Topic: Shogun (TV Mini Series 2024)

[RedSamba]

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https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2788316/






1 episode in and I'm hooked. Have you watched it?

[Sangria]

Excellent so far. The best explanation I've seen of how it's an improvement on the 1980 series is that it gets the protagonist right. Blackthorne is the POV character. But Toranaga is the protagonist, the central character around whom the whole story revolves.

[meady1981]

Excellent so far. The best explanation I've seen of how it's an improvement on the 1980 series is that it gets the protagonist right. Blackthorne is the POV character. But Toranaga is the protagonist, the central character around whom the whole story revolves.

I've said this in the TV thread, but feel like I need some validation.
I think they've got everything spot on. Except Blackthorne. He's just an idiot.
It's still great, but it could have been really great.

[afc tukrish]

I've said this in the TV thread, but feel like I need some validation.
I think they've got everything spot on. Except Blackthorne. He's just an idiot.
It's still great, but it could have been really great.

Validated there, and here...

Blackthorne in the tv series isn't much like the character in the book...

[Sangria]

The Fly, a story by George Langelaan. From wiki:
"The film tells the story of a scientist who is transformed into a grotesque human–fly hybrid after a common house fly enters unseen into a molecular transporter with which he is experimenting, resulting in his atoms being combined with those of the insect."

[afc tukrish]

The tea house scene...

[Sangria]

The tea house scene...

The negotiation too. I could watch Fuji forever.

[The G in Gerrard]

Agreed loving the show except Blackthorne.

[afc tukrish]

Agreed loving the show except Blackthorne.

Pretty much where I am as well; some of the other parts of the show that vary a bit from the book are really well done.

Blackthorne being a sort of slapstick, gag-reel boy does not work at all...

[The G in Gerrard]

Blackthorne being a sort of slapstick, gag-reel boy does not work at all...

Agreed. The actor himself just doesn't cut it for me. The character himself is least interesting in it.

[meady1981]

He’s getting a little less blundering as it goes on and he becomes more impressed by Japan. But he still has a natural resting face of utter bemusement.

[emergency exit]

Been really really into this but was unable to watch the latest episode (#6) as I’m currently vacationing on an island nation that apparently has no access Disney+

Can anyone recommend a free and easy to use VPN?

[Sangria]

Been really really into this but was unable to watch the latest episode (#6) as I’m currently vacationing on an island nation that apparently has no access Disney+

Can anyone recommend a free and easy to use VPN?

As long as you're not too far out in the sticks, you should be find a pub somewhere in Britain that shows it.

[RedDeadRejection]

Loving this. Difficult to follow names due to unfamiliarity but it's really intriguing. Plus the translator girl is bloody beautiful.

[ToneLa]

nahh I like Blackthorne in this

Actor is channeling Tom Hardy bigtime tho

[Baby Huey]

Been really really into this but was unable to watch the latest episode (#6) as I’m currently vacationing on an island nation that apparently has no access Disney+

Can anyone recommend a free and easy to use VPN?

This works without a need for a vpn.

https://fmoviesto.cc/watch-tv/shogun-2024-full-106618.10381333

[Baby Huey]

I see this is still very good. I'm waiting to dl the full season.

[RedDeadRejection]

nahh I like Blackthorne in this

Actor is channeling Tom Hardy bigtime tho

I like him too. Was worried about white washing but he's made to look a bit daft most of the time. Plus he is based on a real historical figure.

[classycarra]

I like him too. Was worried about white washing but he's made to look a bit daft most of the time. Plus he is based on a real historical figure.

what were you worried about?

[meady1981]

what were you worried about?

Tom Cruise

[afc tukrish]

Bleach

[RedDeadRejection]

what were you worried about?

That everything he did would be heroic. Perhaps I meant white saviour. So yeah..tom.cruise

[classycarra]

It's a series about a book. About an English man in Japan. And people were concerned about his whiteness?

[afc tukrish]

It's a series about a book. About an English man in Japan. And people were concerned about his whiteness?

In the 1600s, when it was fairly difficult to, you know, get there and all...

[classycarra]

In the 1600s, when it was fairly difficult to, you know, get there and all...

well yeah, that's the point of the story, right? not entirely sure I'm following what you mean, or what the ... signifies?

the author's a brit, who was held as a prisoner of war by the japanese. would be a bit odd/sort of negate the whole story to remove the angle of the foreigner in japan

just realised Clavell wrote the screenplay and directed To sir with love - been on my watchlist for ever

[RedDeadRejection]

It's a series about a book. About an English man in Japan. And people were concerned about his whiteness?

