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Liverpool 2022/23 - review and player ratings
« on: May 31, 2023, 04:16:51 pm »
I thought it might be interesting to see what people’s thoughts were on the season just gone. Who played well and who didn’t? What were the main reasons for our achievements or under achievements in 2022/23.


How would you rate Liverpool’s season out of 10 based on your expectations in pre-season?


What do you think were the main drivers for success in 2022/23?


What were the main reasons for our failure to reach certain goals (e.g. injuries, coaching, recruitment, player mentality, and/or form schedule)?


Out of 10 how would you rate Jurgen Klopp’s and his staff’s performance in 2022/23?


How would you rate the following player’s 2022/23 performance out of 10:

Alisson Becker  /10

Caoimhin Kelleher /10

Trent Alexander-Arnold  /10

Joe Gomez  /10

Virgil van Dijk  /10

Joel Matip  /10

Ibrahima Konate  /10

Kostas Tsimikas  /10

Andy Robertson  /10

Naby Keita  /10

James Milner  /10

Curtis Jones   /10

Jordan Henderson  /10

Fabinho  /10

Alex Oxlade Chamberlin  /10

Thiago Alcantara  /10

Stefan Bajcetic  /10

Harvey Elliott  /10

Fabio Carvalho   /10

Luis Diaz   /10

Roberto Firmino /10

Mohamed Salah  /10

Cody Gakpo  /10

Diogo Jota  /10

Darwin Nunez  /10


Key:
1/10 Didn’t turn up to work
2/10 El Hadji Diouf levels of indiscipline combined with poor performance
3/10 Strolled round the pitch, didn’t look interested and was rubbish on the odd time they did look interested
4/10 Significantly and consistently below expected levels
5/10 Below average season (or hit significantly by injury)
6/10 Average to decent season -  generally hit the required level commensurate with ability and expected contribution
7/10 Good season consistently played at expected levels and on occasions were better than that
8/10 Excellent season, considered for PL team of the season
9/10 Career defining season, one of the best players in league form
10/10 Maradona World Cup 1986 levels over a season
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Re: Liverpool 2022/23 - review and player ratings
« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2023, 04:32:03 pm »

How would you rate Liverpool’s season out of 10 based on your expectations in pre-season?

5.

What do you think were the main drivers for success in 2022/23?

If you can quantify failure to finish top 4 a success but qualify for Europa League then the main drivers were Ali playing an outstanding season and a late change in system which offered Fabinho more protection and allowed Trent to create.

What were the main reasons for our failure to reach certain goals (e.g. injuries, coaching, recruitment, player mentality, and/or form schedule)?

A combination of recruitment, unforeseen player decline, injuries and a failure to use timely breaks in the season to correct things until 3 quarters of the way through.

Out of 10 how would you rate Jurgen Klopp’s and his staff’s performance in 2022/23?

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How would you rate the following player’s 2022/23 performance out of 10:

Alisson Becker  9/10

Caoimhin Kelleher 6/10

Trent Alexander-Arnold  8/10

Joe Gomez  4/10

Virgil van Dijk  6/10

Joel Matip  5/10

Ibrahima Konate  7/10

Kostas Tsimikas  5/10

Andy Robertson  6/10

Naby Keita  4/10

James Milner  7/10

Curtis Jones   7/10

Jordan Henderson  6/10

Fabinho  3/10

Alex Oxlade Chamberlin  /10

Thiago Alcantara  5/10

Stefan Bajcetic  7/10

Harvey Elliott  6/10

Fabio Carvalho   5/10

Luis Diaz   6/10

Roberto Firmino 6/10

Mohamed Salah  8/10

Cody Gakpo  7/10

Diogo Jota  5/10

Darwin Nunez  5 /10

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Re: Liverpool 2022/23 - review and player ratings
« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2023, 04:48:48 pm »

How would you rate Liverpool’s season out of 10 based on your expectations in pre-season?

5/10

Generally disappointing based on pre-season. Issues in the squad were amplified with injuries, mental fatigue from previous season, poor form, uncharacteristic poor recruitment in summer 2022 and coaching mistakes.

Performance wise things got better post Xmas but not without a number fo bumps in the road

What do you think were the main drivers for success in 2022/23?

Main success was probably last 10 games of the season. Driver to that sucess was tactical changes to get our most prominent creative force on the ball more. That combined with Gakpo growing into his role and Diaz/Jota returning from injury and providing greater pressing from the front helped. These changes also helped Fabinho as the No.6 and his form improved over last few months also as a result.


What were the main reasons for our failure to reach certain goals (e.g. injuries, coaching, recruitment, player mentality, and/or form schedule)?

A bit of everything.

Diaz and Jota being injured was a blow. Losing Keita, who had sneakily played a lot during 2021/22 run in, was a blow.

Nunez didn't fill the void left by Mane. Other signings were not impactful.

Players looked tired and jaded by previous season(s) effforts and Klopp struggled to cajole good performances out of them.

Tactically we looked poor also. Think everything being out by a 2% in our system is amplified and we looked a mess defensively for most of the season


Out of 10 how would you rate Jurgen Klopp’s and his staff’s performance in 2022/23?

6/10 - i think it's arguably Jurgen's worse season as a Liverpool manager. Lots against him though (see above). Good end to the season probably adds a lot of hope and probably pushes this up from a 4 or 5 to a 6.

How would you rate the following player’s 2022/23 performance out of 10:

Alisson Becker  8/10

Best player before Xmas by an absolute mile. Best GK in the PL this season by a fair distance too.

Caoimhin Kelleher 5/10

Hardly played and when he did he was a range from good to less than good

Trent Alexander-Arnold  6/10

Probably heading for a 4/10 until the last 2 months of the season. Was probably an 8/10 for that last 10 games or so.

