Topic: A Song of Ice and Fire

[G a r y]

My kindle says I'm 39% through the fifth book. I'm seriously considering staying up and reading it all through, I can't put it down!!! Life of a teacher in the summer holidays eh!

[jooneyisdagod]

Just finished A Storm of Swords. 

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Was happy Catelyn died.  Condescending little twat. 

And I really didn't think Littlefinger's hand in all of this would be as large as it was. 

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[Malaysian Kopite]

Finished ADWD.

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Jon 

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[macca007]

Just finished A Storm of Swords. 

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Was happy Catelyn died.  Condescending little twat. 

And I really didn't think Littlefinger's hand in all of this would be as large as it was. 

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Ive not long finished it but I dont think im being thick here but wasnt she still alive but couldnt talk as she'd had her throat slit with the bandits?

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[Niru Red4ever]

Just finished A Storm of Swords. 

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Was happy Catelyn died.  Condescending little twat. 

And I really didn't think Littlefinger's hand in all of this would be as large as it was. 

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Hold your horses; you will be wishing later that the character was alive

[Redcap]

Finished ADWD.

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Jon 

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I wouldn't worry too much about that one.

[jooneyisdagod]

Hold your horses; you will be wishing later that the character was alive

I was just getting tired of her going ''Oooh Robb thinks he is a King but he is actually a kid'' or constantly calling others on their follies while committing her own as and when she pleased.

[jooneyisdagod]

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Ive not long finished it but I dont think im being thick here but wasnt she still alive but couldnt talk as she'd had her throat slit with the bandits?

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My understanding is that is isn't that she is alive.  More like a wight except she isn't trying to kill wantonly and wasn't raised by the Others if you get my drift.

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[Malaysian Kopite]

I wouldn't worry too much about that one.

How so?

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How so?

It's just a classic George R. R Martin cliffhanger, he's done it time and time again and I doubt he'd be killing off this character at this point, particularly when they're so heavily involved in so many of the conspiracy theories. At least not permanently anyway.

[SamAteTheRedAcid]

It's just a classic George R. R Martin cliffhanger, he's done it time and time again and I doubt he'd be killing off this character at this point, particularly when they're so heavily involved in so many of the conspiracy theories. At least not permanently anyway.

In the back of the book where the houses are all listed, he is not marked as deceased like the other, definitely perished, characters are.

[Niru Red4ever]

I was just getting tired of her going ''Oooh Robb thinks he is a King but he is actually a kid'' or constantly calling others on their follies while committing her own as and when she pleased.

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I meant to say I would have preferred her to be alive than become that undead. Dying hasn't made her easier to tolerate.

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[Malaysian Kopite]

In the back of the book where the houses are all listed, he is not marked as deceased like the other, definitely perished, characters are.

Isn't that the status of characters at the beginning of the book?

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On Jon, I think he really is dead, BUT much like the Varamyr ,the warg in the prologue, he's merged with Ghost and can take on other shapes as well. Here's the best part, I(like many others) believe that Jon is Rhaegar's son, and because of his connection with the dragons due to this, he can and will take the form of one of Dany's dragons.

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[Malaysian Kopite]

Just took a look at the ASOIAF Wiki, didn't realise there are only going to be two more books. That'll leave a gap in my life for sure, even with the series.

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Isn't that the status of characters at the beginning of the book?

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On Jon, I think he really is dead, BUT much like the Varamyr ,the warg in the prologue, he's merged with Ghost and can take on other shapes as well. Here's the best part, I(like many others) believe that Jon is Rhaegar's son, and because of his connection with the dragons due to this, he can and will take the form of one of Dany's dragons.

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I think writing his POV as a wolf or a dragon for many chapters would be difficult, and probably eventually quite annoying to read. It is one of the theories going around but I hope it won't be this way.

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The possibility that there are only 2 books left is most definitely a good thing and not a bad thing. This series was originally to be only 3 books long and since then he's massively extended it. It's not unthinkable that it will be extended again because he hasn't got enough room to conclude it. There are still a million loose ends to tie up and as often mentioned, the guy is not getting any younger.

[jooneyisdagod]

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I meant to say I would have preferred her to be alive than become that undead. Dying hasn't made her easier to tolerate.

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Ah fair enough. 

