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Atmosphere at Anfield
« on: August 18, 2014, 01:25:16 pm »
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RAWK is a huge community, lots of match going reds, lots who cannot make the trip etc, but one thing we must agree on is that on the whole, the atmosphere is no longer special.

I want to get some ideas floating around, maybe use existing avenues that one or two may have to open a dialogue with the club, be it with petitions, the committee, emails with Ayre etc, because something has to be done.

So don't bring negativity please, save that for t'other thread, but join in, sign up, throw some ideas out there. Take your "it will never work" posts somewhere else

A few things that would help in my opinion:

1) The 300s allowed to stand for every game (following some saying they were made to sit) and perhaps creep forward a few rows. It's pretty much agreed that standing helps singing a bit, right?

2) iPads. The Mancs have banned them, so should we. It may be a minute part of the problem, but it doesn't help and shouldn't be encouraged.

3) Sitting together. There should, and surely could, be a system in place whereby mates who weren't lucky enough to get seats together in the sale, can attempt to swap that ticket, be it through an LFC-middle man project or using their membership area to send a request to an (anonymised) member who is sitting next to their mate.

There are loads more things we can do/request/suggest. And if you can't think of any now, just show your support :)
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Re: Lets Improve the Atmosphere at Anfield (split from Fortress Anfield)
« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2014, 01:41:57 pm »
Make a 125 in the Anny an under 25,singing section with a £10 reduction

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« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2014, 01:51:10 pm »
1) The 300s allowed to stand for every game (following some saying they were made to sit) and perhaps creep forward a few rows. It's pretty much agreed that standing helps singing a bit, right?

The club can't be seen to allow it to happen, and in fact have to be seen to stop standing happening.

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2) iPads. The Mancs have banned them, so should we. It may be a minute part of the problem, but it doesn't help and shouldn't be encouraged.

It would honestly do nothing to improve it. The types bringing iPads, those camera stick things, and wearing shite aren't likely to be the ones singing anyway. So banning them bringing them will do fuck all.

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3) Sitting together. There should, and surely could, be a system in place whereby mates who weren't lucky enough to get seats together in the sale, can attempt to swap that ticket, be it through an LFC-middle man project or using their membership area to send a request to an (anonymised) member who is sitting next to their mate.

I agree with this, sitting together will definitely help. I think the club tried to accommodate ST holders who wanted to try and move together, but not sure how easy/feasible it is for single game tickets.


For me, targeting the stupid kit wearing/iPad bringing brigade is pointless, it won't help improve it even if you achieved the goal of getting them banned.

Big games will have a big atmosphere, you saw it last year and you'll see it this year too. Getting mates together will definitely help, so would subsidised beer, so would a section for younger lads, so would a section of tickets sold the week before the game at the ticket office only (sort of like a modern day pay at the gate).

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Re: Lets Improve the Atmosphere at Anfield (split from Fortress Anfield)
« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2014, 01:55:09 pm »
Make a 125 in the Anny an under 25,singing section with a £10 reduction

Maybe small "look the other way" singing areas like the 300s in other areas would help. No way would cheaper tickets come of it I think though.

I'm no acoustics expert but I like it :). I hear what Craig is saying how the club won't actively vocally support it too though.
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Re: Lets Improve the Atmosphere at Anfield (split from Fortress Anfield)
« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2014, 01:56:27 pm »
It's easy just to say the club don't care, they just want people in the shops etc etc, but what is the clubs actual stance on this? Surely valid, realistic points like Craig has just raised are brought up during the supporters meetings?

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« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2014, 01:57:16 pm »
Oh, and imo most of the suggestions that can make the things happen which would improve the atmosphere are probably unlikely to happen in a large enough degree without safe standing making a comeback.

So those wanting a better atmosphere are probably best getting behind FSF and the safe standing campaign.

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« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2014, 02:01:36 pm »
Oh, and imo most of the suggestions that can make the things happen which would improve the atmosphere are probably unlikely to happen in a large enough degree without safe standing making a comeback.

So those wanting a better atmosphere are probably best getting behind FSF and the safe standing campaign.

