Topic: Reds agree Adam deal

[steveeastend]

if kenny played these days he`d have people moaning that his pass completion percentage was 60% or something, the fact he set 3 goals up wouldnt mean anything.
 

But Kenny was a top scorer. He scored almost every second game. You cannot compare him to the requirments for a central midfieder. Adam misplaced 18 passes against Sunderland. That´s the worst rate of EVERY central midfielder of the top 5 by a country mile. I am watching these stats over a year and you´ll find rarely a game of a top center midfielder misplacing more than 10 passes a game. He has to improve,  especially when looking at his tackles as well.

[Not funny reecehenebry]

you missed the bit out where he got an assist or whatever they are called.
i`m not that bothered about passing percentages myself as i watched kenny dalglish play, a lot of his passes didnt come off but even the ones that didnt come off often used to get a round of applause because you had to be a genius to see the pass was even on.
if kenny played these days he`d have people moaning that his pass completion percentage was 60% or something, the fact he set 3 goals up wouldnt mean anything.
 

Its's very low of a player in that area of the pitch. When we began to tire the other day he needed to start short sharp passing to make the Sunderland team run about. If you are to play a high pressing game your midfielders need to hold on to the ball better than  66% of the time, otherwise your forwards and dm with start to tire chasing the ball.

Also Adam was partly to blame for the Sunderland goal, he was the extra player that got sucked to the ball, leaving the space for the cross.

[MikkeB]

Kennys taken a gamble, for all his good he's a massive liability. Needs to change his whole outlook to make it here, less adam hollywood, more team player.

[smicer07]

Kennys taken a gamble, for all his good he's a massive liability. Needs to change his whole outlook to make it here, less adam hollywood, more team player.

Massive liability after one game. Nice.

[Chakan]

Massive liability after one game. Nice.

We should really just take him out back and put him down. Can't have a team with him in it. I know it's only 1 game but he didn't score 3 or provide any assists (ok maybe that 1 assist, but who's counting). He's a used up race horse i'm afraid.

[its cold in the stands]

Its's very low of a player in that area of the pitch. When we began to tire the other day he needed to start short sharp passing to make the Sunderland team run about. If you are to play a high pressing game your midfielders need to hold on to the ball better than  66% of the time, otherwise your forwards and dm with start to tire chasing the ball.

Also Adam was partly to blame for the Sunderland goal, he was the extra player that got sucked to the ball, leaving the space for the cross.

i want to see players who are brave enough to try to open up the opposition, jamie redknapp used to have incredible stats in terms of pass completion etc (often over a 100 passes with only 1 or 2 misplaced but he would have done nothing in the game)
henderson had great %`s from the weekend but the common consensus is he was anonymous.
you tactics board mob might be obsessed with stats but some of us arent.

[its cold in the stands]

But Kenny was a top scorer. He scored almost every second game. You cannot compare him to the requirments for a central midfieder. Adam misplaced 18 passes against Sunderland. That´s the worst rate of EVERY central midfielder of the top 5 by a country mile. I am watching these stats over a year and you´ll find rarely a game of a top center midfielder misplacing more than 10 passes a game. He has to improve,  especially when looking at his tackles as well.

and yet adam was in the running for player of the year? try watching the games instead of the stats.

[LiverpoolForever]

Kennys taken a gamble, for all his good he's a massive liability. Needs to change his whole outlook to make it here, less adam hollywood, more team player.

Liability in what way? What did he do that was so bad against Sunderland? How dare he not settle in after one game in what was a step up for him , and how dare him not settle into a partnership with Lucas after just 45 minutes playing together before Sunday's game.

[Pistolero]

Kennys taken a gamble, for all his good he's a massive liability. Needs to change his whole outlook to make it here, less adam hollywood, more team player.

total nonsense.

[steveeastend]

and yet adam was in the running for player of the year? try watching the games instead of the stats.

And who won? Scott Parker? Should I take this award serious just like the "Hodgson-manager-of-the-year"-thing?

