Topic: General Manchester City thread

[child-in-time]

RIP Bert


And 20m is way too much for Negredo imo..

[zeven]

Jovetic, Aguero, Negredo (and Dzeko) is an odd striking force. May work out well in an economic sense but seems they're transfer policy has gone from signing the best players back a few years to paying big money for players who, on the face of it aren't that special. Same thing applys with Navas. As I say it may pay off but it doesn't seem like they're improving there squad with any real plan in mind. Short term that front line isn't enough to impact on their title challenge like RVP did on United's last season, long term I don't think Negredo is gonna be there (and probably not Dzeko): Jovetic looks decent but in no way a certainty to excel in the Premier League.

You guys have got it all backwards, which supriseses me because the general knowlegde of football in this forum are very high (i learn stuff in here often) 
 
You dont just get a better team by buying the biggest NAMES, but to buy those players who best fits your team. That is what city do now. The players we signed lack huge egos all of them starving for success all of them have a great down to earth personlities- but they also have great skillsets in the areas we lacked last season.  All signings are well anylised before making a bid Pellegrini knows them very well.

Sure we could sign Cavani for 64 million euros,  a player with similar attributes as Negredo, with only 3 goals more scored last season and 2 less chances missed. would that be value for money? Negredo costs under 17 million, he already know, Navas,Garcia and Silva.

You dont make a team better with big names, but with big players who suits your team and needs.

[zeven]

RIP Bert


And 20m is way too much for Negredo imo..

How is that to much?  Cavani,Falcao,Hulk all went for of 50 million, Suares will go for the same if you sell him?  So please explain how a player who has score more than 1 in 2 goals per game ratio through his entire career is to much? 

PS.
he costs 16.8 million not 20.  Sevilla get 200K for CL spot 500K for winning, so over his contract sevilla can get maximum 20 millions

[El Lobo]

They'll stroll the league by the way.

Aguero, Jovetic, Silva, Yaya, Negredo, Dzeko, Navas, Milner and Nasri is a pretty frightening attacking line-up

[simply_red]

They'll stroll the league by the way.

Aguero, Jovetic, Silva, Yaya, Negredo, Dzeko, Navas, Milner and Nasri is a pretty frightening attacking line-up

Some of those players will probably leave. They'd still have a strong team though. But I wouldn't put money on them winning the league let alone 'strolling it'. United will be favourites in my opinion and Chelsea could mount a good challenge as well.

[Po The Panda]

You guys have got it all backwards, which supriseses me because the general knowlegde of football in this forum are very high (i learn stuff in here often) 
 
You dont just get a better team by buying the biggest NAMES, but to buy those players who best fits your team. That is what city do now. The players we signed lack huge egos all of them starving for success all of them have a great down to earth personlities- but they also have great skillsets in the areas we lacked last season.  All signings are well anylised before making a bid Pellegrini knows them very well.

Sure we could sign Cavani for 64 million euros,  a player with similar attributes as Negredo, with only 3 goals more scored last season and 2 less chances missed. would that be value for money? Negredo costs under 17 million, he already know, Navas,Garcia and Silva.

You dont make a team better with big names, but with big players who suits your team and needs.

If you think Negredo even comes close to Cavani your having a laugh? Cavani is a guaranteed 30 goal a season striker based on his last 3 seasons at Napoli compared to Negredo who has had mixed fortunes.  You have unlimited cash why should it matter whether you pay 30 million more for Cavani When he's clearly the superior player?

Man utd could make 2 signings all summer and If it's Fabregas and bale They'll finish above City. Quality over Quantity.

[El Lobo]

If you think Negredo even comes close to Cavani your having a laugh? Cavani is a guaranteed 30 goal a season striker based on his last 3 seasons at Napoli compared to Negredo who has had mixed fortunes.  You have unlimited cash why should it matter whether you pay 30 million more for Cavani When he's clearly the superior player?

Man utd could make 2 signings all summer and If it's Fabregas and bale They'll finish above City. Quality over Quantity.

Yes they could sign Cesc and Bale. They also might not. Maybe.

[zeven]

If you think Negredo even comes close to Cavani your having a laugh? Cavani is a guaranteed 30 goal a season striker based on his last 3 seasons at Napoli compared to Negredo who has had mixed fortunes.  You have unlimited cash why should it matter whether you pay 30 million more for Cavani When he's clearly the superior player?

Man utd could make 2 signings all summer and If it's Fabregas and bale They'll finish above City. Quality over Quantity.

In attributes and goal scoring Cavani is NOT 35 MILLION better player it just absurd how you can think that. Napoli is a superior team to Sevilla, Serie A worse than La Liga, let's wait and see if Cavani is worth 35 million MORE

Two reason why City not want to be 35 million more, he not worth it, we try to comply for FFP.

