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Spyin' Kop: Manchester United (Away)
« on: March 22, 2008, 01:40:14 pm »
Liverpool v Manchester United
Sunday March 23rd 2008
1.30pm Old Trafford
Referee: Steven Bennett



Sunday sees the Reds take a trip along the M62 to face Manchester United hot on the back of a 7 game winning run. United sit on top of the league with 3 points seperating them from Arsenal who's poor run of form has seen them stutter and let United get the upper hand.

We go their high in confidence and personally speaking I'm confident we can get a result. Preferably 1-0 with Torres scoring the winner, robbing Fred the shithouse in the process (good move about backing out of your £100k Torres/Tevez bet).

Once again, we're joined by Marc and Phil to answer the questions and help us preview the game. Lets hope the game isn't as dull as previous meetings.

Spyin' Kop: What do you make of your season so far?

Marc: So far, it's going well. We've managed to claw Arsenal back during their recent blip to the point that we're now in the driving seat in the league. The added favourites tag makes for a lot of nerves though and you have to wonder if that is too much weight on some very young shoulders. Last year was the first league win since 2003 and we have a lot of new personel since then, so the pressure wasn't on as much.

Now that we're in the position to retain a title, the pressure is that bit more. Players like Nani and Anderson are going to be key during the run in so we have to hope their first season sees them end strongly as both have been key in recent weeks with some of the old timers being off form. The FA Cup defeat was very disappointing as we played well, but we didn't take the chances and that's football.

The Champions League is less important than the league but our fans want to see us press on and show we're at the peak
of Europe as soon as possible and we have a fantastic chance this year.

Phil: Some great football, but too often hamstrung by the manager's inability to stop tinkering. 90% of United fans would agree on our best 11, but I'd be surprised if that team has played together more than half a dozen times this season.

Spyin' Kop: Who have been your best players?

Marc: The whole back four have played well this year. Brown has slotted in fantastically at RB, the Vidic/Rio partnership is looking the best mixture of muscle and ball playing in the league (if not Europe) at present and Evra has been on fantastic form, defensively and in attack.

Carrick is looking the player he was at Spurs now, showing more confidence on the ball and has been the midfield heartbeat of the team in recent months. Then there's Ronaldo, who is surely going to pick up Player of the Season across the board.

Phil: Ronaldo, Evra, Ferdinand, Anderson.

Spyin' Kop: Who have been your worst players?

Marc: At present, Giggs and Scholes look to be off the pace. Probably a mixture of age, injuries and not getting enough time on the pitch but football has no time for longing for the past, so they will have to accept lesser roles.

Phil: Fletcher, Giggs.

Spyin' Kop: How are your summer signings looking. Any change from when we last talked in December?

Marc: Well, he wasn't a summer signing but I called Carrick our worst player back in early December in the last Spyin' Kop and now I'm saying he's one of the most in form. Hopefully that keeps up. Hargreaves has fallen back due to lack of games, he just can't stay fit. Worrying. Since December, Anderson has really stepped up to the plate, including this fixture in December where he gave more experienced players a very tough time. He looks to be very promising but is still figuring out his best position.

Phil: Nani needs more games, he's still diving and making wrong decisions with his final pass. Hargreaves just needs games, we've seen his quality. Tevez is a grafter, and has a knack of nicking important goals, but if the reported £45 million fee at the end of his loan is accurate then he can go, he's just not that good. Anderson gets better and better, still a lot to learn though, but the signs are very promising.

Spyin' Kop: What did you make of the game at Anfield before Christmas?

Marc: The only thing that matters for this one is the result, which obviously went our way. It was a typically cagey game between the two with a bit of tension and a lack of real attacking flair. We contained Torres very well and that seemed to stiffled Liverpool a lot, but we also played Rooney quite deep which took a lot of our edge away. But yes, I was delighted when the whistle went.

Phil: Typical. Dour game, both teams afraid to lose, a draw would have been a fair result so I was ecstatic with the win.

Spyin' Kop: Are you going to win the title this season?
Marc: The bookies say we probably will. I don't predict until the maths is much more favourable.

Phil: In my opinion we're the best team in the League, so we should win it. We're also capable of throwing away a seemingly winning position in true United style.

Spyin' Kop: How do you like your chances in the European Cup this season?

Marc: The best in a long time but there are still so many quality teams left. Rafa has that knack of getting the job done in Europe, Barca have too much firepower to totally discount them, Chelsea and Arsenal are both excellent sides and Roma owe us one. All I'll say is that it's our best chance since '99.

Phil: I'll worry about the Cash Cup when the League Title is decided, if we're still in it.

Spyin' Kop: What do you think of our season?