[Draex]

Isn't that the status of characters at the beginning of the book?

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On Jon, I think he really is dead, BUT much like the Varamyr ,the warg in the prologue, he's merged with Ghost and can take on other shapes as well. Here's the best part, I(like many others) believe that Jon is Rhaegar's son, and because of his connection with the dragons due to this, he can and will take the form of one of Dany's dragons.

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Jon and Dany will end up together uniting the houses of Ice and Fire. (in my opinion)

Does anyone think the last book isn't fully Martins work? It just felt all a little bit random and sketchy.

[JoeCole]

Dany will never make it to Westeros. Or if she does, she'll die quickly.

[Malaysian Kopite]

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Nah, think she'll make it personally, but I expect Aegon to be crowned. I think its going to end up with all the rightful rulers in their places, Bran at Winterfell, Tyrion at Casterly Rock, Stannis at Storm's End , Dany at Dragonstone and Aegon will sit on The Iron Throne. Or they'll probably all be killed off.

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My name is Theon , it rhymes with....erm....

[Rusty Oysterburger]

Dany and Jon is the obvious neat outcome but people seem to be forgetting that GRRM is ruthless bastard and completely averse to happy endings.

A more likely ending from him is all the Starks and Targ's will be dead and Bolton will be on the throne.

[Malaysian Kopite]

Dany and Jon is the obvious neat outcome but people seem to be forgetting that GRRM is ruthless bastard and completely averse to happy endings.

A more likely ending from him is all the Starks and Targ's will be dead and Bolton will be on the throne.

Wouldn't mind seeing something like that. Love all the cunning fella's ( Tywin , Tyrion, Bolton , Littlefinger and Varys)

[Draex]

Dany and Jon is the obvious neat outcome but people seem to be forgetting that GRRM is ruthless bastard and completely averse to happy endings.

A more likely ending from him is all the Starks and Targ's will be dead and Bolton will be on the throne.

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He has an obvious soft spot for Jon Snow though - you know this is his anti-hero.. He has built him continually over the books, he aint dead either - he will become stronger.. Jon's journey isn't yet complete

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[Rusty Oysterburger]

Wouldn't mind seeing something like that. Love all the cunning fella's ( Tywin , Tyrion, Bolton , Littlefinger and Varys)

I always forget about Littlefinger, he's been relatively quiet for a couple of books but I think he's planning something huge. He's a conniving little shit and is slowly building up a big power base. Can he legally become King?

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He has an obvious soft spot for Jon Snow though - you know this is his anti-hero.. He has built him continually over the books, he aint dead either - he will become stronger.. Jon's journey isn't yet complete

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Definitely agree with you there, no way is he gone for good. Whether he'll survive the series is another question, I think he's still very prone to naivety/blind honour. He'd end up like his dad if he tried to get involved in the game of thrones.

[Malaysian Kopite]

He'd end up like his dad if he tried to get involved in the game of thrones.

The Watch takes no part 

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So we still haven't learnt who got Ser Mandon to attempt to kill Tyrion at the Blackwater. Also, what of Ramsay's letter? Is Stannis really dead? I've read the short excerpt of TWOW, but that could be set just before Stannis got killed/ Mance got captured

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[Draex]

I think for the last few books Martin simply tried to re-write far too much.. He introduced too many new faces and totally changed the dynamics of the story and the pace, it was like starting again with back stories and learning new histories - he really needed to have some of these characters (Dorne) in from the beginning.

I do think the whole "Game of Thrones" that we are seeing as the main plot line currently wont be the climax of the show.. The wraiths are the main enemy for me, everything else is a side show. That's why I believe Dany will come to Westeros eventually, the dragons are the key (fire) to breaking the wraiths (ice) hence me suggesting an alligence between Dany and Jon.. A song of Ice (Jon) and Fire (Dany) etc..

[tray fenny]

There are a few high points though. And one point where I literally punched the air and screamed 'FUCK YEAH!' while followed by the biggest 'OMG WHAT THE HELL JUST HAPPENED' within the span of half a page.

I know THAT page. Just reading the books epilogue, a Feast for Crows awaits beside me.

[Red James]

Rumours that the next book will explore the Land of Always Winter. If true then it should be really interesting if that's where the Others have been coming from and there's pretty much no information about the place at all.

