Topic: Man Utd 1 Liverpool 0 post game

[AriGold]

Bullshit. They didn't have a shot on goal until the last ten minutes, besides the "peno".We had far more attacking intent before SG got sent off. We're a team 4 points from relegation and clearly lacking in confidence, they're top of the table undefeated. We had 10 men for over an hour. Was a great display to restore confidence.

What exactly were you expecting? A 4-0 mauling at OT??

Spot on.

[chinesereds]

People saying we created nothing, what the hell did they create?

Berbatov created a penalty with his twat teammate Webb

[rakey_lfc]

Was NOT a penalty... Fuckin robbed.
As for the game...Another poor performance...
I really hope Kenny sells half of the first team and inject some new blood. I have gone on for ages why I think the problem isnt the Managers, but is the players... I just dont think we are good enough.

To an extent I agree with you.

Firstly my disagreements: Felt it wasn't as poor as you suggest, when you think we had 10 men for about an hour. Performance was better then any under Roy in the last 6 months or so, but still not amazing or to the standard many want from a Liverpool team.

That said I agree with the fact that there is too many average players in our team. Look at our 11 today and realistacally theres 3 players there that would get into any other top 4 team. Reina, Gerrard and an on form Torres. I like alot of our players such as Maxi, Lucas, Kuyt and Merieles. Bottom line at the moment is they are not good enough for a team who wants to compete top four.

Now I'm not saying get rid asap. I think 2 of the 4 players mentioned have vastly improved in their time with us but are they really still good enough? The end of the day the squad needs a major investment. If you have £10million to get 2-3 players you end up buying players who are actually worth £3million? (which is what we've had to deal with over the past few transfer windows) Whereas £10million for one player your getting a higher valued and in theory a better quality of player. We need investment, but if Kenny is only here for 6months will he be given big £'s to spend?

That said, the players we've got, we've got. Roy didn't get the best out of them for me which is what ultimately cost him the job. He used players wrong and even in wrong positions, something which I feel Kenny will not do.

After todays performance I'm confident Kenny will sneak us up the table to the Europa places, which is what we need on the pitch. Then hopefully NESV will put their money where their mouth is and start to invest.

[redblack7]

rioferdy5 Rio Ferdinand
By the way I never told howard webb to send gerard off I just said I thought it was a 2footed tackle... #justsaying


TWAT

Two footed = red card. Knew exactly what he was doing

Course he did.He's a complete cnut.Webb should have given him a yellow card for trying to get Gerrard sent off.Why is it that the scum are allowed to blow fuses ,bitch and moan to the ref for 90 mins and nothing is ever done or said?Oh,right.It's them.Fucking sickening.

[JohnHobbes]

Totally agree Agger made it easy for Webb, by challenging Berbatov it gave him the opportunity to dive, i wonder if we shall see a Walcott style apology, i think not

First 30s, to go to ground like that then HW should have consulted his linesman rather than going gung ho.

[Sasquatch]

The second half, we HAD to go forward, and some of the players did, but the quality how they did it was poor.  improve he team.

10 men? Away against Man Utd and you think it was poor?

Fuck me.

[jimmyjr86]

set up like this and play like we did today for the rest of the season and we will be fine

[shelovesyou]

I agree it was never a pen... And I question the sending off. The second half, we HAD to go forward, and some of the players did, but the quality how they did it was poor. The effort was there I think, which is the 'Kenny' effect. We had a couple of chances, but the Mancs had many more.
Yes I suppose it was a small improvement, especially on the effort, but I just dont think the quality was there. Harsh as it sounds, I do not think our best 11 are that good. And that is my opinion. We will vastly improve whn the owners provide funds to the Manager to improve he team.

Whilst I can appreciate your views there mate I think a lot of our players are suffering from confidence issues, and you cant blame them, but that today will help them enormously.

[Wot_Shanks_would_Say]

People saying we created nothing, what the hell did they create?

that's hardly the point is it jeff, we cant go around being happy with being as crap as the other team.

