Topic: Jonjo Shelvey

[stoa]

There is a huge difference between not celebrating or a subdued celebration and what he did which was effectively apologise for scoring.

To be honest, I took it rather as acknowledging the people clapping the goal than apologising for it...

[SlowRap]

Did you feel great when we were bringing on Brad Smith away at Chelsea?

That's in a total different position. We have plenty of midfielder; Lucas, Allen, Gerrard, Phil, Henderson, Alberto. You're forgetting the main fact which is that Shelvey chose to go

[Adeemo]

Shelvey will turn out a bit like Charlie Adam if you ask me.  He'll make for a great highlights reels and will go on the odd good run of scoring and assisting.  But over 90 minutes week in week out just won't do enough to make it at a top club.  He's found his level if you ask me.

Exactly, it seemed obvious to me that he would never be mobile enough to play in a Rodgers team and it was simply best for all concerned that he moved on last summer.

[Kopenhagen]

Jonjo didn't have enough game intelligence to make it here long-term. He'd be a decent bench option chasing a game, but he wanted regular football. I don't think Rodgers was keen on selling him. It's not fair on Alberto to compare him to Jonjo - one has played in England his entire life and the other has just moved here from the Seville. One thing is for certain, Alberto has "game intelligence" in bucket loads.

[Anywhichwayicant]

Only on RAWK would it be deemed an insult that he didn't celebrate.

[Redman0151]

Shelvey didn't fit what Rodgers was wanting to achieve from the team, it's as simple as that. It's about having the best players for your system not the best players

[thelinnen]

He lacks discipline as well, Gerrard did as well but he was worth risking it for.

[Nessy76]

Only on RAWK would it be deemed an insult that he didn't celebrate.

Ok, insult is taking it too far, just an irritating trend really.

[Chakan]

He scored, the crowd clapped the goal, he acknowledged it.

What am I missing?

[Redman0151]

He scored, the crowd clapped the goal, he acknowledged it.

What am I missing?

People looking waaaay too deep into everything as usual

[FlashingBlade]

He respects the club and fans, and scored a good goal, didn't lorde it,  and Liverpool fans responded with decency..no need to make anything of it.

[Ziltoid]

He scored, the crowd clapped the goal, he acknowledged it.

What am I missing?

He respects the club and fans, and scored a good goal, didn't lorde it,  and Liverpool fans responded with decency..no need to make anything of it.

Agreed. 

[Crosby Nick]

What would you have said if he went berserk and did a knee slide in front of the Kop?

How about a David Thompson point and shout of "Fuck Off" at the bench?

[Skeeve]

He scored, the crowd clapped the goal, he acknowledged it.

What am I missing?

It actually seemed more like he scored, held his hands up in an almost apologetic gesture and then the crowd clapped rather than him acknowledging the clapping.

[Brian Blessed]

I'm reminded of Crouch getting a little stick for not celebrating after he scored against us. But in both cases it brought the score to 2-1, their teams were still losing, so not much to celebrate, really.

[helmboy_nige]

The applauding only started when Shelvey held his hands up in an 'apology' for scoring.

It's rare that I agree with Andy Gray, but listening to him at half time he was raging  (as was Didi Hamman).  How many goals like that are you going to score in front of the Kop Jonjo?  There is a difference between badge kissing and celebrating scoring a superb goal that gets your team back into a match.

I'm really quite tired of this lack of celebrations when people score against their former clubs.  Where's the passion?  I'll bet if Suarez scored a key goal against Ajax in Europe he'd run around screaming and shouting like a mad thing.

Maybe I'm wrong, but it's all so nice and almost false it's gone so far.

Shelvey scored a great goal. Good on him. If it was me, my team mates would have had to chase me to the away fans I'd have been so delighted. It's not about who you are scoring against, but the fact that you've scored for the club you are now playing for.

[Crosby Nick]

Bellamy on the whole used to celebrate goals against teams he'd played for. But if he didn't he'd never have got to celebrate so that was understandable!

[EmotionalCitrus]

Tell yourself all day selling Shelvey was a good idea. I personally think we'll live to regret it.

One of the worst things about last season was having to watch Shelvey's piss poor imitation of Gerrard in our midfield.

[Alan_X]

Tell yourself all day selling Shelvey was a good idea. I personally think we'll live to regret it.

Seriously? How come Jonjo wasn't snapped up by Arsenal, City or Chelsea? How come United didn't jump in? or Bayern, Barca or Real Madrid?