Joe Gomez  4/10

Beyond the odd game (City) was consistently below the level we would expect of him. Big season coming up

Virgil van Dijk  5/10

Lack of protection didn't help him at times or sometimes the shakiness of his CB partners (Matip and Gomez). But there's no getting a way from the fact he dipped way below his expected levels for big parts of the season. End of season form showed there's still plenty left in the tank and better protection in front of him will go a long way to a better 2023/24

Joel Matip  4/10

Looked lost at times. Consistently below the required standard which isn't something you can normally level against Joel Matip. Could he return to form in a team functioning better in front of him? Same Q applies to most of the CBs.

Ibrahima Konate  6/10

Injured a lot but was generally good when he played. Look a much better team with him. Still growing as a CB so odd mistake still present. Arguably our No.1 CB pick when fit going forward.

Kostas Tsimikas  5/10

I thought he did OK when picked but used surprisingly sparingly given how Robertson struggled at times

Andy Robertson  5/10

Similar to VvD. Some good games but a number below his best. I think similar to Fabinho his below average form is more than 12 months. Signs that he was below par during 2nd half of 2021/22. That continued in 2022/23. Still young enough to come back to abolsute top form and still should be Liverpool's left back going into next season (tactical changes permitting)

Naby Keita  4/10

He was very good in 2021/22 and his lack of availability and form in 2022/23 really hurt us. I thought we missed his skillset in midfield at times. However, he just wasn't fit enough and when he was he wasn't great in 2022/23.

James Milner  6/10

Not a regaulr starter nor expected to be. Thought he had a decent season when called upon.

Curtis Jones  6/10

Pretty non-existent due to injurues until late March. Probably one of our best players in last few months of the season.

Jordan Henderson  5/10

Played too much due to injuries elsewhere. Needs his minutes managing going forward. Very up and down season in 2022/23.

Fabinho  5/10

Was probably a 4/10 for a lot of the season. Just seemed completely off the pace. Gradually improved after Xmas and, whilst still not at previous levels, got better and better during last few months. Change in system helped him a lot.

Alex Oxlade Chamberlin  4/10

OK when called upon but not available or out of favour for most of the season

Thiago Alcantara  6/10

Probably our best midfielder overall but still flatter to deceive a bit.

Stefan Bajcetic  6/10

Limited number of games means a 6/10 mark. However, compared to pre-season expectation it would have been a 10!! A genuine midifield option going forward and looks a real talent.

Harvey Elliott  6/10

Lightning rod for criticism but probably refelects the shift in what Klopp wants from his No.8's. For a 19 year old in their 1st full season in PL, I thought he mostly did well. Obvious areas fro improvement and some genuine questiosn about fit in this system but he's definitely a talented player.

Fabio Carvalho   5/10

Didn't play much. 1 or 2 highlights but looked a square peg in a round hole. Also Q marks about his physicality and fit in this team

Luis Diaz   5/10

Started the season like a house on fire. Major injury and long lay-off. Came back and played like a player coming off a major injury. Massive player for us next season.

Roberto Firmino 6/10

Contributed a lot more than I expected when he played. Physically he can'tt do the things he did but still a class act.

Mohamed Salah  7/10

Not a vintage season but still a good one from Salah. His goal and assist record speaks for itself.

Cody Gakpo  7/10

Joining a dysfunctional team and being asked to play a new position must be tough. Being asked to take over a club legend makes it touger. Gakpo's start wasn't great but he became a real vital cog in this team as the season progressed. I have high ope for him taking the next step in 2023/24.

Diogo Jota  5/10

Hit by injury but thought you could see his value at the end of the season. Goal threat and work incredibly hard and effectively off the ball.

Darwin Nunez  5/10

15 goals in a debut campaign should get you more than 5 out of 10. Had a lot of niggling injuries that didn't help. However, I gave him a 5 because his all round player wasn't great. Hold up play needs significant work. As does his counter press. It's not through lack of effort, Nunez just didn't seem to get to grips with it. That needs to change dramatically next season.


Key:
1/10 Didn’t turn up to work
2/10 El Hadji Diouf levels of indiscipline combined with poor performance
3/10 Strolled round the pitch, didn’t look interested and was rubbish on the odd time they did look interested
4/10 Significantly and consistently below expected levels
5/10 Below average season (or hit significantly by injury)
6/10 Average to decent season -  generally hit the required level commensurate with ability and expected contribution
7/10 Good season consistently played at expected levels and on occasions were better than that
8/10 Excellent season, considered for PL team of the season
9/10 Career defining season, one of the best players in league form
10/10 Maradona World Cup 1986 levels over a season

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Re: Liverpool 2022/23 - review and player ratings
« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2023, 06:12:38 pm »
I thought it might be interesting to see what people’s thoughts were on the season just gone. Who played well and who didn’t? What were the main reasons for our achievements or under achievements in 2022/23.


How would you rate Liverpool’s season out of 10 based on your expectations in pre-season?
4.  Figured we'd likely take a step back from last year and the injury crisis initially certainly dampened some of the expectations out of the gate, but it was a real down year.  At one point, we were as far away from the top 4 as we'd ever been under Klopp.  It was a decent run to end the season, but not qualifying for CL is a real kick in the teeth.

What do you think were the main drivers for success in 2022/23?
-Alisson's form all season (the best in the league) in preventing big chances from goals kept us away from being a mid table side.  The attack's form down the stretch (once everyone was fit) was a real bonus.  The system change was also a nice boost and got us a decent late run at the CL spots.