Its fine to disagree with the point. I honestly thought the white saviour trope could undermine the quality. It hasn't. Book of not this happens all the time with material. Thankfully the makers have a lot of respect for the culture and the book.

[Stockholm Syndrome]

I like him too. Was worried about white washing but he's made to look a bit daft most of the time. Plus he is based on a real historical figure.

Yeah they do well to show that

1) His ignorances is completely wrong and he has come into a land which, in many ways, is significantly more advanced than Europe except maybe in weapons

and

2) He is mostly a pawn for the political intrigue happening for the Regents and those just beneath it

It may shift somewhat, I have only watched 2 episodes so far, but so far he is a fool and just being used for the more important peoples machinations

[classycarra]

Its fine to disagree with the point. I honestly thought the white saviour trope could undermine the quality. It hasn't. Book of not this happens all the time with material. Thankfully the makers have a lot of respect for the culture and the book.

I initially missed your follow-up post where you clarified that you meant white saviour, as opposed to white wash, so it turns out I wasn't disagreeing with your actual point!

[Sangria]

Its fine to disagree with the point. I honestly thought the white saviour trope could undermine the quality. It hasn't. Book of not this happens all the time with material. Thankfully the makers have a lot of respect for the culture and the book.

The implication is that the original show runners could have been leaning in that direction, but with the change of show runner, the emphasis has changed, with an effort to fill the writing room with female Japanese-Americans. Plus Sanada is a Tokugawa Ieyasu and Sengoku Jidai fanboy, and he's been giving his input as well.

[RedDeadRejection]

I initially missed your follow-up post where you clarified that you meant white saviour, as opposed to white wash, so it turns out I wasn't disagreeing with your actual point!

Yeah I understand. My fault.

[classycarra]

Yeah I understand. My fault.

no it was mine mate, you'd already clarified and I'd not read all the replies

[Livbes]

Agreed loving the show except Blackthorne.

Same. Only started it but binged. Accent alone boils my piss

[Sangria]

Same. Only started it but binged. Accent alone boils my piss

What's wrong with his accent?

[afc tukrish]

What's wrong with his accent?

Totally ウール (Ūru)...

[meady1981]

Just realised this is the guy from Twilight Samurai. Excellent Samurai film if you want more Samurai action. And I’m guessing most have seen it, but Blue Eyed Samurai on Netflix was brilliant from earlier this year.

[Gili Gulu]

Loving this. Difficult to follow names due to unfamiliarity but it's really intriguing. Plus the translator girl is bloody beautiful.

She, Anna Sawai is going to be a big star after this, she's fantastic.

I can see her getting Hollywood movie offers.

I think this is really excellent tv, I've bombed through the first 7 episodes in three days.

I'm struck by the similarities between Toranaga and Julius Caesar, great generals and incredibly cunning. You think you've got him trapped and wham he flips the whole situation around and delivers an amazing victory seemingly out of nowhere.

[Livbes]

She, Anna Sawai is going to be a big star after this, she's fantastic.

I can see her getting Hollywood movie offers.

I think this is really excellent tv, I've bombed through the first 7 episodes in three days.

I'm struck by the similarities between Toranaga and Julius Caesar, great generals and incredibly cunning. You think you've got him trapped and wham he flips the whole situation around and delivers an amazing victory seemingly out of nowhere.

She was in the recent Godzilla series, Monarch Legacy of monsters. She’s a stunner. After that I would have thought she was American but I see she was born in New Zealand, raised in Japan and used to be in a girl group there.

[Livbes]

What's wrong with his accent?

It’s like a fake, forced southern accent but maybe it’s more to do with the time set? Cosmo was born in the States but lived in Devon most his life, I’m sure that’s not his own accent/way of talking.

[Sangria]

It’s like a fake, forced southern accent but maybe it’s more to do with the time set? Cosmo was born in the States but lived in Devon most his life, I’m sure that’s not his own accent/way of talking.

Blackthorne has been all over the place, including going to the pilots/shipwrights academy from a young age.

[Draex]

Can't say I've heard any pilots from that age but he sounds like I'd expect, he has got better as a character over time.