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Re: BT Sport - home of the Champions League
« Reply #840 on: February 16, 2014, 08:40:30 pm »
They're both tossers, and both communicate solely via the medium of worn-out footballing cliches. Andy Gray doesn't sound like he's on mogadon, which trumps Owen in one way but they're both entertainment-free, personality vacuums. 

Just for his shitty behaviour at Sky, Gray should be off limits for any TV channel.

I disagree, I think Gray is one of the best co-commentators about. He actually does know what he's talking about and isnt biased to anyone. He actually said the no penalty today was 'assault and a stick on' several times ;D

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Re: BT Sport - home of the Champions League
« Reply #841 on: February 16, 2014, 09:58:55 pm »
i dont understand the hate Andy gets, i think he's an excellent commentator

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Re: BT Sport - home of the Champions League
« Reply #842 on: February 16, 2014, 10:00:03 pm »
Andy Gray is a quality commentator. Actually talks with a sense of intelligence. Horrible man he may be, you can't deny his commentating skills.

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Re: BT Sport - home of the Champions League
« Reply #843 on: February 16, 2014, 10:02:53 pm »
Andy gray unreal commentator.
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Re: BT Sport - home of the Champions League
« Reply #844 on: February 16, 2014, 10:10:26 pm »
i dont understand the hate Andy gets, i think he's an excellent commentator
It's quite blatant why he's hated on though.

Far better commentator than Owen though.

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Re: BT Sport - home of the Champions League
« Reply #845 on: February 16, 2014, 10:13:41 pm »
i dont understand the hate Andy gets
Er, what?

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Re: BT Sport - home of the Champions League
« Reply #846 on: February 16, 2014, 11:16:41 pm »
I don't particularly care what he's done as long as he replaces Micheal Owen.
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Re: BT Sport - home of the Champions League
« Reply #847 on: February 16, 2014, 11:24:48 pm »
I don't particularly care what he's done as long as he replaces Micheal Owen.

And that's the attitude which has got him back to where he is.

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Re: BT Sport - home of the Champions League
« Reply #848 on: February 16, 2014, 11:41:37 pm »
And that's the attitude which has got him back to where he is.
If you can do your job and you are not a criminal, then there us little that can stop you. He is very good at he's the does.

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Re: BT Sport - home of the Champions League
« Reply #849 on: February 17, 2014, 12:00:32 am »
I don't particularly care what he's done as long as he replaces Micheal Owen.
Quite right, he's an inspiration to sexist morons everywhere isn't he.

For Fucks sake.

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Re: BT Sport - home of the Champions League
« Reply #850 on: February 17, 2014, 12:01:44 am »
I don't particularly care what he's done as long as he replaces Micheal Owen.

Stop being an idiot.  You know what he's done and yet you're happy to let him get away with it?.

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Re: BT Sport - home of the Champions League
« Reply #851 on: February 17, 2014, 12:09:31 am »
Today I had to listen to Clarke Carlisle making Everton sound like Real Madrid. Micheal Owen uses more cliches than you can shake a stick at, even Gary Neville has been awful this year trying to make everything sound not as bad as it seems at United. Martin Tyler has gone from bearable to a complete shitstirrer in the last couple of years. How do these people get on tv? Gray was on today and I will happily admit it was a nice change to not hear someone talking absolute shite for once.

I'm sorry if that makes me appear as if I have no moral compass. Personally if there was an option to disable commentary altogether I would use it.
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Re: BT Sport - home of the Champions League
« Reply #852 on: February 17, 2014, 12:10:34 am »
Stop being an idiot.  You know what he's done and yet you're happy to let him get away with it?.
Gray has done his time, what he said he can't be punished for life.
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Re: BT Sport - home of the Champions League
« Reply #853 on: February 17, 2014, 12:25:44 am »
Back like a boss. Get in you beauty.
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Re: BT Sport - home of the Champions League
« Reply #854 on: February 17, 2014, 12:33:06 am »
His absence has only enhanced his "reputation". In the future he'll look back at it as a blessing in disguise, I'm sure. He and Keys got a radio show and had a bit of a niche audience and people claimed how good they were and how they should never have been sacked, merely months after they were fired from Sky.

If you look at him in isolation, as a commentator and football man, then yes he's better than most of the dross out there. Firstly he's a huge fan of the game and that is expressed in his commentary. Secondly he's a voice many have grown up with over the past 2 decades or so and he and Tyler did strike up a good rapport together. Recently though Tyler has become incredibly insufferable and no longer tries to shield his bias. Gary Neville is very knowledgeable and I do like him but he doesn't seem to have that "Hollywood" feel about him, if that is the right term. Gray could make a dross 0-0 draw that bit more entertaining just by his commentary and I suppose that's what people have missed.

Here is the thing though. As much as I do like his commentary and some of his analysis, I simply cannot look at him or hear his voice without feeling a little bit sick inside. What he and Keys said was not friendly "banter", it wasn't just a bit of fun with female colleagues. They insulted a very good professional in Sian Massey in a misogynistic tone and in other videos they intimidated, and you could say harassed, other female colleagues at Sky. It's just not acceptable.