What were the main reasons for our failure to reach certain goals (e.g. injuries, coaching, recruitment, player mentality, and/or form schedule)?
-All of the above really.  The injuries were a huge problem.  The staff didn't help themselves at times (see the set up in the 3-0 loss at Brighton).  The recruitment (or lack thereof) was a real downer for the midfield, which cascaded all over the pitch.  The fact that we outscored Bournemouth, Leeds, and United 24-6 but came away with only 9 points or the fact that we did the double over Newcastle but mustered just 2 points against Palace show the opposite of the mentality monsters that we'd become in recent seasons.  But it does show we can up our game when we need it (we just need to find consistency again, which we did to end the season).

Out of 10 how would you rate Jurgen Klopp’s and his staff’s performance in 2022/23?
-6; the injury crises at times made it hard to get things going.  The system switch at the end was a nice touch to help jump-start a run.  Some poor decisions at times, and transfer choices (without getting into an ownership debate) didn't help the midfield.

How would you rate the following player’s 2022/23 performance out of 10:

Alisson Becker  9/10
-best in the league; not to go full L'Equipe with these ratings, but maybe not quite Maradona 1986 levels!  ;D
Caoimhin Kelleher N/A /10
-not enough appearances to judge really
Trent Alexander-Arnold  7/10
-very up and down at times and probably needs the system to cater to him, but when it does, he's the best player on the pitch (outside of Ali perhaps)
Joe Gomez  5/10
-maybe he needs a run of games, but he's 26 and at best third choice (maybe fourth).  Is he really going to get the run he needs?
Virgil van Dijk  6/10
-up and down this year but probably overplayed; needs a good break
Joel Matip  5/10
-surprisingly poor at times; more error-prone than seasons past
Ibrahima Konate  7/10
-fits the new system well and put in some terrific performances; a little-error prone at times
Kostas Tsimikas  6/10
-comes in and does ok
Andy Robertson  6/10
-solid but not his best season
Naby Keita  4/10
-cannot believe that he's in his prime, made a solid string of appearances in our run-in last year, and this is his good-bye.  What could've been...
James Milner  6/10
-always does his job and we'll miss his professionalism
Curtis Jones   7/10
-some really strong performances to end the year; given how early he broke into the side and how poor the midfield was all season, this was his chance, and he seized it really well.  Was wondering if it was going to not work out for him here but what a nice run to end the year
Jordan Henderson  6/10
-not his best season but still can be a solid, dependable option
Fabinho  3/10
-wow, that was bad.  A huge drop-off physically.  At times couldn't even get near opposition players.  Maybe he's got another year left in the tank and just needs a good preseason, but he was a major part of the struggle for us.
Alex Oxlade Chamberlin  N/A /10
-what could've been if it wasn't for the knee injury in 2018...
Thiago Alcantara  5/10
-just can't get on the pitch enough
Stefan Bajcetic  6/10
-probably a 10 if you look at it relative to his age. Big potential here and could save us the trouble of signing a young talented youth CM for the future (we already have one!)
Harvey Elliott  6/10
-love his energy, effort, and teamwork but still need to figure out his best role.  If we sign 3 midfielders, when/where does he play?
Fabio Carvalho   N/A /10
-seems like we're not interested in developing him as a project (would rather him get playing time elsewhere)
Luis Diaz   5/10
-shame he missed so much time with injuries
Roberto Firmino 7/10
-great goalscoring record this year; some nice memories, and we'll miss him
Mohamed Salah  8/10
-very good most of the year; even with the team struggling, he was very productive
Cody Gakpo  7/10
-looks to be a big part of our future; settled in decently well
Diogo Jota  5/10
-missed most of the season due to injury and had goal-scoring issues but really hit form late (more of a 8 once he got going); will be key going forward
Darwin Nunez  5/10
-really talented player but never truly got going; took him a year at Benfica too, so talent is not a question.  That being said, if Salah, Gakpo, Jota, and Diaz are all fit, when/where does Darwin play?  He'll really need a strong pre-season and start to hit the heights we know he's capable of.

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Re: Liverpool 2022/23 - review and player ratings
« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2023, 09:13:19 pm »
How would you rate Liverpool’s season out of 10 based on your expectations in pre-season?

5/10 Didn't really match any expectations in terms of results. Some excellent one off performances, though. All round strange.

What do you think were the main drivers for success in 2022/23?

What success?

What were the main reasons for our failure to reach certain goals (e.g. injuries, coaching, recruitment, player mentality, and/or form schedule)?

Mental fatigue and lack of self-confidence from the end of last season, compounded by a series of setbacks at the start of this one. Helped along by refs shafting us at crucial moments, starting at Fulham.

Out of 10 how would you rate Jurgen Klopp’s and his staff’s performance in 2022/23?

7/10 Hard to say what they could have done differently, given we nearly won the quadruple last season. Struggled to get many of the players going, for whatever reason.

How would you rate the following player’s 2022/23 performance out of 10:

Alisson Becker  /10
9/10 Excellent, never let us down. Without him, we'd have finished mid-table.

Caoimhin Kelleher /10
N/A Hardly featured, mostly in forgettable games.

Trent Alexander-Arnold  /10
6/10 Ended the season on a high, but struggled a lot in his earlier role.

Joe Gomez  /10
5/10 More bad than good performances, excellent ones (like the one v City) were few and far between.

Virgil van Dijk  /10
6/10 Not his usual self, but consistently solid, if not excellent.

Joel Matip  /10
4/10 Didn't feature often, but was strangely erratic when he did.

Ibrahima Konate  /10
6/10 Mixed bag, usually did well alongside Van Dijk.

Kostas Tsimikas  /10
7/10 Left back was the only position we could safely rotate without a drop in performance. Can't remember a particularly bad performance.

Andy Robertson  /10
7/10 Very good throughout the season, definitely not a reason why we struggled.

Naby Keita  /10
N/A Hardly featured.

James Milner  /10
6/10 Mister consistent. Nothing out of the ordinary, but never below par.

Curtis Jones   /10
6/10 Struggled early on in the season, came back to life with a consistent run in the team.