[bleedsred1978]

Totally agree Agger made it easy for Webb, by challenging Berbatov it gave him the opportunity to dive, i wonder if we shall see a Walcott style apology, i think not

Aplology....

Think we will be waiting a long time for that one.

[Alan_X]

Give what a rest?! I am saying we were the same today as we have been all Season... You think we suddenly played well today?! The whole game was quite poor. The Mancs play was bad and so was ours... It was a poor game.

Bizarre to say the least. The same as all season? So we were standing in two static lines of four in a 4-4-2 and hooting balls over the midfield? We weren't pressing them at all?...

Like I say... Bizarre

[bleedsred1978]

that's hardly the point is it jeff, we cant go around being happy with being as crap as the other team.

Can you count to eleven?

[Ryan M]

First half we played some good football. The tactics put into place before the game was wiped out by Howard Webb. Every single season he referee's us under difficult circumstances. He has a reputation that he is biased against Liverpool. However short sighted that is, it should not conclude the FA's position. They understand the situation and he is constantly picked to referee us in high intensity matches, despite moans from our side. Anyways even though we lost today I don't want to discuss Howard Webb.

First half we controlled the game, then the first corner from Gerrard missing they hit the post. I witnessed a mix of zonal and man marking. Before the sending half we dealt with their corners.

Second half concluded with basic tactics when with an extra man and leading. United maintained possession by using the wings. Meaning they could stretch our defences.

Overall was pleasing to see some of the football. Look forward to a tough match vs Blackpool. With this mentality of taking the game to the opponents we will gain more points.

Welcome back Kenny. You made us proud.

[shelovesyou]

Any video of the press conference going please ?

[hesbighesred]

I just reckon Johnson still has yet to deliver in any meaningful way. We've havn't got the time for him to maybe live up to his potential. I think he's technically excellent but his positional sense, concentration, and for a big lad, his heading ability are medicore at best.

Anytime I see Kelly in that position he looks composed in defence and looks comfortable bursting down the line. With some games under his belt his composure will develop. Also, I've seen him put in a few excellent crosses in the past.

I do like Johnson I'm just running out of patience with him a bit lately and see no reason for Kelly not to retain his place.

Plus I don't think we have to worry to  much about teams coming to Anfield to park the bus at the moment. Every team we play is trying to beat us, home or away. So I'll take defensive sturdiness over potential attacking threat for the time being.

I see what you're saying, but I very strongly feel this is a product of Hodgson's tactic. If we play like we did today a team trying what, EG, Blackpool did against us would get absolutely ripped to shreds. Next season on I fully expect, with the addition of some good, young, technical players, that our problems will go back to what they have been for most of the last 6 seasons. If that's the case then Kelly's limitations going forward will be a far more consistently limiting factor than his failings in defence - failings which are only really exposed in games where teams are on top of us, which really should be very, very few games. Again, I refer back to Arbeloa - if we'd had GJ that season instead I think we would have made up those extra 4 points - and again, thinking back to the start of last season against teams like Stoke, Hull and Bolton and the difference he made to our attacking play was crystal clear.

Great post in response though, I enjoyed reading that.

[redblack7]

Looks like they're doing great business on rose-tinted-specs.com. This performances was at best on a par with the first game of the season vs arsenal. We have been much better e.g vs chelsea and spurs. Come on, kenny or no kenny we were still crap today. Still creating virtually nothing. It goes without saying that webb cost us and gerrard was a silly sausage but we were still crap.

Garbage in garbage out then.

[El Rey, por favor]

Bizarre to say the least. The same as all season? So we were standing in two static lines of four in a 4-4-2 and hooting balls over the midfield? We weren't pressing them at all?...

Like I say... Bizarre

What makes it even more the more bizarre, is the fact that KK had only worked with the team for what a few hours? The preparation was done by Sammy Lee and probably Roy, no fucking wonder we wasn't at our full-flowing best. Encouraging though.

[Cid]

We pressed them up the pitch, we defended well, we gave as good as we got from open play.  Totally different team out there, and has Kenny even had a training session yet? Promising start in my book.