He's been allowed back into the fold because he's a familiar voice and he's good at his job. If it was Jon Champion or even Micheal Owen who had said those things then that would be their media career over, full stop. The hypocrisy is what makes it so funny.


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Re: BT Sport - home of the Champions League
« Reply #855 on: February 17, 2014, 01:07:58 am »
Stop being an idiot.  You know what he's done and yet you're happy to let him get away with it?.

What should be his punishment, to never get a job again?

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Re: BT Sport - home of the Champions League
« Reply #856 on: February 17, 2014, 08:26:52 am »
Andy Gray is a quality commentator. Actually talks with a sense of intelligence. Horrible man he may be, you can't deny his commentating skills.

I can. He makes some good points sometimes but he gets too wrapped up in his own opinions and is often unable to accept an alternate point of view. Usually to the point of making it sound like managers (unlike Gray) don't know what they're doing.
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Re: BT Sport - home of the Champions League
« Reply #857 on: February 17, 2014, 10:05:44 am »
Come on it was pub banter that wasn't meant to be heard by millions of people everywhere, pretty sure loads of blokes have said something derogatery about a woman for a laugh with a mate doesn't make them all sexist morons 

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Re: BT Sport - home of the Champions League
« Reply #858 on: February 17, 2014, 10:16:10 am »
I like Andy Gray's commentary. Understand why people dont like him as a person, but he has apologised and he lost his job over it.

Some people may want to keep a grudge, but that's up to them. Better than Owen.

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Re: BT Sport - home of the Champions League
« Reply #859 on: February 17, 2014, 10:19:01 am »
It was good to hear him again to be honest. Still top of the pile for me

And his obvious admiration for gerrard must annoy the evertonians
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Re: BT Sport - home of the Champions League
« Reply #860 on: February 17, 2014, 10:20:20 am »
Come on it was pub banter that wasn't meant to be heard by millions of people everywhere, pretty sure loads of blokes have said something derogatery about a woman for a laugh with a mate doesn't make them all sexist morons 

To be fair I've seen a couple of blokes make this mistake, within ear shot of partner of the female. It was pretty violent, and wasn't pretty.

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Re: BT Sport - home of the Champions League
« Reply #861 on: February 17, 2014, 10:45:55 am »
Come on it was pub banter that wasn't meant to be heard by millions of people everywhere, pretty sure loads of blokes have said something derogatery about a woman for a laugh with a mate doesn't make them all sexist morons

Whilst this is true to an extent - I'd say that any man who says they've not said something that isn't blatantly sexist (or at least something that's borderline) is probably lying.

The difference is, you should know that you really shouldn't be behaving in the way they were at work. A 'pub atmosphere' with alcohol is completely different to a place where you should be professional. The saying "their only mistake was getting caught" can't really apply because they shouldn't have been behaving in this way - and the most recent clip (whistling and singing at the lady who's name I forget) was absolutely appalling.

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Re: BT Sport - home of the Champions League
« Reply #862 on: February 17, 2014, 02:25:03 pm »
Meh there will always be differance of opinion, it just comes down to tolerance and what you take offence to I guess.

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Re: BT Sport - home of the Champions League
« Reply #863 on: February 17, 2014, 02:26:16 pm »
For instance if we were talking about Ron Atkinson right now my posts would be entirely different   ;)

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Re: BT Sport - home of the Champions League
« Reply #864 on: February 17, 2014, 02:36:01 pm »
Anyone expressing anything other than absolute hatred of Andy Gray and everything he does should be immediately arrested and charged under the auspices of Operation Yewtree. It is a perversion.
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Re: BT Sport - home of the Champions League
« Reply #865 on: February 17, 2014, 02:39:05 pm »
Michael Owen is/was probably the worst co-commentator ever
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Re: BT Sport - home of the Champions League
« Reply #866 on: February 17, 2014, 02:41:40 pm »
Owen just talks too much. Needs to learn when to say nothing. The golden rule for any commentator should be to say nothing unless they are adding to the viewer's enjoyment or understanding. Far too many of them (Gray and Owen included) are just way too fond of the sound of their own voices.
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Re: BT Sport - home of the Champions League
« Reply #867 on: February 17, 2014, 02:43:02 pm »
I would say Gary Neville is currently the best football broadcaster on UK television.
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Re: BT Sport - home of the Champions League
« Reply #868 on: February 17, 2014, 02:46:29 pm »
I would say Gary Neville is currently the best football broadcaster on UK television.

As much as I hated him when he first started out I've grown to like him, he's not even biased about his own team anymore and his banter with Carragher makes MNF

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Re: BT Sport - home of the Champions League
« Reply #869 on: February 17, 2014, 03:42:29 pm »
For instance if we were talking about Ron Atkinson right now my posts would be entirely different   ;)

Haha, nobody is springing to Ron's defence.  What's weird, is thant Andy Gray is absolutely 100% misogynistic, but has his defenders, while at the same time I'm guessing we cant conclusively assume Big Ron was racist?