Jordan Henderson  /10
6/10 See Milner.

Fabinho  /10
5/10 Overall disappointing, including some very poor performances.

Alex Oxlade Chamberlin  /10
N/A

Thiago Alcantara  /10
6/10 Played well. When he played ...

Stefan Bajcetic  /10
7/10 Revelation of the season, looking forward to him being fit again.

Harvey Elliott  /10
7/10 Very good start to the season, for some reason didn't feature much at the end.

Fabio Carvalho   /10
6/10 Showed a lot potential, scored that famous winner v Newcastle, then disappeared.

Luis Diaz   /10
5/10 Struggled with injury, never found consistency.

Roberto Firmino /10
7/10 Didn't (or couldn't?) play as much as I'd have liked, but was mostly excellent when he did. Easily outdid everyone on goals per minute.

Mohamed Salah  /10
8/10 Scored 30 goals in a season when the entire team struggled. Need I say more?

Cody Gakpo  /10
5/10 Showed potential, not least in that Man Utd game, but was also invisible on too many occasions.

Diogo Jota  /10
8/10 Don't think he had a single poor game, and I know he had plenty of good ones, and many excellent ones. Our season could have been a lot more successful without his injury.

Darwin Nunez  /10
6/10 Certainly didn't have a bad season as some would have us believe.

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Re: Liverpool 2022/23 - review and player ratings
« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2023, 11:27:10 pm »
How would you rate Liverpool’s season out of 10 based on your expectations in pre-season?

Not very good at all 5/10
We were all done including the fans after Paris and the 64 games

What do you think were the main drivers for success in 2022/23?
Muscle memory for the run in, the goalie, Mo's goals and Trent's superb contribution

What were the main reasons for our failure to reach certain goals
Failure to churn the squad after and during Covid because of the finance concerns and then the drop off from last year.

Out of 10 how would you rate Jurgen Klopp’s and his staff’s performance in 2022/23? 8/10

I think he gets a pass - there was no time to coach anyone during the season - they were all away or injured or knackered or mentally burnt out whenever there were breaks

Becker 10/10

superb season - a couple of mistakes but to be fair to him the number of times we left him exposed or put him under severe pressure, he deserves a 10. He's the best I've ever seen.

Trent 8/10

Salah 8/10

I'll give all the rest 6/10

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Re: Liverpool 2022/23 - review and player ratings
« Reply #6 on: June 1, 2023, 04:18:17 pm »
Out of 10 how would you rate Jurgen Klopp’s and his staff’s performance in 2022/23?

8/10

I think he gets a pass - there was no time to coach anyone during the season - they were all away or injured or knackered or mentally burnt out whenever there were breaks

Is the 8/10 based on 2022/23?

Or based on mitigating circumstances and previous performance?

I’m 100% behind Klopp and he’s the best thing that’s happened to the club in the last 30 years. There was also mitigating circumstances this season just gone. However, personally I’d still struggle to give him an 8/10 based on 2022/23 alone.
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Re: Liverpool 2022/23 - review and player ratings
« Reply #7 on: June 1, 2023, 06:19:50 pm »
How would you rate Liverpool’s season out of 10 based on your expectations in pre-season?

3/10, a failure top to bottom from the start of the season onwards.

What do you think were the main drivers for success in 2022/23?

Alisson was behind everything good this season, without him we wouldn't be in Europe

What were the main reasons for our failure to reach certain goals (e.g. injuries, coaching, recruitment, player mentality, and/or form schedule)?

Pre-Season was poorly planned and executed by all areas of the club, there is a reason City only played 2 pre-season games and we played 7, especially in the condenses season due to the world cup. We started the season fatigued and half the squad injured which forced the rest of the side to be overplayed leading to this cycle of injuries and tiredness. We never recovered.

Squad planning was poor, relying on Thiago, Oxlade and Keita, with Henderson and Milner both on the physical decline for another season just seemed mental considering their injury records.

The summer recruitment was poor, we clearly needed to sell Keita or Oxlade (or both) and bring in some new fresh legs into the midfield engine room. A collective failure top to bottom that.

The squad got complacent, so many unforced errors in every game from a complete lack of desire to do the hard yards.

Out of 10 how would you rate Jurgen Klopp’s and his staff’s performance in 2022/23?

5/10.

More pragmatism was needed in the summer to refresh the squad, I think his loyalty on wanting to keep the core together (potentially poorly advised by the sports science team on what they had left in the tank) meant we left it too late and we ended up with Arthur on loan.

The tactical set up we started with and persisted with, having Trent playing this roaming playmaker from right back had the wrong balance and it took us far far too long to figure out the right tweaks, we even double downed on it over the Christmas break leading to us basically wrecking any chance of top 4 through January.

+2 points for how we finished the season.

How would you rate the following player’s 2022/23 performance out of 10:

Alisson Becker  10/10
Without him we'd have no European football, best keeper in the world

Caoimhin Kelleher 5/10
Wasn't able to show much but early season was very good

Trent Alexander-Arnold  2/10 (first half of the season), 9/10 (from when he had his new position)
First half of the season he just looked like he had given up trying to defend and became a liability, he's been transformed by the new tactical set up but needs to remember he still has to defend

Joe Gomez  4/10
Expected more this season, didn't grasp his chances and was part of some of our worse performances. Made a lot of mistakes

Virgil van Dijk  5/10
A poor season, he's still a top class defender but certainly no longer a god amongst men. One of the prime culprits for complacency in my opinion

Joel Matip  4/10
A big nose dive in performances which would mean for me I'd sell

Ibrahima Konate  6/10
Shown class in moments and is clearly an elite talent, needs to keep fit

Kostas Tsimikas  5/10
Done well on occasion but the new set up doesn't suit him at all