They were lucky, and once again got all the decisions from the referee to let them win despite playing mediocre football.

I've said before, I'll say again, once Bacon face retires they're gonna be in deep shit..his influence on british football is unhealthy, bordering on corruption.

[stevied]

First 30s, to go to ground like that then HW should have consulted his linesman rather than going gung ho.

Thats Webb all over though makes rash decisions, the lino could have flagged to disagree with Webb though

[hesbighesred]

All this hand-wringing over the Munich shouter. Are you all as fucking outraged about the shit they sing about us EVERY FUCKING GAME THEY PLAY?

If not, shut up.

You can't define your own morality by what other people do - someone else being an absolute human turd doesn't make it ok for me to be one too.

[Luke 17]

just got back from the match, hate those fucking mancs with a passion, considering they beat us there fans where shit! seemed like liverpool where the home team!

good performance though from the lads!

[Shark Sandwich]

It wasn't a mistake. It was obvious he would fuck us over at the first opportunity, and he did.

I was trying to be as diplomatic as possible but yeah, you're right. All our paranoia and fears about Webb covering this game were realised...... Within 30 seconds. Disgraceful.

I didn't expect miracles today but I was immensely proud of the lads. It feels a whole lot better losing when you know the man at the helm is the King.

[walshys_mullet]

Nice to see some spirit return. Ok we didnt threaten a great deal but at no stage did it look like we were playing with 10 men.

Proud of the lads.

[shelovesyou]

Kelly did really fucking well today, again, really looks like a player to me.
Why not have him there and get Johnson on the wing ?

[mobydick]

I really hope Fabio gets rid of half of the  team and injects some new blood. I have gone on for ages why I think the problem isn't the Managers, but is the players... I just dont think England  are good enough.

Oh Wrong thread, sorry

[hesbighesred]

I must have been watching a different game first half when their CB's had fucking yards of space by the halfway line when in possession.

I just said we didn't press their CBs, but we did press their CMs and on, which we didn't do under Hodgson. We one a lot of ball through pressing today, something, again, we didn't do under Hodgson, and a difference you could clearly see in terms of how often they were able to get the ball into our box in this game compared with the one earlier in the season.

[JK-3]

We pressed them up the pitch, we defended well, we gave as good as we got from open play.  Totally different team out there, and has Kenny even had a training session yet? Promising start in my book.

They were lucky, and once again got all the decisions from the referee to let them win despite playing mediocre football.

I've said before, I'll say again, once Bacon face retires they're gonna be in deep shit..his influence on british football is unhealthy, bordering on corruption.

Well summed up. Spot on.

[AriGold]

Kelly did really fucking well today, again, really looks like a player to me.
Why not have him there and get Johnson on the wing ?

I'd love to see Johnson on the wing and Kelly right back. Look how good Bale and Coleman are playing after being given the freedom of being a winger.

[Gaz123456]

I thought that Kelly was our best player today. He looks the part.

[-HH-]

I think he's saying Moo-urns.

Haha.

[JK-3]

I'd love to see Johnson on the wing and Kelly right back. Look how good Bale and Coleman are playing after being given the freedom of being a winger.

Hopefully we will take the initiative now Kennys in, it must seem an obvious thing to do when it has pulled of so well for the likes of Bale.

[Vidocq]

that wasnt penalty...fucking Webb! i fucking hate that manc arse licker

HOW THAT WAS A PENALTY?

[AshTJ]

Clearly our best display of the season, even better for the fact it was 10 vs 12 for the majority of the game. Good to see players bursting a gut to get in the box and support Nando. When you consider the team we had during the last 10 minutes of the game ..

            Reina
Kelly Skrtel Agger Aurellio
Kuyt Lucas Shelvey Babel
            Ngog

.. it was good to see we were competitive and even taking the game to them for periods.

[Jimbolinos]

I'd expected an improved performance, a new manager always tends to bring on, especially if they're someone like Kenny but there were a few things that went beyond that.