Because he's a really nice lad, not a bad player but not top quality. If we regret selling Jonjo Shelvey it will be because we are competing at a lower level and not fighting for trophies. 

Get over it.

[AndyInVA]

He scored, the crowd clapped the goal, he acknowledged it.

What am I missing?

agree
what the fuck
it was a pretty digified acknowledgement to the crowd who he obviously still cares for
who clapped the worldy strike goal in return

what possible sub text is there

its not adebayor sprinting the damn touch line holding the badge of his new club

it was a great goal he just happened to score at anfield

[Oddball]

He told ferguson to fuck off.
The lad deserves eternal respect from us all for that. That act alone was worth a place in the squad.

I could tell Fergie I defaced his mothers grave. Does that mean I get to start?!

[El Lobo]

The applauding only started when Shelvey held his hands up in an 'apology' for scoring.

It's rare that I agree with Andy Gray, but listening to him at half time he was raging  (as was Didi Hamman).  How many goals like that are you going to score in front of the Kop Jonjo?  There is a difference between badge kissing and celebrating scoring a superb goal that gets your team back into a match.

I'm really quite tired of this lack of celebrations when people score against their former clubs.  Where's the passion?  I'll bet if Suarez scored a key goal against Ajax in Europe he'd run around screaming and shouting like a mad thing.

Maybe I'm wrong, but it's all so nice and almost false it's gone so far.

Shelvey scored a great goal. Good on him. If it was me, my team mates would have had to chase me to the away fans I'd have been so delighted. It's not about who you are scoring against, but the fact that you've scored for the club you are now playing for.

The sad thing is that people pay any remote attention to a goal celebration, or lack of.

It's a personal choice isn't it? The lad didn't fully celebrate out of respect. I'm not saying he should or shouldn't have, but the mere fact that he didn't shows he felt he was being respectful by not.

[AndyInVA]

Two own goals in two games against us

Couldn't stop laughing
I always loved his energy and going for goal

If ever there was someone who tries too hard

[Samvice]

Lads really not heading in the right direction.

[Jake]

What Carra said at HT spoke volumes.

Shipped out because of his temperment, not his ability.

[redgriffin73]

What Carra said at HT spoke volumes.

Shipped out because of his temperment, not his ability.

Yep, interesting comments, those. I always liked him but there's clearly something not quite right.

[PIPA23]

what exactly did Carra say?

[lindylou100]

He looked stouter than I remember him, like he's got weight problems. It's a shame for the lad as he hasn't developed into the gerrardesque figure we'd hoped. I still respect him though for leaving because he was ambitious and wanted to play regularly, I can't stand those players that refuse to leave because of the wedge they're on.

[rob1408]

what exactly did Carra say?

Basically, that Shelvey leaving was more to do with application than ability.

[AndyMuller]

Something not right in the head with Shelvey I think.

[Crosby Nick]

Something not right in the head with Shelvey I think.

It's Alopecia mate.

[[new username under construction]]

It's Alopecia mate.

ba dum tish

[Nessy76]

So I didn't see the match last night, did Jonjo celebrate this time?

[redgriffin73]

So I didn't see the match last night, did Jonjo celebrate this time?

[B0151?]

Basically, that Shelvey leaving was more to do with application than ability.

 I think I remember reading Rodgers would have been happy for him to stay.

I guess that illustrates it perfectly. Rodgers happy for him to stay because he's got talent, but really not fussed if he did leave because he doesn't make the most of it.

[SamAteTheRedAcid]

Christ, Carra has been pretty blunt there. But you can't really disagree with him when faced with what we know - his concentration, which I guess is linked to discipline in a way, is shocking.

That clip before the own goal, I remember a lot of ire being directed at Johnson for his jokes with Ronaldo earlier in the season for example, but Shelvey is even worse there, looked a real fool.

[Durlmints]

Christ, Carra has been pretty blunt there. But you can't really disagree with him when faced with what we know - his concentration, which I guess is linked to discipline in a way, is shocking.

That clip before the own goal, I remember a lot of ire being directed at Johnson for his jokes with Ronaldo earlier in the season for example, but Shelvey is even worse there, looked a real fool.

Bit harsh.

Lallana turned around to him and said "Troops b4 a sesh".

[[new username under construction]]

4 Games huh, ouch

[GBF]

4 Games huh, ouch

'cause he aint an important England national team player

[Barneylfc∗]

4 Games huh, ouch

I thought that was harsh as fuck considering Cisse only got 3, but the extra game is due to Jonjo already having been sent off earlier in the season.