Andy Robertson  4/10
A poor season from Andy, far far too much complacency, so many instances of losing posession with wayward simple passes, defensively a big drop

Naby Keita  1/10
Just can't stay fit, all the talent is pointless if you aren't available

James Milner  5/10
We will miss his leadership but thought he was a yard slower on the pitch this season and it showed at this level

Curtis Jones   8/10
Excellent now fit, a bright spark and makes you wonder if he hadn't of had his freak injuries how would the season have been

Jordan Henderson  5/10
Clearly on the decline, when playing 1 game in 6 days he's great, add in our schedule he showed his age

Fabinho  2/10
One of the biggest drop in form/performance/athleticism I've seen, it's like he's 40 not 29

Alex Oxlade Chamberlin  1/10
See Keita

Thiago Alcantara  5/10
Great when fit, but has to be seen as a luxoury player from now on

Stefan Bajcetic  8/10
Another bright spark, 18, wow the world at this kids feet

Harvey Elliott  6/10
Started well but started to get lost in what is expected in our right sided midfielder has a big future here ahead

Fabio Carvalho  4/10
Not sure what has gone wrong here but I thought he looked a talent

Luis Diaz  6/10
Can't wait to see him with a full pre-season under him, adds much needed dynamism, fight and threat

Roberto Firmino 6/10
O Bobby.. What a guy, what a player (still), mother time has caught up though and the parting is right, he is starting to be injured more than available and his legs are clearly on the wane

Mohamed Salah  7/10
Poor first season, missing a lot of "easy" chances, stepped up the second half

Cody Gakpo  8/10
Was excellent, only 23, going to be a superstar

Diogo Jota  7/10
Played well once he got up to speed, like Diaz how our season would have been if he was fit

Darwin Nunez  5/10
I expected more, but he's young and clearly there is a superstar is in there
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Re: Liverpool 2022/23 - review and player ratings
« Reply #8 on: June 2, 2023, 12:22:56 am »
Is the 8/10 based on 2022/23?

Or based on mitigating circumstances and previous performance?*

Yes - I do think he can do no wrong - he wants us to play football and find a way to win, he doesn't do pragmatic shit on a stick Mourinho type football (which probably would have suited us better this season), but I'm glad he didn't go that way.

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Re: Liverpool 2022/23 - review and player ratings
« Reply #9 on: June 4, 2023, 03:16:19 pm »
How would you rate Liverpool’s season out of 10 based on your expectations in pre-season?

4/10. Would be a 2 if not for the last quarter of the PL season. Let's not sugar-coat it, we'd have pissed ourselves laughing before the season at the idea that Man Utd or Arsenal would finish ahead of us, let alone Newcastle. And then there's the hiding we copped from Real Madrid. Putrid away performances against Wolves, Brighton and Brentford in the first 5 games after the supposed World Cup reset. Getting 2 points from 12 immediately following the 7-0. The lows were really low, and we shouldn't forget them.



What do you think were the main drivers for success in 2022/23?

Not success, but Alisson's brilliance, Mo's goals,  Baj and Jones stepping up, Gakpo's arrival and the new formation around Trent all gave us hope.


What were the main reasons for our failure to reach certain goals (e.g. injuries, coaching, recruitment, player mentality, and/or form schedule)?

The midfield that every man and his dog identified as a weakness,  but probably still overrated, before season's start. And the horrendous preparations that had our guys running in treacle the first few months

Out of 10 how would you rate Jurgen Klopp’s and his staff’s performance in 2022/23?

5/10. So far off his best early in the season it was surreal. Badly misjudged squad quality and readiness. Only after drawing a line through 22/23 and making an early start on 23/24 did the man we know and love show his face. Speaking of which, bring back the glasses!

How would you rate the following player’s 2022/23 performance out of 10:

Alisson Becker  9/10
POTY

Caoimhin Kelleher 5/10
excellent keeper but few opportunities, uncharacteristically bad in season finale

Trent Alexander-Arnold  5/10
3/10 for first three quarters of season, 9 in final quarter,  makes 5 on average. From putrid to puissant.

Joe Gomez  4/10
Not good at all, needs to improve next season or move on

Virgil van Dijk  5/10
Looked really half arsed at times. I know nonchalance is his thing but refusing to challenge or block is unacceptable. Improved in last quarter.

Joel Matip  5/10
No worse than Virg but far below usual standards

Ibrahima Konate  5/10
Pretty decent when he played but availability a significant concern

Kostas Tsimikas  5/10
Decent but needed to be better with Robbo struggling

Andy Robertson  4/10
Way off his best. Not defensively switched on and inconsistent going forward.

Naby Keita  2/10
Not convinced he was always injured, performances were those of a man who'd checked out. Thank fuck we didn't extend the contract.

James Milner  6/10
Ever reliable sub, not much attacking spark left but a lot of veteran savvy, he'll be missed

Curtis Jones   6/10
A fantastic end of season, would score higher if he'd played more. Underlying numbers are elite, no surprise he was on the pitch when things started to turn

Jordan Henderson  6/10
Thought he was pretty decent, not as dynamic these days but dependable and a class leader

Fabinho  3/10
Absolutely appalling for most of the season, seemed somewhat redeemed late in the season but still got cooked on occasion even then.

Alex Oxlade Chamberlin  4/10
A non factor, not bad on the rare occasion he played

Thiago Alcantara  5/10
Just can't rely on him at all and don't think his performances were good enough to offset the lack of availability. Our best mid in the 14 PL games he played,  but we won only 6 and lost 6  of those so the competition wasn't fierce

Stefan Bajcetic  6/10
A big positive from the season, didn't play enough to warrant a high score but reduced our shopping list by one

Harvey Elliott  5/10
Skilful player who battles manfully but I fear he'll never really suit our team.