Is funny how you first mock city for just buying big names and not players who might fit into the team better contra money.
Now when City dont go after a player because of his name but of different reasons, you mock us for not going after the big names? 
City really cant win either way.  I to underate Negredo, but after listen to Pellegrini who knows him nad this tactics better than any of us i believe its a very astute signing, Sevilla fans speak very higly of him so does other fans in spain, He has great technique,great header an ability to be at the right place always try get into the box, fantastic leftfoot with great power.   oh and he is Hungry  and humble.

HAHA i think  United signing Bale and Fabregras, are chance we are willing to take   hehe You say  Jovetic,ferno and Navas are just making up numbers?  Jovetic and ferno would walk into Uniteds eleven as would Toure,Silva,Aguero.

[El Lobo]

Fucking hilarious to be talking about a nearly twenty eight year old costing £20 million as an astute signing.

[zeven]

Btw, i rate, Aguero, Suraz,Falcao,Ibra,Lewandoski,RVP higer than Cavani.  hes still level one striker but Negredo comes in second tier. with dezko,rooneyBalo,Solvado,Hugain,Benzema.

[Anfield Ed]

Negredo is a very good striker. Sure Cavani is better, however not that much better in terms of the transfer fee both went for.

Negredo relies more on others for goals whilst Cavani is probably the best No.9 in the world thus doesn't need to rely much on his team mates to create chances.

But with City's midfield it shouldn't be a problem as Negredo will get plenty of chances from AM's and wide players.

I also think it is a good point that Negredo knows the spanish players at City thus the settling in period shouldn't be as long.

[zeven]

Fucking hilarious to be talking about a nearly twenty eight year old costing £20 million as an astute signing.

He is in his prime, and if you dont want to pay 50 FUCKING MILLIONS  for a striker hes top notch,  Beneteke will go for 25 million
oh Negredo costs under 17 million untill the addons kick in refer to correct price please

Reason city sign players in their prime is because some acadamy players in this positions will be ready to take over in 3 years time.  City are not a selling club so we dont  have resale value as priority.

[HighSix]

Fucking hilarious to be talking about a nearly twenty eight year old costing £20 million as an astute signing.

Van Persie did ok.

[El_Pistolero]

It isn't really 'astute', but £20-million is a fair fee.

[zeven]

Negredo is a very good striker. Sure Cavani is better, however not that much better in terms of the transfer fee both went for.

Negredo relies more on others for goals whilst Cavani is probably the best No.9 in the world thus doesn't need to rely much on his team mates to create chances.

But with City's midfield it shouldn't be a problem as Negredo will get plenty of chances from AM's and wide players.

I also think it is a good point that Negredo knows the spanish players at City thus the settling in period shouldn't be as long.

Thank you for a common sens post.  its weird that many in here just look at Negredo 17 million oh expensive instead of comparing it to what players in the bracket obove costs. which is 3 times as much

[zeven]

It isn't really 'astute', but £20-million is a fair fee.

In todays Strikers markets, where 3 strikers have been sold for over 50 million until now.  yes i think signing one of la ligas best goal scores for 16.8 in his prime  is just that.  any other season  maybe not.

[PhiLFC#1]

It always makes me laugh how fans of teams always convince themselves how everything their club is doing is perfect haha, we used to do it too, it's a better attitude than what you get on here these days, all people do on here is put down everything to do with the club at every opportunity

[zeven]

It always makes me laugh how fans of teams always convince themselves how everything their club is doing is perfect haha, we used to do it too, it's a better attitude than what you get on here these days, all people do on here is put down everything to do with the club at every opportunity

I  havent seen negredo play much, but im pretty sure hes not three times worse than Hulk,Falcao,Cavani  his stats shows he should go for much much more in todays crazy market.   what i try to defend is simply Negredo is a better signing money wise than Cavani. which you guys dont agree with. 

[Ciara (with a capital "C")]

What I'm most looking forward to this season with City is seeing them formulate a way of playing, a style of play under Pellegrini. Mancini didn't seem to have a blueprint for how his team should be set up and how they should play - it almost felt like they bought massive players, throwing any of them together hoping that some of it would stick. By and large, it did as you would expect it to from some of the quality they had. But there was no sense of a footballing identity, or plan for success on the pitch.

If Pellegrini can come in and say, 'This is how we will play, this is our back up plan' then they will look a much more solid proposition. He's clearly signing players to fit a system which is the right thing to do. If he can implement it early and get the new players settled then it's a joke to think they won't be right up there.

If he really takes them by the scruff of the neck then they might make better inroads into the CL too. CL winners are teams with a solid foundation and a togetherness, with that bit of quality needed to win football matches.