The formation and tactics, belief even, instilled in the players was telling. Back to a modern, progressive formation [from an 'out of touch' manager] with players playing where they should. At times it was disjointed and a bit panicked, but for the most part, players took the ball and looked for the right pass, not just any pass. It'll take time, but that was a huge plus for me. We just 'looked' better, we looked how a team with our players should.

What I really liked, were the substitutions. Bringing on Shelvey was top-class for the message it sends out to other players. I'd rather have seen babel on for Kuyt as we could've done with Maxi's guile but Kuyt helped Kelly [who was exceptional] out.

It took until the Spurs game to see anything like progress under Roy, it took about 25 minutes today.

[mobydick]

I'd love to see Johnson on the wing and Kelly right back. Look how good Bale and Coleman are playing after being given the freedom of being a winger.

I'd like that too. Just give Glen some room, with some back up. It would be worth a try at least.

[AnnieRoad(Un)Faithful]

We were bossing it until the red card.

The penalty was obviously a total pisstake.

The team looked hungrier, stronger and more passionate in general.

And I was made up to see Agger, Kelly and Aurelio come in.

Well done Kenny...promising start and cheated out of the game.

Welcome back to the King!

[TSC]

By all means attack Webb, by all means moan about the blatant bias and inconsistency, but don't try and tell me that Gerrard's challenge didn't deserve a red, or wasn't a red card challenge, because it really was, all day long and twice on Sundays.

Well I disagree.  As you said you didn't see Rafael's challenge.  Yep there's inconsistency, but I genuinely don't think Gerrard's challenge warranted a red.  A yellow, not a red.  If it was straight on to the player such as was the case with Rafael then yes, it would've warranted a straight red.  But it wasn't.

Anyway, over and done with now.

[hesbighesred]

I've said before, I'll say again, once Bacon face retires they're gonna be in deep shit..his influence on british football is unhealthy, bordering on corruption.

I agree to an extent with that, but it isn't just Fungus, I think a more important factor is money and Sky. Put simply, Man Utd have the most fans, they make the most money for Sky, Sky exists, indeed is legally bound, to make as much money as possible. Ergo, Man Utd success = more cash for Sky, it's as simple as that. What I personally find pathetic is that rivals like the BBC or the Mirror groups (or indeed the Guardian, but I think their own Manchester roots are still showing) don't fund a proper investigation into the positive bias that club enjoys.

I remember a while back a Utd fan on here agreeing completely that his team got away with 4 blatant red card challenges in one game. What other club would get away with that? Paul Scholes is a huge piece of evidence in himself. Just how many reds SHOULD he have had over the years, if his challenges were treated the same as most other players, even other kid-gloves England stars who also get cushty treatment (our own captain most definitely included)? How many suspensions would that have added up to? How many more points dropped if Scholes is missing those games?

The facts would be there to study, I'm pretty sure of it. They did it with Injury time and it turned out that, surprise surprise, Utd do indeed get more of it when they need it than any other club in the league, I wonder how it would turn out if they did it for unpunished challenges and dubious penalties etc?

[stevied]

Well I disagree.  As you said you didn't see Rafael's challenge.  Yep there's inconsistency, but I genuinely don't think Gerrard's challenge warranted a red.  A yellow, not a red.  If it was straight on to the player such as was the case with Rafael then yes, it would've warranted a straight red.  But it wasn't.

Anyway, over and done with now.

The two challenges were totally different Gerrards was a red under the current rules, Rafaels challenge at worse a yellow

[Djimi_Case]

Disappointing as the result was this afternoon the performance gave plenty of grounds for optimism beyond the sheer pleasure of seeing Kenny back in the dugout. There were signs that without the shackles imposed under the previous regime that we might soon get back to playing a high-tempo, pressing and passing game.  Seeing our better ball players (Agger and Aurelio) picked in the starting XI allied to the fact that Kenny was willing to give responsibility to some of the younger squad members in such a massive game bodes well.  Onwards and upwards!

On the 'Munich' issue - the lad caught on camera doesn't do himself or the rest of us any credit by his behaviour - whatever the provocation.  I hope he learns his lesson.