In Star Trek, we had a black captian before a female captain.  In US politics we've had a black President before a female President.  The problem with sexism, is that there will always be differences in between men and women's natures. Contrast that with racism, where there is no diffference between the nature of a black man (or woman) and that of a white man (or woman).

On on the matter of BT Sport- how is that that is still cheaper for me to add BT Sport to Sky Sports package, than to add Sky Sports to my BT package?  They cannot get my broadband custom until they are cheaper than sky for the whole Phone/Broadband/TV/Sports package.

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Re: BT Sport - home of the Champions League
« Reply #870 on: February 17, 2014, 04:11:38 pm »
For instance if we were talking about Ron Atkinson right now my posts would be entirely different   ;)

Interesting.

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Re: BT Sport - home of the Champions League
« Reply #871 on: February 17, 2014, 04:38:47 pm »
Big fan of Danny Murphy as a pundit.......has his own opinions, articulate but not too verbose and has a pleasing broadcasting voice.....very underused by the BBC when you consider the talking heads they employ - Shearer, Bright, Dublin, Keown, Savage etc etc who are all stealing a living...

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Re: BT Sport - home of the Champions League
« Reply #872 on: February 17, 2014, 04:42:18 pm »
As much as I hated him when he first started out I've grown to like him, he's not even biased about his own team anymore and his banter with Carragher makes MNF

What about when Fulham equalized and all he could say was "Oh dear"?  ;D

It was all fine and dandy when Utd were pissing the league last year, but he's showing his true colours this season.
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Re: BT Sport - home of the Champions League
« Reply #873 on: February 17, 2014, 04:43:09 pm »
Big fan of Danny Murphy as a pundit.......has his own opinions, articulate but not too verbose and has a pleasing broadcasting voice.....very underused by the BBC when you consider the talking heads they employ - Shearer, Bright, Dublin, Keown, Savage etc etc who are all stealing a living...

I kind of agree but then my opinion of him is tainted by his views towards a former manager of ours.

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Re: BT Sport - home of the Champions League
« Reply #874 on: February 17, 2014, 07:28:10 pm »
Fucking hell, can't believe the amount of self righteousness on this thread.

Gray did something stupid. He got punished for it. Are the same people arguing against Gray being back on TV also against Suarez getting player of the year as he made mistakes in the past?

Gray is a million times better than the likes of Michael Owen etc.
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Re: BT Sport - home of the Champions League
« Reply #875 on: February 17, 2014, 07:32:39 pm »
He's certainly better as co comentator than as a presenter. We get him here in the Middle East as a presenter.

Absolutely woeful. So is Keys. Still as anti Rafa as ever. Last week he said Houllier got a lot closer to the tile than Benitez did, live on TV (Houllier's best season we finished 2nd 7 points away from top as opposed to Rafa's 4).

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Re: BT Sport - home of the Champions League
« Reply #876 on: February 17, 2014, 07:55:37 pm »
Fucking hell, can't believe the amount of self righteousness on this thread.

Gray did something stupid. He got punished for it. Are the same people arguing against Gray being back on TV also against Suarez getting player of the year as he made mistakes in the past?

Gray is a million times better than the likes of Michael Owen etc.
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Re: BT Sport - home of the Champions League
« Reply #877 on: February 17, 2014, 09:10:57 pm »
In terms of ability, Andy Gray is now very well rivalled by other pundits who have come through the ranks and seemingly without the bad atmosphere. Co-commentators still seems an area he is unchallenged in, everyone else seems to struggle with it whereas he seems to naturally fill that role.

Since his exposure happened in Feb 2011 (I think?) it does seem rather early to come back from that. I am for giving someone a second chance but even leaving aside the short time, 1) BT seems to be trying to sneak him in which makes me uneasy. 2) I haven't noted signs of repentance or lessons learned. If Gray had been doing something to try and make up for it or notable signs of changing or BT came out and said "We want to hire Andy Gray. We know what he did and we know why it upsets people. We have talked to Gray a lot, thought long and hard but we believe..." and explained their decision, I would be far more comfortable with this.

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Re: BT Sport - home of the Champions League
« Reply #878 on: February 17, 2014, 09:16:08 pm »
In terms of ability, Andy Gray is now very well rivalled by other pundits who have come through the ranks and seemingly without the bad atmosphere. Co-commentators still seems an area he is unchallenged in, everyone else seems to struggle with it whereas he seems to naturally fill that role.

Since his exposure happened in Feb 2011 (I think?) it does seem rather early to come back from that. I am for giving someone a second chance but even leaving aside the short time, 1) BT seems to be trying to sneak him in which makes me uneasy. 2) I haven't noted signs of repentance or lessons learned. If Gray had been doing something to try and make up for it or notable signs of changing or BT came out and said "We want to hire Andy Gray. We know what he did and we know why it upsets people. We have talked to Gray a lot, thought long and hard but we believe..." and explained their decision, I would be far more comfortable with this.
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Re: BT Sport - home of the Champions League
« Reply #879 on: February 17, 2014, 09:34:34 pm »
I would say Gary Neville is currently the best football broadcaster on UK television.

i'd agree he is a great broadcaster.

Not a great commentator for me. He may become one, but right now I would far rather have him in the studio.
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