Fabio Carvalho   5/10
Looked decent when he played but clearly doesn't have a role in this squad and should be sold or loaned out

Luis Diaz   6/10
Our best outfield player pre injury, still handy on his return but let's hope he gets his explosiveness back next season

Roberto Firmino 6/10
Suddenly his G+A/90 is off the charts but availability and general play have declined. Love him, will miss greatly.

Mohamed Salah  7/10
Seemed quieter and playing too wide for stretches of the season but still produced world class G+A  numbers despite missing penalties and defenders allowed to foul him with impunity. Still a god.

Cody Gakpo  7/10
Very impressive young player, will be elite after a pre season. Such a smart player, tall, strong, athletic, etc.

Diogo Jota  6/10
Took a long time to find those shooting boots but once he did he became a major weapon. Fitness is a concern.

Darwin Nunez  5/10
Mixed bag, some excellent games mixed with others where he seemed bereft of confidence. Needs to work hard at finding his role, at the moment he's our 5th forward

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Re: Liverpool 2022/23 - review and player ratings
« Reply #10 on: June 9, 2023, 04:44:45 pm »
How would you rate Liverpool’s season out of 10 based on your expectations in pre-season?

5. I don't think anyone (including Jurgen) expected such a drop off, but there were definitely green shoots of recovery over the last 3 months.

What do you think were the main drivers for success in 2022/23?

As soon as players rediscovered their mojo and played as a team, we looked good - even in the first half of the season. But as soon as we fell off the pace we seemed to struggle mentally, which didn't help the tired legs. Alisson, Mo, Trent, Gakpo and Jota were a big help in salvaging our season.

What were the main reasons for our failure to reach certain goals (e.g. injuries, coaching, recruitment, player mentality, and/or form schedule)?


A whole range of things, but the hangover from 2021/22 was clear as day. No team has ever played that number of high pressure games until the final day before.

Injuries also an issue again, and an additional experienced/energetic midfilder would've helped. Pre-season and the World Cup break didn't go as planned.

Out of 10 how would you rate Jurgen Klopp’s and his staff’s performance in 2022/23?

First half of the season 5. Second half 7. Credit's due for turning it round and finding solutions.

How would you rate the following player’s 2022/23 performance out of 10:

Alisson Becker  9/10
Caoimhin Kelleher 5/10
Trent Alexander-Arnold  7/10
Joe Gomez  5/10
Virgil van Dijk  6/10
Joel Matip  6/10
Ibrahima Konate 7/10
Kostas Tsimikas  5/10
Andy Robertson  6/10
Naby Keita  4/10
James Milner  8/10
Curtis Jones   7/10
Jordan Henderson  7/10
Fabinho  6/10
Alex Oxlade Chamberlin  5/10
Thiago Alcantara  6/10
Stefan Bajcetic  8/10
Harvey Elliott  6/10
Fabio Carvalho   5/10
Luis Diaz   7/10
Roberto Firmino 8/10
Mohamed Salah  9/10
Cody Gakpo  8/10
Diogo Jota  8/10
Darwin Nunez  7/10
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Re: Liverpool 2022/23 - review and player ratings
« Reply #11 on: June 9, 2023, 05:15:12 pm »
How would you rate Liverpool’s season out of 10 based on your expectations in pre-season?
4 (I had far too high expectations)

What do you think were the main drivers for success in 2022/23?
I dont think it was a success but if I want to look at positives, it should be last stretch of 10 games where it seemed like we now have an idea of what the next step of this team's evolution should look like.


What were the main reasons for our failure to reach certain goals (e.g. injuries, coaching, recruitment, player mentality, and/or form schedule)?
Injuries of course, plus I think underestimating the wear and tear and decline within the squad. Also think we underestinated the impact of 5 subs amongst other clubs and using fresher legs.


Out of 10 how would you rate Jurgen Klopp’s and his staff’s performance in 2022/23?
5


How would you rate the following player’s 2022/23 performance out of 10:

Alisson Becker  /10
8 (probably our player of the season but even he had a couple more howlers than usual. Not worried though, he had more to do this season than he should in most.

Caoimhin Kelleher /10
5 (Not much to do for most of the season but the lack of games meant we never saw him fully match sharp)

Trent Alexander-Arnold  /10
6 (probably our best player in the final stretch but started the season poorly when teams were exclusively targeting him.and he had limited help)

Joe Gomez  /10
3 (he is regressing and that is not good for someone still very young)

Virgil van Dijk  /10
6 (inconsistent and seems to have lost a yard of pace. Still a great center half but starting to move past his prime)

Joel Matip  /10
5 (same as virgil but add to that the lack of run of games and injuries and he ended up worse)

Ibrahima Konate  /10
7 (showed growth from last season. Still has a howler in him but largely very consistent and strong. Should get better)

Kostas Tsimikas  /10
5 (consistent. Does his job when called upon)

Andy Robertson  /10
6 (looked knackered most of the season. A rest would do him good)

Naby Keita  /10
3 (flattered to deceive. Came in early in the season and had a good game or 2 and then again injured and inconsistent.)

