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wednesday25052005 · « **Reply #400 on:** July 8, 2009, 11:17:33 am »

Quote from: shanklyboy on July 8, 2009, 12:34:17 am

The planning application for the increased capacity was supposed to be submitted at the end of June.

Has this happened Shanks do you know?

shanklyboy · « **Reply #401 on:** July 8, 2009, 11:28:24 am »

Quote from: wednesday25052005 on July 8, 2009, 11:17:33 am

Has this happened Shanks do you know?

It's been difficult trying to get a definitive answer.
My guess is, no it hasn't.

Maybe someone on here from the Council planning dept may be able to clarify it though.

redgriffin73 · « **Reply #402 on:** July 8, 2009, 11:32:21 am »

According to the planning section of the city council website there's not been a new application put in as yet.

http://northgate.liverpool.gov.uk/planningexploreraa/

If you put Liverpool Football Club into the applicant name it lists all their previous applications.

The council update their lists weekly too, so hopefully it would be listed here at some point...

http://www.liverpool.gov.uk/Environment/Planning/Planning_applications/index.asp

wednesday25052005 · « **Reply #403 on:** July 8, 2009, 11:34:46 am »

Nice one Shanks - I got a feeling this is going to take a long long long time to come to fruition if it does at all with this pair at the helm

wednesday25052005 · « **Reply #404 on:** July 8, 2009, 11:45:33 am »

We wait and see then rg73

Lolo · « **Reply #405 on:** July 15, 2009, 09:51:07 am »

With the world in deep recession and raw material prices at their lowest for some time I sincerely hope that the yanks are asking for re-quotes on the building costs! Now would be a very good time to tie contractors down to prices.
This time last year steel was quoted at US$900 / tonne. It bottomed out at about US$250/tonne in mid Feb'09 and now it's creaping up to around US$390/tonne.
If we wait another 12 months the price will be £40M or £50M higher than now because we'll be coming out of recession.

shelovesyou · « **Reply #406 on:** July 22, 2009, 07:59:51 pm »

http://www.sportspromedia.com/notes_and_insights/_a/liverpool_fc_stanley_park_stadium_and_tom_hicks_win_praise/

Liverpool FC: Stanley Park stadium and Tom Hicks win praise - SportsPro Media

Liverpool FC: Stanley Park stadium and Tom Hicks win praise22 July 2009 | By David Cushnan | Notes & Insights | Comment | SoccerPopular content

Bryan Trubey, the American architect who designed the new Dallas Cowboys stadium, has hailed the prospective new home of English Premier League club Liverpool as a triumph.

Trubey led his company HKS’ design of a new stadium for the club, owned by American businessmen George Gillett and Tom Hicks. Hicks also owns the Texas Rangers Major League Baseball franchise and has worked extensively with HKS.

“We’ve worked with Tom for over ten years, so I have a relationship with him like I did with (Dallas Cowboys owners) the Jones family,“ said Trubey. “He’s always been a visionary owner that’s totally open to almost anything, and so it was the same kind of experience and you can see the same quality of design work is playing itself out.“

In the case of Liverpool’s new stadium, the construction of which is currently delayed by the club’s failure to secure funding, that manifests itself in The Kop, a standalone behind-goal stand with 18,500 seats. The Kop at Liverpool’s current stadium, Anfield, has carried the name since 1906, and is probably the most famous soccer stand in the world.

“Creating a venue that’s supportive of the team that’s there but intimidating to those that visit it is one of the key elements of design,“ added Trubey. “You can see it a lot in the Liverpool design – as much as in anything we’ve done – the big design driver is The Kop. Man, what a spiritual experience the first time I went to a game there. That group of fans is over the top and unique in the world, and it was an instant inspiration to me to drive the whole design off of that. We obviously had to do a lot of things to be sensitive to the park and the community with exterior form too, and we’ve done that. But that powerful group of fans, that’s probably the number one most phenomenal experience I’ve had in sport globally. I’ve been to a lot of places in the world, but that was easily the number one experience.“

Within hours of leaving his first game at Anfield, Trubey had drawn up sketches including what he describes as a “monolithic structure, disproportionately large.“ The rest of the stadium, which will hold a total of 60,000 seated fans, is distinctive in itself, but Trubey makes no secret of the fact that he sees The Kop as unique.