Definitely. Safe standing areas are the way forward. Look what they've done for the Bundesliga. Also a great way to offer cheaper tickets (well, in theory).

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« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2014, 02:03:37 pm »
Definitely. Safe standing areas are the way forward. Look what they've done for the Bundesliga. Also a great way to offer cheaper tickets (well, in theory).

Potentially cheaper tickets, more chance of pay on the gate/lead up to matches so mates can get together, more opportunity for dedicated areas for younger fans, etc.

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« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2014, 02:08:33 pm »
It's one avenue I agree for sure needs to be further explored. Of course it's an emotive issue but one I'm firmly behind.
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Re: Lets Improve the Atmosphere at Anfield (split from Fortress Anfield)
« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2014, 02:16:06 pm »
When the stadium expansion is complete, they should do a mass relocation of people to/from the kop to ensure its actually people who want to sing.

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« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2014, 02:30:17 pm »
Atmosphere Sunday was painful.  For extended periods of time I could clearly hear all the players' shouts on the pitch.  Can't recall a single song except Saints' supporters "Is this a library?"
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« Reply #11 on: August 18, 2014, 02:39:39 pm »
Is there a way you can directly contact the club in a way that they will pay attention, I think the letters and emails would be ignored, unless they come in the thousands. I'll make it my job to spam them if you will. Any ideas?

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« Reply #12 on: August 18, 2014, 02:40:47 pm »
Is there a way you can directly contact the club in a way that they will pay attention, I think the letters and emails would be ignored, unless they come in the thousands. I'll make it my job to spam them if you will. Any ideas?

Contact and chat to the various appropriate members of the supporters committee, they normally bring up most things with the club during the next meeting.

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Re: Lets Improve the Atmosphere at Anfield (split from Fortress Anfield)
« Reply #13 on: August 18, 2014, 02:40:55 pm »
someone said in the moaning thread that KOP should be with loyalty only, this could be one point and it isnt hard to arrange.

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« Reply #14 on: August 18, 2014, 02:44:05 pm »
It's worthwhile the supporters groups making the economic argument in terms the club might listen to.

Atmosphere is part of Liverpool FC's 'brand'.

It distinguishes the club in a competitive market. To encourage it is to encourage customers fans to contribute to, and entrench, the club's brand - at a cost of virtually no outlay whatsoever (other than the cost of research and implementation of a seating policy).

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« Reply #15 on: August 18, 2014, 02:44:09 pm »
I personally think you shouldn't be allowed to buy tickets on the KOP unless you have been to at least 5 PL games in the previous season.

The whole point of the standing section in the 300's was to get people in that area of the ground who were likeminded, who wanted to stand, sing and make lots of noise. This happened for around 12 months, but then this new members scheme thing comes in and all of a sudden, loads of families, day trippers and the likes fill the 300's up.

The problem then is that you have a group of lads in 304 starting something and then on the other side in 306 another group are starting another song. There's this big void in the middle and the sound doesn't transmit anywhere.

You then get families complaining to stewards in 304 that they cant see so up they come to tell everyone in that block to sit down so then its only 305 & 306 stood up but the majority of them are not singers.

I was in 124 Annie road yesterday even though I went to 18 last season because when I got onto the booking page, the KOP had sold out! I only heard the KOP once at the start of the 2nd half and that was a small murmur from up in the 300's. How can I affect the atmosphere sat on my hands on the other side of the stadium surrounded by people who don't know the words.

Tried to sing Brendan Rodgers song and it was like I was singing about someone who was dead or a song I had just made up on the spot. Nobody knew the bloody words.

This ultimately has to come from the club. Whether they give a shit enough to allow this to happen or not is a completely different matter
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« Reply #16 on: August 18, 2014, 02:49:11 pm »
I personally think you shouldn't be allowed to buy tickets on the KOP unless you have been to at least 5 PL games in the previous season.

I was in 124 Annie road yesterday even though I went to 18 last season because when I got onto the booking page, the KOP had sold out!

So surely those in the Kop had at least the amount of credits as you, or did 18 credits not get priority over those with 5?