Marc: It annoys me that you've turned out a good run as I was hoping you wouldn't get fourth, but I think you've done enough to make sure of that. Everton are a good team but I don't think they'll sustain the challenge, unless they win the derby. You could still nick third place, too, but I think second is just too far away given how the teams in front of you would have to capitulate for that to happen. Arsenal possibly, but Chelsea's squad is better than yours and has better history with finishing leagues strongly of late.

Phil: Torres has been a revelation, but as ever your League campaign was over in January.

Spyin' Kop: Any suggestions from an outsider to make towards where we're possibly going wrong?

Marc: I think you know that yourselves. Fullbacks, wingers, another striker and another creative midfielder wouldn't go astray. Maybe Alonso will flourish once more now that Mascherano will be handling the defensive duties, and that would be like a new signing for you.

Phil: Get rid of the Yanks. The Glazers will drive United into bankruptcy, it's only a matter of time. Get rid of Gillett and Hicks before they borrow hundreds of millions and load the debt onto your club. There's only one way these loans get paid, and that's from the fan's pockets. You have an advantage in that they have been seen at games, so keep making your feelings known, never let up, ever. Malcolm Glazer has never been to O.T., so we only ever got to have a go at his idiot sons. I despise your club, but I wish you all the luck in the world getting rid of your Yank scum, I wouldn't wish another Glazer fiasco on anyone, not even you lot.

Spyin' Kop: Does Torres and Gerrard, clicking the way they have scare you, seeing as there's doubt about Rio Ferdinand's participation?

Marc: They're obviously the main threat. Torres is a very good player on a very good run of form. Combine the two, and you've got a real player. He hasn't been so prolific away from home this season, so hopefully that will come into play. Gerrard will surely have more freedom to roam than he had in December, so he'll have to be monitored closely or we could suffer from one of his 30 yard strikes before we know it.

Phil: Doesn't scare me at all, if Ferguson picks the right team we'll win the game.

Spyin' Kop: And if Ferdinand is out (and also, is van der Sar back?), how do you expect to line up?

Marc: If Ferdinand is out, we'll probably shift Brown to CB and O'Shea or Hargreaves to RB, depending how he wants to handle the midfield. Hargreaves may be told to go and sit on Gerrard for 90 minutes, if he isn't in defence. Carrick and Anderson should start, they've been our best combination since December. Ronaldo, Tevez and Rooney should start. He may go for Nani on the left, or maybe Fletcher and compact the midfield with Rooney drifting left. Guessing what Ferguson is going to do is an art in itself.

Phil: If Ferdinand is missing it'll be Brown and Vidic in the middle, obviously a much weaker pairing, so Anderson and Hargreaves will have to work harder to protect them.

Spyin' Kop: Care to make a prediction for the game?

Marc: I'll be as cagey at this as I was in December. 1-0 either way, 0-0 or 1-1. That's what the form books suggest so I'll stick with that.

Phil: Heart says 2 - 1, head says 1 - 1.

Spyin' Kop: Anything else to say?

Marc: You still wouldn't have won the league if you'd had Ronaldo, despite what I've read from some of you on RAWK.

Phil: I hope there's no mither off the pitch.
« Last Edit: March 23, 2008, 07:37:51 pm by Pheeny »

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Re: Spyin' Kop: Manchester United (Away)
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2008, 01:46:21 pm »
Nice Nasty mancs eh?

Marc: You still wouldn't have won the league if you'd had Ronaldo, despite what I've read from some of you on RAWK.

But that just takes the biscuit
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Re: Spyin' Kop: Manchester United (Away)
« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2008, 01:46:27 pm »
Some fair answers there, to be honest.

Nice work Phil..  :wave

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« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2008, 01:46:45 pm »
Nice one, Thanks !

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Re: Spyin' Kop: Manchester United (Away)
« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2008, 01:48:43 pm »
Phil: Get rid of the Yanks. The Glazers will drive United into bankruptcy, it's only a matter of time. Get rid of Gillett and Hicks before they borrow hundreds of millions and load the debt onto your club. There's only one way these loans get paid, and that's from the fan's pockets. You have an advantage in that they have been seen at games, so keep making your feelings known, never let up, ever. Malcolm Glazer has never been to O.T., so we only ever got to have a go at his idiot sons. I despise your club, but I wish you all the luck in the world getting rid of your Yank scum, I wouldn't wish another Glazer fiasco on anyone, not even you lot.

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Re: Spyin' Kop: Manchester United (Away)
« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2008, 01:52:15 pm »
snooty little bastards aren't they?

we need "fullbacks, wingers and another striker and another creative midfielder" do we?!
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Re: Spyin' Kop: Manchester United (Away)
« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2008, 01:54:08 pm »
snooty little bastards aren't they?

we need "fullbacks, wingers and another striker and another creative midfielder" do we?!