“Some ideas happen over time, because they’re more complicated, but some are like an epiphany and they seem so right that you’d almost have to ignore them not to listen to them,“ he said. “That whole thing is a good example of how a really good designer or architect can enhance an existing experience that’s evolved over a hundred years, take it into a new building and put it on steroids.“

Despite the continuing delays, the design concept itself was, according to Trubey, a triumph for the company. “Although they’re having a little bit of difficulty - like everybody is right now - with financing, that was a hugely successful project for us. It’s gotten a lot of critical and popular praise.“

TSC · « **Reply #407 on:** July 23, 2009, 08:37:44 pm »

Is that article for real? And is this Bryan Truby taking the piss? Praise for a design? The entire article is devoted to praising the design and waxing lyrical re previously working with Hicks.

And then almost footnote like reference to the fact there is no finance to build the fucker!

You think you've read as much crap as possible on the situation and then this appears.

Unbelievable.

farawayred · « **Reply #408 on:** July 23, 2009, 08:44:17 pm »

The article is a pure PR exercise, imho. If I recall correctly, G&H have to refinance the loan very soon (by today/tomorrow?). Rumor has it that one bank (RBS) is willing to do that, the other (Wachovia) is uneasy about the whole idea. So, here is an article, coincidentally coming out a day or two before, that shows how great the design is... G&H hope to convince both banks in the value of the product they are financing.

t0m · « **Reply #409 on:** August 1, 2009, 05:21:58 pm »

yawn ...... whats the latest

Umbarto · « **Reply #410 on:** August 3, 2009, 04:00:02 am »

The latest is what it's always been... There is no latest.

xerxes1 · « **Reply #411 on:** August 6, 2009, 05:56:00 pm »

Plans for a new 150,000 capacity Barca stadium have been unveiled though,http://www.cnplus.co.uk/5205577.article

Paul · « **Reply #412 on:** August 6, 2009, 11:08:44 pm »

How do 150,000 people get to a stadium that has 1 road in and out - terrorists wet dream?

Or is the road just for the big-wigs, and the rest of them have to swim

nyrrard · « **Reply #413 on:** August 7, 2009, 06:01:59 pm »

I don't know where to write this, but I put it here.
I really liked the new Espanyol stadium. The Lights on the outside looked really cool.

(dont know how to post pics)
Link:
http://www.pericoz.com/attachments/Image/Nuevo_Estadio1.jpg

exiledintheUSA · « **Reply #414 on:** August 7, 2009, 08:34:03 pm »

Quote from: Paul on August 6, 2009, 11:08:44 pm

How do 150,000 people get to a stadium that has 1 road in and out - terrorists wet dream?

Or is the road just for the big-wigs, and the rest of them have to swim

Did you not go to the Attaturk?

j.b.1978 · « **Reply #415 on:** August 20, 2009, 01:11:17 pm »

Quote from: Shanks1965 on May 30, 2009, 08:17:33 am

Not trying to wind anyone or or take the piss. The dust is being blown off the plans.

Is the dust settling back on the plans now that money is back to being tight?

lakes · « **Reply #416 on:** August 20, 2009, 08:49:11 pm »

we should here more on this soon. we might even get a date but theres a few things that need to be sorted outfirst, like the GOV might ask us to use it for Rugby the weekends that we are not using it or share it with a lower team (no not them), if we did we could get some of the Tax off and it would fall into the GOV plans to make the area better.

ttnbd · « **Reply #417 on:** August 20, 2009, 09:54:51 pm »

Quote from: lakes on August 20, 2009, 08:49:11 pm

we should here more on this soon. we might even get a date but theres a few things that need to be sorted outfirst, like the GOV might ask us to use it for Rugby the weekends that we are not using it or share it with a lower team (no not them), if we did we could get some of the Tax off and it would fall into the GOV plans to make the area better.