In fact I am watching the games very closely. And that´s where my conclusion comes from. From watching.  And I brought up the stats in order to provide some arguments to my opinion. I think that he does more damage to the way we play as a unit but how should I back up my opinion without any statistic behind it?

It´s just an argument, nothing wrong if you don´t find it to be valid.

[smicer07]

And who won? Scott Parker? I should take this award serious just like the "Hodgson-manager-of-the-year"-thing?

I am watching the games. And I am not convinced of Adam in no way. I brought up the stats to provide some arguments to my opinion. I think that he does more damage to the way we play as a unit but how should I explain this without any statistic behind it?

It´s just an argument, nothing wrong if you find it to be not valid.

One competitive game you've watched. One.

[Not funny reecehenebry]

i want to see players who are brave enough to try to open up the opposition, jamie redknapp used to have incredible stats in terms of pass completion etc (often over a 100 passes with only 1 or 2 misplaced but he would have done nothing in the game)
henderson had great %`s from the weekend but the common consensus is he was anonymous.
you tactics board mob might be obsessed with stats but some of us arent.

I remember that with Redknapp, I called him The Crab, all sideways.

However wanting a player to stand out even if some of that is negative doesn't make sense. Plus Adam tries that pass too often, and without the quick defenders to cover we struggle to compress the game. Against Arsenal that will kill us.

Stats wise giving the ball back to the other side 1/3 of the time isn't exactly being stat crazy.

[steveeastend]

One competitive game you've watched. One.

I watched him with Blackpool since we were linked with him. It´s not that I am writing this out of the blue.

Again, the stats are just an argument to my opinion which came from watching Adam play at Blackpool, Scotland and with us so far.

[Not funny reecehenebry]

One competitive game you've watched. One.

Like most of us we have seen him play quite a bit at Blackpool. Most of us who share Steve's opinion have had that same worries about his game as then, only now it's increased as he plays for us.

[smicer07]

I watched him with Blackpool since we were linked with him. It´s not that I am writing this out of the blue.

Again, the stats are just an argument to my opinion which came from watching Adam play at Blackpool, Scotland and with us so far.

Judge him in a red shirt, after at least 10 games.

[steveeastend]

Judge him in a red shirt, after at least 10 games.

I will come back to you on this.

[MikkeB]

Massive liability after one game. Nice.

What is this one game bollocks. I've been watching Adam since January, just because he plays in a red shirt won't dramatically change his way of playing. The things i think are weaknesses to his game are the same, whatever team he plays for, its just that you'd notice them more now.

[smicer07]

He was brilliant for Blackpool, so I don't need how you can see his performances for them as a negative one bit.

[Cpt_Reina]

Thought he played well myself. Should've had 2 assists. Also thought he put himself about quite well and was better in the challenge then I was expecting.

[TSC]

Ahh, the stats nerds are out with the tiddlywinks tonight.  Totally disregarding things such as 'the type of pass'.  Of course Adam over a course of a game is going to misplace more passes than someone who plays safe 10 yard passes all game.  But as someone else mentioned when using Dalglish and indeed Redknap as examples, more of his passes tried are of the type to create chances.  Ok, he set the goal up with a fantastic delivery.  But it's also worth mentioning he played a fantastic ball over the defence to Carroll who 'scored' a perfectly legit goal, but for the uselessness of the officials.  And with hindsight should have knocked the pen in instead of Suarez finding Stanley Pk. 

Not the worst debut by any stretch.

[Breitner]

i want to see players who are brave enough to try to open up the opposition, jamie redknapp used to have incredible stats in terms of pass completion etc (often over a 100 passes with only 1 or 2 misplaced but he would have done nothing in the game)
henderson had great %`s from the weekend but the common consensus is he was anonymous.
you tactics board mob might be obsessed with stats but some of us arent.

Mate, Adam was long written off by a little mob on here because he's not the Italian outcast and they'll just take you round in circles and manipluate every debate with stats to push their agenda

[LiverpoolForever]

How can people come to so many verdicts about Adam or indeed any of our new signings after 1 game? , i know in banging on about this but ''he aint good enough'' , ''he's a liability'' , ''he does more damage to the way we play'' , is what ive seen all on the back of 45 minutes in which the whole team struggled.