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« Reply #17 on: August 18, 2014, 03:03:51 pm »
The Kop should be a privilege and for the most dedicated. If it's treated like a museum feature and not the vital part of Anfield it still is, you're naturally going to get all of these people who are not there to be a part of the atmosphere.
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Re: Lets Improve the Atmosphere at Anfield (split from Fortress Anfield)
« Reply #18 on: August 18, 2014, 03:07:09 pm »
Safe standing in the KOP

We need dedicated sections for fans who want to sing, people only make noise when others are also doing it

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« Reply #19 on: August 18, 2014, 03:09:43 pm »
So surely those in the Kop had at least the amount of credits as you, or did 18 credits not get priority over those with 5?

Only 50% of the members tickets go on sale to people with 14 or more. Not every seat in the stadium is made available to people in that sale so there are only a certain amount of KOP seats made available, even though you have been to more than 14 games. All it does is guarantee you a ticket, not the section or stand you sit in.

I spoke to the woman at the ticket office on the Tuesday morning when I realised I couldn't get any KOP tickets and she said that If I didn't want any in the Annie road or Main, I should 'try my luck' in the all members sale on Thursday.

The club hold tickets back in the KOP too for hospitality and they are often in the low 300's.

I know there were seats available in the late availability sale for the KOP that kept appearing too. 
 
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« Reply #20 on: August 18, 2014, 03:42:42 pm »
It's a sad day when fans of Liverpool FC have to make a thread about improving the Anfield atmosphere, especially after finishing second last year :(

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« Reply #21 on: August 18, 2014, 04:16:23 pm »
This is a really tough situation to solve, yesterday was really poor. Normally one or two step up and start a song but even those seem to have given up now, which isn't surprising when they get sniggered at or photographed when they do.

I suppose at the end of the day it's up to every individual who attends games to encourage singing, it's as much our fault as it is the clubs.

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« Reply #22 on: August 18, 2014, 04:19:14 pm »
I'll add my 2 pence later but it was down to being turned around by Southampton on the toss, everybody sitting again, and generally us playing shite.

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« Reply #23 on: August 18, 2014, 04:22:48 pm »
That inflatable in the Kop looks ridiculous too.

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« Reply #24 on: August 18, 2014, 04:23:40 pm »
This is a really tough situation to solve, yesterday was really poor. Normally one or two step up and start a song but even those seem to have given up now, which isn't surprising when they get sniggered at or photographed when they do.

I suppose at the end of the day it's up to every individual who attends games to encourage singing, it's as much our fault as it is the clubs.

It is, but ultimately there are people that just don't want to sing. That's their prerogative and im fine with that. With so many of these people integrated in the areas where the singers are and singers being pushed to different areas of the ground, it makes it hard to get any synergy or flow of noise.

All it needs is some organisation from the club to allow us an area so that the singers go into this particular area of the KOP for it to work.
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« Reply #25 on: August 18, 2014, 04:25:04 pm »
It is, but ultimately there are people that just don't want to sing. That's their prerogative and im fine with that. With so many of these people integrated in the areas where the singers are and singers being pushed to different areas of the ground, it makes it hard to get any synergy or flow of noise.

All it needs is some organisation from the club to allow us an area so that the singers go into this particular area of the KOP for it to work.

There is this area though, the problem is not the creation of it, it's how you police the sale of tickets so only those who sing can buy them.

I've honestly no idea how you'd do that.

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« Reply #26 on: August 18, 2014, 04:35:56 pm »
Lower ticket prices, give priority seats to supporters clubs,  and allocate tickets by closest postcode. ???

I really don't know. For the first day of the season that atmosphere was dire.
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Re: Lets Improve the Atmosphere at Anfield (split from Fortress Anfield)
« Reply #27 on: August 18, 2014, 04:41:00 pm »
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RAWK is a huge community, lots of match going reds, lots who cannot make the trip etc, but one thing we must agree on is that on the whole, the atmosphere is no longer special.


Lets wait until we have had a European night in the most prestigious club competition in the world before we say this.  European nights have always been much better than the league atmosphere.