If that were the case then a new planning permission would have to be sought.

lakes · « **Reply #418 on:** August 20, 2009, 11:59:09 pm »

Quote from: ttnbd on August 20, 2009, 09:54:51 pm

If that were the case then a new planning permission would have to be sought.

lol another hold up. but i think it would be given right away if it met with the GOV's ideas for the area.

redprodigal · « **Reply #419 on:** August 20, 2009, 11:59:59 pm »

Quote from: lakes on August 20, 2009, 08:49:11 pm

we should here more on this soon. we might even get a date but theres a few things that need to be sorted outfirst, like the GOV might ask us to use it for Rugby the weekends that we are not using it or share it with a lower team (no not them), if we did we could get some of the Tax off and it would fall into the GOV plans to make the area better.

Share it with a lower team, use it for rugby, please tell me this is a wind up

lakes · « **Reply #420 on:** August 21, 2009, 11:53:22 am »

Quote from: redprodigal on August 20, 2009, 11:59:59 pm

Share it with a lower team, use it for rugby, please tell me this is a wind up

not sure mate, it was all to do with getting money off the GOv and stuff like that.

but keep in mind how much money it could make if you start to use it for concerts, boxing and other things like that. it might not all be bad, its all money for the club each time its used.
i bet Bolton have made a mint out of some of the stuff they have done.

redprodigal · « **Reply #421 on:** August 21, 2009, 07:57:27 pm »

Quote from: lakes on August 21, 2009, 11:53:22 am

not sure mate, it was all to do with getting money off the GOv and stuff like that.

but keep in mind how much money it could make if you start to use it for concerts, boxing and other things like that. it might not all be bad, its all money for the club each time its used.
i bet Bolton have made a mint out of some of the stuff they have done.

Yeah, concerts, boxing etc. are fine but sharing the ground and the pitch with another team or a rugby club is another thing altogether. If we ever get a new stadium this is a big no no.

TSC · « **Reply #422 on:** August 21, 2009, 11:10:17 pm »

Quote from: lakes on August 21, 2009, 11:53:22 am

not sure mate, it was all to do with getting money off the GOv and stuff like that.

but keep in mind how much money it could make if you start to use it for concerts, boxing and other things like that. it might not all be bad, its all money for the club each time its used.
i bet Bolton have made a mint out of some of the stuff they have done.

WUM

j.b.1978 · « **Reply #423 on:** September 3, 2009, 12:49:12 pm »

Is it feasible that Share Liverpool raise the cash to build the stadium rather than buy the club. They could then rent the stadium to LFC and all profit be given back directly for transfers etc. This would be a one off project, so does not require future investment and the fans own the stadium. I have not put much thought into this but would it be a more realistic project than buying the club?

farawayred · « **Reply #424 on:** September 3, 2009, 07:15:04 pm »

Quote from: redprodigal on August 21, 2009, 07:57:27 pm

Yeah, concerts, boxing etc. are fine but sharing the ground and the pitch with another team or a rugby club is another thing altogether. If we ever get a new stadium this is a big no no.

Concerts are fine? Are you for real? Just ask what happened to the Bulgaria's national stadium after Madonna's concert. The whole area in front of one goal is worse than a wheat field. Now Levski has have to play their UEFA matches in a smaller stadium, and CSKA has no UEFA home (their stadium is not approved). Perhaps Tranmere will be nice to us and rent us their stadium?!

EDIT: Here are a couple of pictures, showing the stadium in "fine form" after Madonna's concert (sorry can't find any bigger images).