James Milner  /10
7 (They should retire that jersey for our consistent 7/10 performer)

Curtis Jones   /10
7 (injured most of the season but got a chance in the final stretch and took it with both hands. Bright future if he carries in from there)

Jordan Henderson  /10
4 (for a grafter like Hendo, losing another yard of pace and a bit of intensity in pressing really hurts his game. Being on Trent and Mo's side he is less likely to get away with it too. We need to be looking to phase him out in the next couple of seasons)

Fabinho  /10
4 (one of the biggest surprises/disappointments for me, personally. Just struggled with basics early on in the season and was a constant giveaway in tight spaces. Much better in the newer shape but still looks a bit worse for wear than his prime)

Alex Oxlade Chamberlin  /10
2 (hardly got a game, dont remember much from when he did but the fact he couldnt get much minutes when we couldnt find anyone fit or sharp for midfield doesnt help his case)

Thiago Alcantara  /10
4 (Injured for most of the season. Always looks great when he plays but we cant rely on him at all)

Stefan Bajcetic  /10
7 (One that came out if nowhere. Looks like a brilliant talent)

Harvey Elliott  /10
5 (Improving season on season. Parts of his game still need work but I think he has a future here)

Fabio Carvalho   /10
5 (I dont think he played badly. Looked okay but not great when he played. We are probably not setup with a role to make him thrive. A move might be best for all parties)

Luis Diaz   /10
5 (Started the season so well, then injured and then came back to startly getting back some match sharpness. He will need to be a big part next season)

Roberto Firmino /10
10 (Fuck off if you question that)

Mohamed Salah  /10
7 (Still our main and biggest goal threat. He needs others to start sharing that burden)

Cody Gakpo  /10
7 (Signing of the season. Might just soften the blow if bobby leaving if he keeps on like that)

Diogo Jota  /10
6 (Man needs to stay fit because he is brilliant when he is)

Darwin Nunez  /10
4 (square peg in round hole in my opinion. Has parts of his games where he is unplayable but hardly gets to show it in our system)


Key:
1/10 Didn’t turn up to work
2/10 El Hadji Diouf levels of indiscipline combined with poor performance
3/10 Strolled round the pitch, didn’t look interested and was rubbish on the odd time they did look interested
4/10 Significantly and consistently below expected levels
5/10 Below average season (or hit significantly by injury)
6/10 Average to decent season -  generally hit the required level commensurate with ability and expected contribution
7/10 Good season consistently played at expected levels and on occasions were better than that
8/10 Excellent season, considered for PL team of the season
9/10 Career defining season, one of the best players in league form
10/10 Maradona World Cup 1986 levels over a season
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Re: Liverpool 2022/23 - review and player ratings
« Reply #12 on: June 9, 2023, 05:45:42 pm »
A couple of 1's....lots of 3's and 4's....a couple of 7's
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Re: Liverpool 2022/23 - review and player ratings
« Reply #13 on: June 10, 2023, 04:13:04 pm »
How would you rate Liverpool’s season out of 10 based on your expectations in pre-season?

4

What do you think were the main drivers for success in 2022/23?

The main success of the season was the last 10 games where we saw a new style emerge that brought us back closer to the consistency and performance levels that we’ve come to expect. It wasn’t perfect by any means but it can certainly act as a platform for the coming season. Trent’s new position was a game changer, mostly for the better of our team.


What were the main reasons for our failure to reach certain goals (e.g. injuries, coaching, recruitment, player mentality, and/or form schedule)?

All of the above, were reasons for our failures to varying degrees.

We got pre-season wrong, leading to an injury crisis from virtually the first game. I understand why we had an intense pre-season due to the odd schedule for the season with the World Cup break, but I think our mental and physical exhaustion off the back of last year should have in hindsight been taken into account, and a long period of rejuvenation would have helped the squad. Klopp and the coaching staff for that wrong. The injuries that came in this early period, killed our hopes of a title challenge from the off.

That realisation came gradually over the first few games, and a mixture of the idea of chasing a near-perfect points gathering machine in Man City and then the disappointment of being out of the race so quickly hit the squad hard mentally, an issue that took too long to recover from. We actually did pick up somewhat prior to the World Cup, but the fragility remained after it and January was a particularly low point where we lost our confidence in our ability.

The injury crisis killed our ability to rotate and our legs soon dropped off, culminating in those abject showings after the new year. That could have killed us, but as players came back, the signs that the quality remained began to show even if our tendency to get complacent remained.

How much of this could have been helped by recruitment is hard to say. Without the injuries, we almost certainly make top 4, and quite possibly come around Arsenal, as it’s hard to quantify just how much of a knock on effect those incidents had. The back end of last season was dominated by talk of replacing the front 3, given their contract situations, and we largely did that across 3 windows, but that did not come with reinforcements in other areas. Given the injuries that occurred early on, further signings, particularly in midfield, last season would have helped. In truth with less injuries we’d have been in a much better position, and given those injuries, more signings would have put us in a better position, we got neither and so we suffered. The balancing act the Klopp takes into account is the disharmony caused by new signings if the injuries don’t happen and the squad is then bloated. With hindsight the call is clearly wrong, but we don’t get to see what happens in the alternative scenarios so how wrong of a call it was, we’ll never know.

It’s not all on injuries and recruitment though, as mentioned. Those who played still should have been able to perform at a higher level. I’ve talked about various reasons why that happened, but two others are elements too. Firstly, the squad is getting older, so their quality has started to deteriorate, though it’s hard to believe the drop off across the board would be as severe as it looked at times. Secondly, for much of the first part of the season, we trialled a midfield that plainly wasn’t working and took too long to find a solution to that, which is in Klopp and the coaching staff.

All of these things can be learned from though, and therefore we will be better equipped in the future when similar problems arise.

Out of 10 how would you rate Jurgen Klopp’s and his staff’s performance in 2022/23?

4 - potentially 5 with the up term at the end.

How would you rate the following player’s 2022/23 performance out of 10:

Alisson Becker  8/10 - could be 9, but for the Madrid error

Caoimhin Kelleher 5/10 - below what we saw last year

Trent Alexander-Arnold 6 /10 - 5 before April, 8 after

Joe Gomez 5 /10

Virgil van Dijk  5/10

Joel Matip 4 /10

Ibrahima Konate  5/10

Kostas Tsimikas 5 /10

Andy Robertson  5/10

Naby Keita 5 /10 - injury hit

James Milner  6/10

Curtis Jones   7/10 - injury hit but when he played he impressed. There were question marks over his future coming into and during the season, but he’s firmly apart of the future now.