Maybe im being an idiot here but why cant we watch a few games and let our new signings settle and bed in before saying stuff like he is doing damage and labelling players ''liability''.

We all wanted new signings but it seems some on here are not prepared to give them a run of games.Stats after 1 game in an attempt to prove Adam is not good enough to play the way we want the team to play? Bizzare to say the least.

[steveeastend]

Don´t worry lads, there are no nerds or mobs. No need to make more out of this than just one poster thinking Henderson or Meireles are a better center midfielders than Adam.

[myrlas]

I l o v e people who use stats to hide the fact that they don't understand the risk/reward/statistical result of a creative pass in midfield.

Adam will never have top % on pass completion. Neither should he.

[Not funny reecehenebry]

Ahh, the stats nerds are out with the tiddlywinks tonight.  Totally disregarding things such as 'the type of pass'.  Of course Adam over a course of a game is going to misplace more passes than someone who plays safe 10 yard passes all game.  But as someone else mentioned when using Dalglish and indeed Redknap as examples, more of his passes tried are of the type to create chances.  Ok, he set the goal up with a fantastic delivery.  But it's also worth mentioning he played a fantastic ball over the defence to Carroll who 'scored' a perfectly legit goal, but for the uselessness of the officials.  And with hindsight should have knocked the pen in instead of Suarez finding Stanley Pk. 

Not the worst debut by any stretch.

Also worth pointing out he was partly at fault for the Sunderland goal, and put pressure on the defense by not keeping the ball when we clearly were suffering from tiredness.

[hoonin]

He was brilliant for Blackpool, so I don't need how you can see his performances for them as a negative one bit.

Indeed.

Some proper know it all biffs on this forum.

"He does more damage to how we play as a unit".

?

Good grief.

[Jonathan Hall ☆☆☆☆☆☆]

Indeed.

Some proper know it all biffs on this forum.

"He does more damage to how we play as a unit".

?

Good grief.

Muppet heaven...

[scouse29]

You could say that any signing is a gamble. We have plenty of options this year in midfield so any player who has a dip in form best be on his toes with a ready made replacement on the bench

[Juan Loco]

Indeed.

Some proper know it all biffs on this forum.

"He does more damage to how we play as a unit".

?

Good grief.

There's a lot of it on every debate at the moment mate. Bizarre, overly-complicated ideas that people lap up because they're exactly that - complicated.

Gives people plenty of opportunity to bang the "Well I guess you just can't appreciate the finer details" bollocks.

[Stussy]

I think he looks like he was made to play for us.

Just one of those feelings.

[its cold in the stands]

I remember that with Redknapp, I called him The Crab, all sideways.

However wanting a player to stand out even if some of that is negative doesn't make sense. Plus Adam tries that pass too often, and without the quick defenders to cover we struggle to compress the game. Against Arsenal that will kill us.

Stats wise giving the ball back to the other side 1/3 of the time isn't exactly being stat crazy.

but you dont know how he will play against arsenal, he could have the game of his life, you are looking at a few meaningless numbers and interpreting those onto every game he plays in the future.
if he was so wasteful in possession and such a liability to his team why did blackpool move heaven and earth to turn down big bids from liverpool and spurs at christmas?
as i said i want brave players who are prepared to try and stamp their authority on the game, i dont want players who pass the buck when they pass the ball 5 yards sideways.

[Tomo!]

One competitive game you've watched. One.

Amazing isn't it.

First competitive game for a fair few lads, at home, nervous, over eager to impress, new team mates etc etc

Personally think he was spot on for the first half, always looked to get the ball forwards to create, good free kick for the assist and nearly scored a belter from 30 yards.

Faded in the second half but coming from a club that couldn't even train properly over winter due to a frozen training ground It's no surprise.

Once he picks up on what his team mates movement is like he'll be a great asset.