I'd say so, Maybe not a striker to an extent but 100% on winger and fullbacks
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« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2008, 01:56:08 pm »
Fair enough

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Re: Spyin' Kop: Manchester United (Away)
« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2008, 01:56:25 pm »
Cheeky c*nts, if we had ronaldo we would win the league but it doesnt matter what players they get, its there manager holding them back in Europe

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« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2008, 01:56:42 pm »
Liverpool v Manchester United
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1.30pm Old Trafford
Referee: Steven Bennett


Wrong way round mate!



Good balanced read that.
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Phil: Some great football, but too often hamstrung by the manager's inability to stop tinkering. 90% of United fans would agree on our best 11, but I'd be surprised if that team has played together more than half a dozen times this season.

I wonder what that would be? Brown at RB I imagine, Ronaldo Carrick/Hargreaves (?) Anderson and Nani across the middle?


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Spyin' Kop: Anything else to say?

Marc: You still wouldn't have won the league if you'd had Ronaldo, despite what I've read from some of you on RAWK.

This I found odd tho. Babel Gerrard Ronaldo with Torres up front? Blimey it would make a hell of a lot of difference. Ronaldo's goals alone since the turn of the year has garnered 8 points, turning 4 potential draws into wins. If only we'd done that.

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Re: Spyin' Kop: Manchester United (Away)
« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2008, 01:57:44 pm »
Or we could say,

'You wouldn't of won the league if you DIDNT have Ronado'
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« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2008, 01:59:46 pm »
I put the badges in order of European Cups. And league titles.

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« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2008, 02:01:22 pm »
I put the badges in order of European Cups. And league titles.

:D Good save
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Re: Spyin' Kop: Manchester United (Away)
« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2008, 02:01:33 pm »
45 mill for Tevez??? no way,that must be rumours,hes good but nowhere near as that good


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« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2008, 02:04:16 pm »
I put the badges in order of European Cups. And league titles.

if they'd 6 european cups(hahahahahah!) and we'd five you know their opinion would suddenly change.

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« Reply #15 on: March 22, 2008, 02:05:05 pm »
Good read but the bell makes out we need half a fucking team
when it's plainly a quater !

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« Reply #16 on: March 22, 2008, 02:10:40 pm »
Straightforward answers, nothing much until that rant over Glazer.
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« Reply #17 on: March 22, 2008, 02:16:19 pm »
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Marc: You still wouldn't have won the league if you'd had Ronaldo, despite what I've read from some of you on RAWK.

We would have walked the league if we'd had Ronaldo....
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« Reply #18 on: March 22, 2008, 02:17:13 pm »
45 mill for Tevez??? no way,that must be rumours,hes good but nowhere near as that good


They must be the same soft c*nts who said we paid £18m for Mascherano!

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« Reply #19 on: March 22, 2008, 02:21:51 pm »
snooty little bastards aren't they?

we need "fullbacks, wingers and another striker and another creative midfielder" do we?!

to be honest, they're pretty decent, considering they're mancs.

But yeh, that part was BS.
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« Reply #20 on: March 22, 2008, 02:37:49 pm »
So now Arsenal's squad is better than ours is it? No one said that at the start of the season.
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« Reply #21 on: March 22, 2008, 02:43:32 pm »
not bad from them.
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« Reply #22 on: March 22, 2008, 02:53:31 pm »
snooty little bastards aren't they?

we need "fullbacks, wingers and another striker and another creative midfielder" do we?!

Yes, we do

Certainly a left back, right midfield is not strong enough, and we need a player to break down those defences who come and park the bus. Width helps you do that.  Would agree we could do with a decent 2nd striker as if Torres was out we'd be fucked, Crouch isn't rated by Rafa and Kuyt and Voroin are certainly no good enough.
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« Reply #23 on: March 22, 2008, 02:58:27 pm »
We wouldn't have won the league even with C Ronaldo in the team?

No, adding the topscorer in the league to our weakest position wouldn't mean a thing... Especially not considering the number of draws we have played. We're talking ~5 goals in the right games and we'd be top of the league.

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« Reply #24 on: March 22, 2008, 03:01:59 pm »
Yes, we do

Certainly a left back, right midfield is not strong enough, and we need a player to break down those defences who come and park the bus. Width helps you do that.  Would agree we could do with a decent 2nd striker as if Torres was out we'd be fucked, Crouch isn't rated by Rafa and Kuyt and Voroin are certainly no good enough.

Depends really. Yes we do need a left back but at the speed Insua is progressing it may not be a new signing that's needed. But it's definitely a problem area. A new striker is important as you say in case Torres gets injured. And a new winger is vital.