[JoeCole]

Hopefully if we're going that far North we'll get to see something of Benjen Stark.

Refuse to believe he is just dead and gone, gets brought up too much.

[Red James]

Hopefully if we're going that far North we'll get to see something of Benjen Stark.

Refuse to believe he is just dead and gone, gets brought up too much.

I'm guessing he disappeared deep North and will turn up again.

[Rusty Oysterburger]

There is that rumour Benjen is

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Coldhands. Not sure I believe that myself

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[Redcap]

I reckon he's dead. His second life (one way or the other) is very much a fan created one.

I feel more or less the same, regrettably, about the Greatjon making a huge comeback.

[Malaysian Kopite]

I reckon he's dead. His second life (one way or the other) is very much a fan created one.

I feel more or less the same, regrettably, about the Greatjon making a huge comeback.

The series already shows that the Greatjon won't have a big part to play anymore.

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Where are Rickon and Osha? Greywater's Watch?

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The series already shows that the Greatjon won't have a big part to play anymore.

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Where are Rickon and Osha? Greywater's Watch?

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Actually in the series the character playing the Greatjon had other commitments, so he was written out of season 2. That alone shouldn't rule him out of another part to play.

[Malaysian Kopite]

Actually in the series the character playing the Greatjon had other commitments, so he was written out of season 2. That alone shouldn't rule him out of another part to play.

True enough, but in ASOIAF, loud, tough and larger than life characters generally have a rather short life expectancy. Its the quiet and cunning ones that do well.

 

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Where are Rickon and Osha? Greywater's Watch?

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True enough, but in ASOIAF, loud, tough and larger than life characters generally have a rather short life expectancy. Its the quiet and cunning ones that do well.

 

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Where are Rickon and Osha? Greywater's Watch?

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http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Rickon_Stark

[Studog]

Just reading DwD at the moment and I'm enjoying most of it, but every now and then I hit a Bran chapter where I struggle a little. Anyone else find this? A certain character just makes you fall back a little? It used to be Catelyn. I'm hoping the same thing happens with Bran as it did with Sansa, I thought from mid CoK she got to be one of my preferred characters.

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Really enjoying Tyrion being on his way to Volantis, really looking forward to seeing how the visualise here and Braavos as well in the series. The free sities and Essos and Sothyros really intrigue me as places, hoping to read more about the Jade Sea and Asshai in the next few books, has GRRM given any hints?

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[Malaysian Kopite]

Just reading DwD at the moment and I'm enjoying most of it, but every now and then I hit a Bran chapter where I struggle a little. Anyone else find this? A certain character just makes you fall back a little? It used to be Catelyn. I'm hoping the same thing happens with Bran as it did with Sansa, I thought from mid CoK she got to be one of my preferred characters.

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Really enjoying Tyrion being on his way to Volantis, really looking forward to seeing how the visualise here and Braavos as well in the series. The free sities and Essos and Sothyros really intrigue me as places, hoping to read more about the Jade Sea and Asshai in the next few books, has GRRM given any hints?

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Bran only has a few chapters. All of them are in the first third of the book so you don't have to worry.

[pepe_carra_stevie_nando]

Just reading DwD at the moment and I'm enjoying most of it, but every now and then I hit a Bran chapter where I struggle a little. Anyone else find this? A certain character just makes you fall back a little?

Just over half way through A Feast For Crows and it's Sansa and Brienne chapters that do that for me.

[jooneyisdagod]

Find Bran annoying to be honest.  Right from the A Storm of Swords as well.  Must run in the Stark household I guess.  Never liked anyone's chapters that much.  Even Arya's whose character is immensely likable otherwise.  Reading through her chapters is tough however. 

[Draex]

Find Bran annoying to be honest.  Right from the A Storm of Swords as well.  Must run in the Stark household I guess.  Never liked anyone's chapters that much.  Even Arya's whose character is immensely likable otherwise.  Reading through her chapters is tough however.

Bran is annoying because its seeing his events through a childs eyes - thus niave and frustrating. He will be a key player in the fight v's the Others, hence the need for his back story to continue.

I'm a bit disapointed Martin is spending so much time on the series, he isn't getting younger and there is still minimum another book to start after he finishes the next installment.