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Re: Lets Improve the Atmosphere at Anfield (split from Fortress Anfield)
« Reply #28 on: August 18, 2014, 04:42:28 pm »
Make a 125 in the Anny an under 25,singing section with a £10 reduction

why under 25 ?

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« Reply #29 on: August 18, 2014, 04:44:14 pm »
If the owners have the will then it's achievable. The way forward is to concentrate on The Kop first.

No Thomas Cook type tickets should be sold there.

Only fans who have shown loyalty in respect of attendance should be allowed to buy tickets there. As a few have mentioned, it should be a privilege to be on The Kop and I'd add, mandatory to take part in the rituals.

An expansion of the singing section should be planned using a simple system of allowing fans to indicate on their Fan Cards, a preference for tickets there. (Surely that's not too difficult a task for the club to carry out?)

In my opinion a lot of the old atmosphere would automatically return if safe standing was allowed therefore negating much of the need of the above. I've yet to be convinced but am edging towards it.

The embarrassment of yesterday shouldn't be allowed to happen again but we all know that until the club start listening to the hardcore fans it will repeat for most games this season and so on. I respect that the club have to achieve as much match day revenue as possible by selling all sorts of packages that means Anfield is sometimes over run with tourists but they're not looking at the big picture when this is at the expense of atmosphere. Surely and I fucking hate saying this word, the 'brand' is worth more to the owners if Anfield is rocking.

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« Reply #30 on: August 18, 2014, 04:44:54 pm »
There is this area though, the problem is not the creation of it, it's how you police the sale of tickets so only those who sing can buy them.

I've honestly no idea how you'd do that.

How many people can you get in the 300's?

Could you not do something whereby you have to apply to get a ticket in that area and you have to commit to a certain number of games in a season? Like for m, I went to 18 last season so I'd say I'd get all 19 in there if given the chance. I know a lot of other who would do that too. I also know a lot of guys who have sacked off the homes to just do the away who would do that too, providing it was a singing section and not full of day trippers and families.

As I mentioned, you'd have to have some sort of criteria on it from the previous season but you want to get it to the point where you have people going to at least 2/3 home games in there so you can get groups of mates together etc.

It should be viewed a place that everyone wants to be, but you have to earn the right to be there.
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« Reply #31 on: August 18, 2014, 04:55:53 pm »
How many people can you get in the 300's?

Could you not do something whereby you have to apply to get a ticket in that area and you have to commit to a certain number of games in a season? Like for m, I went to 18 last season so I'd say I'd get all 19 in there if given the chance. I know a lot of other who would do that too. I also know a lot of guys who have sacked off the homes to just do the away who would do that too, providing it was a singing section and not full of day trippers and families.

As I mentioned, you'd have to have some sort of criteria on it from the previous season but you want to get it to the point where you have people going to at least 2/3 home games in there so you can get groups of mates together etc.

It should be viewed a place that everyone wants to be, but you have to earn the right to be there.
or just to put all the 300 block tickets (and the rest of the kop for that matter) up in the first sale with high credits from last season

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« Reply #32 on: August 18, 2014, 04:58:34 pm »
or just to put all the 300 block tickets (and the rest of the kop for that matter) up in the first sale with high credits from last season
How does selling them to people with high credits solve the problem? There's no guarantee whatsoever that those people are more interested in singing than others.

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« Reply #33 on: August 18, 2014, 04:59:47 pm »
How many people can you get in the 300's?

Could you not do something whereby you have to apply to get a ticket in that area and you have to commit to a certain number of games in a season? Like for m, I went to 18 last season so I'd say I'd get all 19 in there if given the chance. I know a lot of other who would do that too. I also know a lot of guys who have sacked off the homes to just do the away who would do that too, providing it was a singing section and not full of day trippers and families.

As I mentioned, you'd have to have some sort of criteria on it from the previous season but you want to get it to the point where you have people going to at least 2/3 home games in there so you can get groups of mates together etc.

It should be viewed a place that everyone wants to be, but you have to earn the right to be there.