It's a big job but there is a massive scope within City for improvement on all fronts.

[ManchesterBlue]

At the end of he day, if he scores 30 goals next season, he'll have been a bargain at double the price. If he scores 3 goals, we'll have paid too much for him. He seems a sort of old-fashioned bustling centre forward from what I've seen of him, which has been something we've lacked for a while.

[Aido LFC]

I dont undersant the purpose with your post to be honest?
At least City chosed to back off, where Liverpool would have been rejected
Liverpool should not talk about paying over the odds for players, i mean, REALLY
At least City plays in CL. Exactly even the mighty Apoel played CL football, when the great Liverpool football club where watching it on TV.

I try to be humble and show respect while here. (its in my nature) but posts like these only exists as a wind up.

PS.
I do agree City have underperformed in Europe, reason for it, i really dont know, i would guess we werent good enough at least we get new chances, i rather try and fail than not being able to even try

And how long have you been a Man City fan?

[PhiLFC#1]

I'm curious how City fans feel knowing they'll never get the same respect other clubs get when they win things, cos of all the money spent. Same goes for Chelsea, PSG, Monaco

[zeven]

And how long have you been a Man City fan?

Did you play the self irony card or what?   i become a city fan when city was on verge to win their first title,  i like yaya silva and aguero so much and they played the best football. 

[Dale Doback]

I'm curious how City fans feel knowing they'll never get the same respect other clubs get when they win things, cos of all the money spent. Same goes for Chelsea, PSG, Monaco

Who cares. Life isn't about residual respect that you earn through what other people deem legitimate. It's about enjoying that moment, that 'Aguerrooooo', and how that moment comes pales in significance of the moment itself. If we won the league tomorrow, I wouldn't be sat around wondering if people in 20 years time will respect the way we did it

[B0151?]

I'm curious how City fans feel knowing they'll never get the same respect other clubs get when they win things, cos of all the money spent. Same goes for Chelsea, PSG, Monaco

what about bayern munich, real madrid and barcelona? all spend massive amounts of cash, especially in comparison to their competitors in their league. does this lessen their achievements?

[zeven]

I'm curious how City fans feel knowing they'll never get the same respect other clubs get when they win things, cos of all the money spent. Same goes for Chelsea, PSG, Monaco

TBF  we dont really care what other clubs thinks, like you dont either. hate and success goes hand in hand.

[PhiLFC#1]

what about bayern munich, real madrid and barcelona? all spend massive amounts of cash, especially in comparison to their competitors in their league. does this lessen their achievements?

Not the same, they've earned that money over the years

[ManchesterBlue]

I'm curious how City fans feel knowing they'll never get the same respect other clubs get when they win things, cos of all the money spent. Same goes for Chelsea, PSG, Monaco

I thought we got a lot of respect when we won the title, albeit mainly because of the way we won it and who we beat. Plus it's one thing spending money and another thing to win things. To win the PL takes grit and determination from players, good management and often a bit of luck. Chelsea and City have spent the most money over the last 5 years but Chelsea haven't had a consistent run of success. After them, Stoke & Villa's net spend is the highest but they could have been relegated last season.

And you don't really care what other fans think when you win things. It's when you lose things that it bothers you.

[PhiLFC#1]

Who cares. Life isn't about residual respect that you earn through what other people deem legitimate. It's about enjoying that moment, that 'Aguerrooooo', and how that moment comes pales in significance of the moment itself. If we won the league tomorrow, I wouldn't be sat around wondering if people in 20 years time will respect the way we did it

Would be nice though, I could go through life doing whatever I wanted and enjoying myself, but it's nice to have the respect of your peers too

[Snoopy29]

At this point I have respect for Arsenal in a sense, and Tottenham, even if their fans hate us and they are Liverpool's main rivals. Oh, and Manchester United.

Man city and Chelsea are too fake too look at, I don't know why. I can't associate them with being the face of football.

Real Madrid have atleast great deal of history.

[macca888]

Negredo is a brilliant signing. For just on £17 million, he's even better. I just hope you don't sell Dzeko to Spurs. I'm convinced he'd score an absolute bucketful of goals for them if he went there and got played as the main striker. Wouldn't be a problem for you, but I think it would put a serious dent in our ambitions for next season. They'll probably sign Soldado for about £25 million on deadline day and it will be classed by Jim White as the greatest piece of business ever, as he drenches Kirsty Gallagher's tits in his cum champagne cocktail. And I hope he's shit for them.

[PhiLFC#1]

At this point I have respect for Arsenal in a sense, and Tottenham, even if their fans hate us and they are Liverpool's main rivals. Oh, and Manchester United.