But it's the way it's worded. Full backs and wingers and a striker. That's five players and I don't think we're five players away.

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Torres/?

That's 3 players. I think another couple could be helpful in addition but every title winning side has had weaknesses in its squad somewhere.
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« Reply #25 on: March 22, 2008, 03:07:53 pm »


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« Reply #26 on: March 22, 2008, 03:10:02 pm »
Always enjoyable reads these, even if, as others have already pointed out, saying we wouldn't have won the league even with Ronaldo was a bit rich.

Bit of a side note but personally think we'd have been closer to the top with Agger not being out for so long. Besides being an excellent defender he is a strong link between defence and midfield. Can't really argue with the Ferdinand/Vidic pairing comments, but would like to think Agger and Skrtel will surpass it in the future.
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« Reply #27 on: March 22, 2008, 03:12:52 pm »
Nice read, very fair and not so biased. I enjoyed that, thanks Phil.
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« Reply #28 on: March 22, 2008, 03:31:03 pm »
Nice, weird hearing balanced commentary from them.

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« Reply #29 on: March 22, 2008, 03:33:42 pm »
A decent read this one. Thanks to Mark and Phil for the answers and to Phil for putting it together.
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« Reply #30 on: March 22, 2008, 03:56:37 pm »
Weird seeing them so uninterested in the CL, I'd have thought that would have been a priority for them.
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« Reply #31 on: March 22, 2008, 03:59:25 pm »
I enjoyed that. Hatred AND respect and some decent, well rounded answers.

This bit just bemuses me though:
Phil: I'll worry about the Cash Cup when the League Title is decided, if we're still in it.
(It's the fucking European Cup FFS mate.)

This bit though, just scares the living piss out of me. Fair play to the fella for his answer:
Phil: Get rid of the Yanks. The Glazers will drive United into bankruptcy, it's only a matter of time. Get rid of Gillett and Hicks before they borrow hundreds of millions and load the debt onto your club. There's only one way these loans get paid, and that's from the fan's pockets. You have an advantage in that they have been seen at games, so keep making your feelings known, never let up, ever. Malcolm Glazer has never been to O.T., so we only ever got to have a go at his idiot sons. I despise your club, but I wish you all the luck in the world getting rid of your Yank scum, I wouldn't wish another Glazer fiasco on anyone, not even you lot.


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« Reply #32 on: March 22, 2008, 04:06:06 pm »
Yeah, his bit at the end of "I despise your club, but I wish you all the luc in the world getting rid of your Yank scum, I wouldn't wish another Glazer fiasco on anyone, not even you lot" really shook me.
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« Reply #33 on: March 22, 2008, 04:12:17 pm »
Phil: Get rid of Gillett and Hicks before they borrow hundreds of millions and load the debt onto your club.

Hate to hark on about this bit, but that's already happened. Anyway, back to the subject.

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Re: Spyin' Kop: Manchester United (Away)
« Reply #34 on: March 22, 2008, 04:21:11 pm »
Cheers Phil - I'm sure you had to go through a lot of rubbish answers to find two decent ones.

If it acts like a cock and a banner appears on the kop with its name written down the shaft of a cock, it probably is...

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Re: Spyin' Kop: Manchester United (Away)
« Reply #35 on: March 22, 2008, 04:21:23 pm »
I despise your club, but I wish you all the luck in the world getting rid of your Yank scum, I wouldn't wish another Glazer fiasco on anyone, not even you lot.

I utterly despise them and their club too - but I respect that.

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Re: Spyin' Kop: Manchester United (Away)
« Reply #36 on: March 22, 2008, 04:23:05 pm »
cheers! Good read..
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Re: Spyin' Kop: Manchester United (Away)
« Reply #37 on: March 22, 2008, 04:28:13 pm »
I forgot about that 100K bet!  ;D
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Re: Spyin' Kop: Manchester United (Away)
« Reply #38 on: March 22, 2008, 04:32:08 pm »
We wouldn't have won the league even with C Ronaldo in the team?

No, adding the topscorer in the league to our weakest position wouldn't mean a thing... Especially not considering the number of draws we have played. We're talking ~5 goals in the right games and we'd be top of the league.

We can also look at it the other way, take away Ronaldo from them and they would be in a UEFA Cup spot at best.
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Re: Spyin' Kop: Manchester United (Away)
« Reply #39 on: March 22, 2008, 04:36:37 pm »
They must be the same soft c*nts who said we paid £18m for Mascherano!

But if Liverpool had paid 18 millions for Mascherano, it would be good paid because he is an awesome player and one of the best if not the best in his position. 40 millions for Tevez is a bad joke.
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