[Not funny reecehenebry]

I l o v e people who use stats to hide the fact that they don't understand the risk/reward/statistical result of a creative pass in midfield.

Adam will never have top % on pass completion. Neither should he.

It's the timing of those passes. At some point in the game we need to just pass the ball about and keep control, just to allow us breathing space and to push the other side about. Adam doesn't seem to have the kop on to realize this. Passing the ball is as much about defense as attack. He is like a kid with a bag of sweets, will keep going until he gets sick.

Who had the saying on here about the old and young bull on the hill


Sitting atop a hill on a beautiful spring day.

Grazing in the valley below is a large herd cows, a bunch of fine heifers.

The Young Bull, looks over the whole valley seeing many, many fine heifers.
 
The Old Bull surveys the valley as well and smiles.


The Young Bull, now too excited to control himself, looks at the Old Bull and says,
“Hey.  Let’s run down this hill and fuck one of those heifers!”

The Old Bull looks back at The Young Bull and says,
“No.  Let’s walk down the hill and fuck them all.”

[NOTBORNIN1982]

How can people come to so many verdicts about Adam or indeed any of our new signings after 1 game? , i know in banging on about this but ''he aint good enough'' , ''he's a liability'' , ''he does more damage to the way we play'' , is what ive seen all on the back of 45 minutes in which the whole team struggled.

Maybe im being an idiot here but why cant we watch a few games and let our new signings settle and bed in before saying stuff like he is doing damage and labelling players ''liability''.

We all wanted new signings but it seems some on here are not prepared to give them a run of games.Stats after 1 game in an attempt to prove Adam is not good enough to play the way we want the team to play? Bizzare to say the least.

I absolutely agree with this.

I will reserve judgement on all of the new boys for at least 10 or so games… like anyone entering into a new environment, they need to time to settle… some more than others. I have faith it wont be to long before Adam does something special or has a fantastic game.

In an age where athletes are so often favoured over stylish footballers, he was a pleasure to watch last season. Quick brain with the feet to match, he would be a weapon for any team. The way he strikes the ball, be it when passing, crossing or shooting is an asset that few possess. He is a top player imo.

[steveeastend]

Indeed.

Some proper know it all biffs on this forum.

"He does more damage to how we play as a unit".

?

Good grief.

If a center midfielder misplaces every third pass, more than any other of our center midfielder in any game of last year, than how is he not making our game as a unit worse?

He adds free kick quality to our game, I never questioned that, but I think you missed my point being refering to us playing as a unit.

[MikkeB]

He was brilliant for Blackpool, so I don't need how you can see his performances for them as a negative one bit.

No he wasn't actually.... you gotta do more than watch that one youtube clip of that hollywood ball, most competent midfielders do week in week out.

[TSC]

Also worth pointing out he was partly at fault for the Sunderland goal, and put pressure on the defense by not keeping the ball when we clearly were suffering from tiredness.

But then you could point the finger at the whole midfield, or indeed the whole team for that.  If you were being honest no-one came out in the second half compared to the first half performance.  I'd also suggest that if scapegoats were being targeted for the Sunderland goal then Flano completely lost the flight and left his man free at the far post, but I wouldn't even blame him as the guy's strike was a fantastic finish, and 9 times out of 10 he'd have miskicked or hit it too close to Reina.

It was a poor second half by all, but the first half was excellent.  Don't forget there were 4 new players making competitive debuts at the same time.  And it's only a bad 45 mins.  Hardly a reason to write the season off as some appear to be doing.

[Magix]

As the 'designated' playmaker of the midfield trio of Lucas, Henderson and himself, Adam was found wanting if you take the entire game into account. However, it is his first competitive game, which involved so many new faces at that.

[its cold in the stands]

No he wasn't actually.... you gotta do more than watch that one youtube clip of that hollywood ball, most competent midfielders do week in week out.

are you a blackpool season ticket holder?

[Juan Loco]

No he wasn't actually

He wasn't what?

Brilliant for Blackpool?

I'd say that I can't wait to hear how you square this one away, but it'll be absolute shite.

Put down the crackpipe.