Jordan Henderson  5/10 - poor at times but not as poor as some have made out. Got lumped in with Fabinho sometimes.

Fabinho  4/10 - could have been 3, though the end of season was much better

Alex Oxlade Chamberlin 5 /10 - injury hit

Thiago Alcantara  5/10 - injury hit

Stefan Bajcetic  7.5/10 - obviously not team of the season stuff, but will have been above anyone’s expectations for him to be such an asset going into the future this early into his career

Harvey Elliott  5/10 - can’t fault his effort but hasn’t met expectations, that’s not all down to him though as often the tactics and his physical attributes left him exposed

Fabio Carvalho   5/10 - didn’t get time to impress

Luis Diaz   5/10 - injury hit

Roberto Firmino 7/10 - played well when he was fit. Got a healthy goal return too. Fear we will miss him at times next season.

Mohamed Salah  7.5/10 - certainly could be in the team of the season given his goal return, but wasn’t at his standards.

Cody Gakpo  7/10 - showed a lot of potential. Seems key to our future given his position a focal point.

Diogo Jota  5/10

Darwin Nunez  6/10 - a lot of promise, but still raw and frustrating at times. I think he’ll be a star for us still and we’ll start to see it next year, but that’s all to be seen.
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Re: Liverpool 2022/23 - review and player ratings
« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2023, 04:23:23 pm »
How would you rate Liverpool’s season out of 10 based on your expectations in pre-season? 3/10 because we expected a drop off after our exertions in the previous season but missing out on CL football was a bigger regression than most expected even with our actions and inactions in the transfer market.

For most of the season, we lacked belief and an identity and our performances were relegation standard to be honest. We didn't even look like a team at times, just a collection of unmotivated individuals. The good thing is that we can only improve going forward.


What do you think were the main drivers for success in 2022/23? My definition of success is competing for the biggest trophies. To achieve that we needed to strengthen especially after the early warning signs in the first few games. At that point in time, we could still dip into the market to improve but we signed Arthur which was a sign that we were content with a top 4 place.

In terms of the bare minimum, I think we were definitely good enough but unlucky with injuries to important players like Jota and Diaz.


What were the main reasons for our failure to reach certain goals (e.g. injuries, coaching, recruitment, player mentality, and/or form schedule)? Not being proactive in the transfer market and injuries. Also, the mentality of the team was poor this year and we seemed to gthrow in the towel after it became clear that we couldn't compete for the title.


Out of 10 how would you rate Jurgen Klopp’s and his staff’s performance in 2022/23? 4/10. We just didn't look like a team for large parts of the season. The players weren't motivated which is the management team's job and the transfers we made didn't improve us. Darwin was okay but the likes of Carvalho and Ramsay were simply not the profile required at that point in time.


How would you rate the following player’s 2022/23 performance out of 10:

Alisson Becker  10/10- IMO, he was our best player last season because he made a lot of big saves that kept us in games. Can't expect more from a goal keeper to be honest. He even had an assist.

Caoimhin Kelleher 6/10- Barely played.

Trent Alexander-Arnold  5/10- Before the switch, he didn't look like he was arsed and his errors cost us in many games. Top 5 passer in world football IMO and he should be moved from rightback.

Joe Gomez  3/10- Got a decent amount of game time but simply not good enough and error prone. Had some stinkers in hammerings against Napoli (hooked at HT) and Madrid. Not good enough going forward.

Virgil van Dijk  2/10- Didn't look arsed and he didnt show leadership skills (both in terms of his performances and his body language) in a difficult season.

Joel Matip  5/10- Barely played. Inconsistent but not the player he used to be.

Ibrahima Konate  6/10- Ended the season really well. A bit inconsistent at the start.

Kostas Tsimikas  5/10- Barely played. Wasn't great.

Andy Robertson  6/10- Poor season by his standards. Felt like he was huffing and puffing at times. At least, he never hid and always gave 100%

Naby Keita  1/10- This was the season where he was supposed to step up and take over from ageing stars but he's not one to trust in difficult moments. Cost a lot, missed 75% of our league games (minutes) and was inconsistent. Won't be a big miss.

James Milner  5/10- Not the player he used to be but never hid and showed more guts than some of our ''leaders''

Curtis Jones   7/10- Breakthrough season for him. Added press-resistance and some goals to our midfield.

Jordan Henderson  2/10- Anonymous.

Fabinho  2/10- Great servant but he's done at this level unfortunately.

Alex Oxlade Chamberlin  4/10- Came in for a few games in January but wasn't very good.

Thiago Alcantara  6/10- Stop-start season

Stefan Bajcetic  10/10- Did very well in difficult circumstances for a teenager. Quite mature for his age.

Harvey Elliott  6/10- Wasn't great in the midfield but we had some experienced players that couldn't get a game. Hopefully, this experience helps him.

Fabio Carvalho   6/10- Didn't have many opportunities and he doesn't fit in tactically.

Luis Diaz   6/10- Missed large chunks and the final few games were like a mini-preseason for him

Roberto Firmino 8.5/10- Formed a good partnership with Darwin and had a high goal-to-game ratio. We were unlucky with his ''minor'' injury.

Mohamed Salah  6.5/10- Very good numbers but his confidence was shot for a decent chunk of the season which didn't help our cause.

Cody Gakpo  7/10- Started slowly but it's clear that he'll be a very good player here.

Diogo Jota  7/10- Scored very important goals. We could be looking at a Conference League place if he didn't finished that last minute chance against Spurs

Darwin Nunez  6/10- Not what we paid big money for. A bit unlucky to not have more assists because Mo's confidence was shot at that point in time. Needs to kick on next season.
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