Cormack Snr · « **Reply #425 on:** September 3, 2009, 09:05:53 pm »

A brilliant idea.

Quote from: j.b.1978 on September 3, 2009, 12:49:12 pm

Is it feasible that Share Liverpool raise the cash to build the stadium rather than buy the club. They could then rent the stadium to LFC and all profit be given back directly for transfers etc. This would be a one off project, so does not require future investment and the fans own the stadium. I have not put much thought into this but would it be a more realistic project than buying the club?

Manila Kop · « **Reply #426 on:** September 4, 2009, 04:53:22 am »

Quote from: farawayred on September 3, 2009, 07:15:04 pm

Concerts are fine? Are you for real? Just ask what happened to the Bulgaria's national stadium after Madonna's concert. The whole area in front of one goal is worse than a wheat field. Now Levski has have to play their UEFA matches in a smaller stadium, and CSKA has no UEFA home (their stadium is not approved). Perhaps Tranmere will be nice to us and rent us their stadium?!

EDIT: Here are a couple of pictures, showing the stadium in "fine form" after Madonna's concert (sorry can't find any bigger images).

I always thought it was possible to put a platform above the pitch for concerts and other similar events to protect the pitch. I saw pictures of something like that being done with a German stadium, just can't remember which one.

Alan_X · « **Reply #427 on:** September 4, 2009, 07:14:06 am »

The planning approval specifically limits the possible uses for the stadium primarily on the grounds of impact to residents in the surrounding area. The main concerns being noise pollution and traffic congestion.

It can be used for occasional special sporting events but the assumption is that you only get large crowds twenty to thirty times a year (home league games and cup competitions).

I can see how the council might accept ground-share as the two clubs are so close together, there would be little if any impact on the surrounding infrastructure. Getting approval to introduce 15-20,000 people on the weekends we aren't playing or to have concerts going on until 12.00 am on a regular basis is a massive change to the accepted uses and I don't think it would be straightforward at all.

redprodigal · « **Reply #428 on:** September 4, 2009, 10:56:00 pm »

Quote from: farawayred on September 3, 2009, 07:15:04 pm

Concerts are fine? Are you for real? Just ask what happened to the Bulgaria's national stadium after Madonna's concert. The whole area in front of one goal is worse than a wheat field. Now Levski has have to play their UEFA matches in a smaller stadium, and CSKA has no UEFA home (their stadium is not approved). Perhaps Tranmere will be nice to us and rent us their stadium?!

Am I for real? All I meant is the occasional concert in the summer months. I'm sure they've got the means to allow for this kind of thing once or twice a year, maybe not.
Anyway, I was trying to object against the use of the stadium for Rugby etc. This is never going to be an option.
Why am I saying this? We're talking as though the thing is actually going to be built.

farawayred · « **Reply #429 on:** September 5, 2009, 04:01:58 am »

Quote from: redprodigal on September 4, 2009, 10:56:00 pm

Am I for real? All I meant is the occasional concert in the summer months. I'm sure they've got the means to allow for this kind of thing once or twice a year, maybe not.
Anyway, I was trying to object against the use of the stadium for Rugby etc. This is never going to be an option.
Why am I saying this? We're talking as though the thing is actually going to be built.

Fair enough. I just object to using a stadium for different sports in general. Rugby (much like American football) is not a good option, unless the grass is artificial (which is a stupid idea anyway). There is plenty of lessons to be learned from other countries/leagues. Renting a stadium for a concert is a bad idea (I think there were some complaints regarding the Millennium stadium (or was it Wembley, I don't recall). If sharing is the only way forward, football should be the only sport played there; I bet that's the logic the Government is banking on. But I agree with all objections to sharing. Look at San Siro - the grass has to be relayed more often than for a normal use. But then, the Italians have a winter break, when is the grass going to have time to grow in England? I just think that sharing with another club in England will be a disaster for two reasons - weather and lack of a winter break.