But attending X amount of matches doesn't mean they will sing, otherwise we'd of had a pretty damn good atmosphere yesterday given 50% of the members sale tickets went to those who had 14+ games last season.

How could you police it? Kick out anyone who doesn't sing and cut up their members card? Fact is people will happily lie that they will sing to get a ticket given how hard it is to get them currently.

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« Reply #34 on: August 18, 2014, 05:05:05 pm »
How does selling them to people with high credits solve the problem? There's no guarantee whatsoever that those people are more interested in singing than others.
it doesn't, i just think that that in general the people who go more often are more likely to sing. there of course will be many exceptions to that.

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« Reply #35 on: August 18, 2014, 05:07:04 pm »
Genuine question, why has no player done anything?

I.e. if I was a player, I would buy 30 or so season tickets bang in the middle of the Kop and create my own little signing section there. Maybe in collaboration with SoS, and giving free ST's to people on the condition that they will agree to shout, sing bring flags etc.

If you went to Selhurst last year you would have seen first hand the effect that even 30/40 people can do for the atmosphere as it helps spread throughout the stand.

Now I know this is a fucking stupid post to read back but honestly think about it, it could easily happen and would go a long way to fixing some of the problems with our dire atmosphere.

I'd accept a ST on the Kop in exchange or 90 minutes of singing!

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Re: Lets Improve the Atmosphere at Anfield (split from Fortress Anfield)
« Reply #36 on: August 18, 2014, 05:07:24 pm »
it doesn't, i just think that that in general the people who go more often are more likely to sing.

I think it's impossible to make that call to be honest.

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Re: Lets Improve the Atmosphere at Anfield (split from Fortress Anfield)
« Reply #37 on: August 18, 2014, 05:08:20 pm »
I think it'd be a decent shout allowing Supporters Committees/groups to sit together. But I guess difficult to arrange, plus no doubt it wouldn't be the most fair arrangement. Occasionally I've sat next to fellow singing fans who are happy to exchange a laugh with strangers, but usually not - would be nice to be able to sit in large-ish groups.

They just should make Kop 305/306 14+ games only or something. I actually bagged 4 tickets for a few games in 305/306 in the bulk members sale (although website messed up on me so I had to release). I was pretty shocked when I basketed them to be honest.

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Re: Lets Improve the Atmosphere at Anfield (split from Fortress Anfield)
« Reply #38 on: August 18, 2014, 05:09:19 pm »
or just to put all the 300 block tickets (and the rest of the kop for that matter) up in the first sale with high credits from last season

I said exactly the same thing in my previous post but as iamrob says, it doesn't solve the issue does it? Just because people go a lot, doesn't mean they want to sing. You need a specific section where you 'know what is expected of you', a section that you have to apply to be a part of then you know you are with people who 'want' to sing and a section that you have to have gone to a certain criteria for to be allowed in too.
 
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Re: Lets Improve the Atmosphere at Anfield (split from Fortress Anfield)
« Reply #39 on: August 18, 2014, 05:10:08 pm »
Genuine question, why has no player done anything?

I.e. if I was a player, I would buy 30 or so season tickets bang in the middle of the Kop and create my own little signing section there. Maybe in collaboration with SoS, and giving free ST's to people on the condition that they will agree to shout, sing bring flags etc.

If you went to Selhurst last year you would have seen first hand the effect that even 30/40 people can do for the atmosphere as it helps spread throughout the stand.

Now I know this is a fucking stupid post to read back but honestly think about it, it could easily happen and would go a long way to fixing some of the problems with our dire atmosphere.

I'd accept a ST on the Kop in exchange or 90 minutes of singing!

Maybe if Gerrard get's his name down he can do this in about 20 or 25 years time  ;D

I see what you're saying, but it brings about the exact same question - how do you police it? I don't know about you, but I'd happily say I'll sing for 90 minutes to get a ticket to the match. Once I'm there am I going to be watching for the whole time to make sure I do? What happens if I don't? The likelihood of me getting another free ticket via this way would be slim to none anyway so why would I care if I'm banned from getting another.