Man city and Chelsea are too fake too look at, I don't know why. I can't associate them with being the face of football.

Real Madrid have atleast great deal of history.

Yeah pretty much this, I despise Man Utd unbelievably but have to respect what they've done. Can't say the same for Chelsea and City, I actually don't mind City neither

[zeven]

Would be nice though, I could go through life doing whatever I wanted and enjoying myself, but it's nice to have the respect of your peers too

Respect for the right things yes,  respect for how you are as person and treat others, and how you deal with life. what you do for others and so on, this is things that really mean something, not enterainment. and when you say lost respect it often means jealousy.
I dislike jealousy so i guess i lost respekt for the same personens

[PhiLFC#1]

Respect for the right things yes,  respect for how you are as person and treat others, and how you deal with life. what you do for others and so on, this is things that really mean something, not enterainment. and when you say lost respect it often means jealousy.
I dislike jealousy so i guess i lost respekt for the same personens

I can't say I'm jealous, with what Liverpool have won I don't think that's possible. We've made some unbelievable achievements, and I'm so proud with the way we've done it. I'd love this club if we never won anything again

[B0151?]

Not the same, they've earned that money over the years

I would hazard a guess that those clubs (and a few other big established clubs atmo) have always enjoyed a financial advantage over their rivals and that's how they've got there. It's just on a much bigger scale now. Success requires investment and to compete financially at the top of the table too.

[B0151?]

Man city and Chelsea are too fake too look at, I don't know why. I can't associate them with being the face of football.

Massive difference between City and Chelsea fans. I don't know why anyone would call City fans fake, they've always stuck with their team. Of course they are going to enjoy their success, in fact they probably enjoy it more because of the shite they have had to put up with over the years!

How are City fans fake?

[El_Pistolero]

Massive difference between City and Chelsea fans. I don't know why anyone would call City fans fake, they've always stuck with their team. Of course they are going to enjoy their success, in fact they probably enjoy it more because of the shite they have had to put up with over the years!

Completely agree.

There's been some weird opinions in this thread, sure the money they've spent, and are spending, is obscene and hate that all you want. But knocking everything they do is because of it is all a bit silly. City are nothing like Chelsea if you take away the obvious sugar-daddy bit.

[PhiLFC#1]

The only thing I'm comparing City to Chelsea with is the money, I actually hate Chelsea but think City are okay. Although I dislike some of the fans, I guess it's the ones that are gloryhunters or the ones who have let the money go to their head

[RedHopper]

I promised a fellow blue to post this. regarding FFP/transfers and so on

Amortisation saved on players per year - £21.5m (Tevez, RSC, K.Toure, Balotelli, Maicon, Bridge)
Wages per season - £39m
£32m combined transfer fees (Tevez and Balotelli)

This is what we have spent/ will spend over the next four years assuming all four signings sign 4 year contracts worth £75k pw.

Amortisation spent - £20.5m (Negredo, Jovetic, Fernandinho and Navas costing around £82m)
Wages per season - £15.6m

We have saved £1m per season in amortisation costs and £23.4m in wages. Plus the new contracts for Aguero, yaya, Silva, Zaba etc which will reduce the amortisation costs for FFP and (if reports are true) the basic wages.

//
Mancitizens

That's all well and good, though I think it's optimistic that those players are on an average of £75k a week, and it's doubtful that the wages on those new contracts will go down. But you're only fiddling at the edges. In 2011-12 man city's wages were about 90% of their turnover, expenses were another 25%, and amortization was another 35% of turnover. This explains how city made a thumping great loss o £100 million. It's true that city have moved on two expensive and troubled forwards, and tidied up their squad a bit, but the financial benefits are pretty much wiped out by spending such an absolute fortune on new players.

[zeven]

That's all well and good, though I think it's optimistic that those players are on an average of £75k a week, and it's doubtful that the wages on those new contracts will go down. But you're only fiddling at the edges. In 2011-12 man city's wages were about 90% of their turnover, expenses were another 25%, and amortization was another 35% of turnover. This explains how city made a thumping great loss o £100 million. It's true that city have moved on two expensive and troubled forwards, and tidied up their squad a bit, but the financial benefits are pretty much wiped out by spending such an absolute fortune on new players.

You do know Navas,Negredo,Ferno and Jovetic  DOUBLED their wages when they signed for city?  its a reason ALL big earners except Yaya,Silva and Aguero has been shown the door and Barry,lescott,dezko  if they want 1 year extantion need to go down massivly in wages.
City have already cut their wage bill with 21%  Tevez wages only were more than Navas,Negredo nad Ferna together. then count Balos,RSC,Bridge,Toures and Maicons.  Lescotts decrease in his salary.