thing.

Because there are levels of moral dubiousness. I'm probably a bit morally dubious, as are you. So, no doubt, is John Henry. But none of us go around chopping people's heads off because we don't like what they say. The Saudi Arabian regime is depraved.

Exactly as I see it.

Excellent points and posts-Yorky.

[paulrazor]

Players have played for morally dubious at best owners for 50 years. Why does it matter now? Genuine question.

good question to be fair but as others have said

None of us are Angels I am sure, We have all done something stupid and probably immoral but its a different kettle of fish altogether and dubiousness is at a different level there when people are beheaded for having different beliefs

[redgriffin73]

no he had his fill of that during last season's games

[Qston]

good question to be fair but as others have said

None of us are Angels I am sure, We have all done something stupid and probably immoral but its a different kettle of fish altogether and dubiousness is at a different level there when people are beheaded for having different beliefs

And the fact your income comes from them pretty much directly.

I get the arguments about "would you turn it down" etc etc etc. The key difference though is that your employer beheads people and doesn`t abide by any real law that any of us would see as 'just'

[Redley]

Weren't Bobby and Fab supporters of Bolsonaro? So probably unfairly on Henderson....they're probably seen as less hypocritical because we already knew they had very dubious morals.

[rob1966]

Weren't Bobby and Fab supporters of Bolsonaro? So probably unfairly on Henderson....they're probably seen as less hypocritical because we already knew they had very dubious morals.

Henderson gets it more because he was very vocal about LGBTQ+ rights, how he couldn't ever get his head around people being victimised due to their sexuality etc etc - then he moves to a country where you get executed for being gay, women are 2nd class citizens, human rights are non existent. His new club even greyed out the rainbow armband in their welcome video/pics.

[newterp]

I don't hate Fabinho, Firmino, Gini, Gerrard, Mane, or Henderson.

However - I don't care about them anymore, either.

And I also won't forget how much joy they brought me over the years.

So, with that said - as noted upthread - I'm not the least bit impressed with them going to Saudi (especially Henderson after all their comments, and Gerrard - come on man - try to rebuild your managerial rep) and think less of them for it.

[paulrazor]

I don't hate Fabinho, Firmino, Gini, Gerrard, Mane, or Henderson.

However - I don't care about them anymore, either.

And I also won't forget how much joy they brought me over the years.

So, with that said - as noted upthread - I'm not the least bit impressed with them going to Saudi (especially Henderson after all their comments, and Gerrard - come on man - try to rebuild your managerial rep) and think less of them for it.

spot on this

[GreatEx]

Would Fabinho and Firmino get booed if they walked the pitch in front of supporters? I have total disdain for their career move, but wouldn't abuse them. I would probably just watch them mutely. Maybe that's what they and/or the club were afraid of: the awkward silence.

[redgriffin73]

Would Fabinho and Firmino get booed if they walked the pitch in front of supporters? I have total disdain for their career move, but wouldn't abuse them. I would probably just watch them mutely. Maybe that's what they and/or the club were afraid of: the awkward silence.

To be honest I reckon enough people would still probably have cheered them but maybe the club didn't want to risk it. Hell, there's people who would cheer Hendo and Gerrard as well I imagine. I'd make sure I was on the concourse I think.

[Black Bull Nova]

I wish the club had made it clear to all three players that in choosing to play in Saudi they would make it very difficult for themselves ever to be welcomed back to Anfield. Then they could have gone with their eyes wide open. Who knows? It might even have raised their political consciousness a notch. Which is never a bad thing.

Maybe but then I think the club saw both departing as an opportunity as well as a threat, getting £40m for Fabinho probably suited, even if the timing was not good, they may have said something but then probably put nothing in his way

[paulrazor]

Maybe but then I think the club saw both departing as an opportunity as well as a threat, getting £40m for Fabinho probably suited, even if the timing was not good, they may have said something but then probably put nothing in his way

yeah it was way too good to turn down

He was 30 and last season he was poor

Endo in for a 24m profit, good business

[Black Bull Nova]

yeah it was way too good to turn down

He was 30 and last season he was poor

Endo in for a 24m profit, good business

We were paying £9.6m a year to Fabinho, c£2.6m a year to Endo, makes room by saving us about £18m in salary as well as the £24m profit. That's equivalent to about the extra money from 7,000 ticket sales for 6 PL seasons, it matters even if it is mercenary.

[paulrazor]

We were paying £9.6m a year to Fabinho, c£2.6m a year to Endo, makes room by saving us about £18m in salary as well as the £24m profit. That's equivalent to about the extra money from 7,000 ticket sales for 6 PL seasons, it matters even if it is mercenary.

that is some saving in wages alright

[Dim Glas]

Would Fabinho and Firmino get booed if they walked the pitch in front of supporters? I have total disdain for their career move, but wouldn't abuse them. I would probably just watch them mutely. Maybe that's what they and/or the club were afraid of: the awkward silence.

No, same as with Gerrard, they’d be welcomed back as LFC legends.  I think for some of us here, where it’s almost an universal understanding of sportswashing and the human rights abuses Saudi Arabia see as part of normal existance, may not realise that we’re the minority.  I doubt most care, and will continue to treat them as legendary ex Reds.

[tubby]

No, same as with Gerrard, they’d be welcomed back as LFC legends.  I think for some of us here, where it’s almost an universal understanding of sportswashing and the human rights abuses Saudi Arabia see as part of normal existance, may not realise that we’re the minority.  I doubt most care, and will continue to treat them as legendary ex Reds.

Yup, agree with this.  They'd all get a good reception, even Henderson.  And I would also expect that Klopp would make a point of saying that they should get a good reception in any pre-match notes/press conference, should it come up.

[Mister Flip Flop]

No, same as with Gerrard, they’d be welcomed back as LFC legends.  I think for some of us here, where it’s almost an universal understanding of sportswashing and the human rights abuses Saudi Arabia see as part of normal existance, may not realise that we’re the minority.  I doubt most care, and will continue to treat them as legendary ex Reds.

Unfortunately this is the truth. If the club was for example bought by Qatar tomorrow there would be some protests and banners for a while and then it would eventually die down and the fans like myself who would never ever set foot inside the ground again or watch a game would be replaced by any number of day trippers or viewers.

I've a friend i went to games with years ago who thinks politics and sport shouldn't mix and he could care less who owned the club or what they stood for. Last time i spoke with him i asked him how he'd feel if Trump bought the club and he said he couldn't care as long as he put money in and had us compete. These people exist and there are far more of them than we'd like to admit.

[Indomitable_Carp]

Sadly, I'd have to agree with the last few posts. Most people don't give a shite. And younger fans (scousers included) have been brought up in the era of big money football, far removed from the principals of the past.