Topic: COVID-19:VERIFIED news sources, 0 politishit, 0 CONSPIRACY SHITE

[rob1966]

They had to close markets in London and somewhere else as huge crowds were gathering. Just totally stupid to be honest, before long it will be straight back up again and we will be back in lockdown.

My missus is excited for Christmas, we'll be seeing friends who we know don't go out and mingle, I'm sort of OK with it, as I've got 2 kids, one in Primary and one in senior school, so that's probably riskier, but she gets narky with me as I'm in the main pissed off about it all as I know we'll get lockdown 3 in January. Sadly the English are idiots and cannot be trusted to behave, the scenes on the last night before this lockdown showed just how stupid the people of this septic isle are.

[John Higgins]

Sorry I was only posting them for trending

Wasn’t  having a pop at you, apologies if you thought so. They’re  valuable, just didn’t want north west folks misinterpreting them.

[Son of Spion]

Sorry, I don't remember which poster asked recently it they could have a covid test in Liverpool if they lived and worked outside the city itself. The poster gave Halton as an example area.

Anyway, the Echo website is reporting that the whole city region will be rolling out covid tests to people without symptoms from next week. Areas mentioned were Sefton, Wirral, Halton, Knowsley and St. Helens.

On my phone, so can't link. People wanting a test should keep a lookout to see where the test centres will be located.

[Fromola]

They had to close markets in London and somewhere else as huge crowds were gathering. Just totally stupid to be honest, before long it will be straight back up again and we will be back in lockdown.

Huge crowds gathering in town centres in the weeks before Christmas, when it's a 5 day free for all for extended families to meet. What could possibly go wrong?

If people want a normal Christmas with their family then it's important to follow guidelines and where possible isolate in the build up to Christmas.

I can understand they're trying to save retail and the GDP last quarter figures but we'll all be paying for it in Jan-Feb.

[filopastry]

2,021 cases reported today in Wales, ouch

[Wabaloolah]

2,021 cases reported today in Wales, ouch

Its a mess here, an absolute mess so not surprised

[Wabaloolah]

Where I live we have been in some form of local lockdown since September, then we went into the Firebreak lockdown that covered a two week period of half-term.  They came out of that with a National (Wales level) strategy rather than moving back into some fall of local restrictions and the National strategy was pretty much do anything within reason.  You could visit people at home within a three house bubble, you could meet up with friends at a pub and sit at the table with up to 4 people who could all belong to a different household and after limiting people's movement where I live (Caerphilly County Borough) since September, there was now no restriction on travel!

When the firebreak ended, cases here (CCBC) infections per 100,000 were much higher than where we were when we went into local lockdown in September.  The Welsh government have gone from handling it very well initially compared to the UK to it being an absolute clusterfuck.  The First Minister now has the nickname of Mark Dripford!

Now talk of new restrictions after Christmas, why leave it until after is anybody's guess, hopefully the decision to shut pubs at 6pm and ban the sale of alcohol in any that are open will have the desired affect, otherwise it is going to be absolute carnage.  People aren't listening or following the guidelines in the main.  They will be responsible for the deaths of their relatives but clearly they don't care or will seek to blame others when they should be responsible for their own actions

[filopastry]

UK numbers for today

Cases 14,718 (prior week 12,330)
Deaths 189 (prior week 205)

Case numbers by sample date



Regional trends for England

[WorldChampions]

Who's actually responsible for this vaccine then, I see the manufacturers have managed to dodge responsibility.

From NHS documents:

Professional responsibility and accountability: A key issue to consider is
that in the case of a PSD the prescriber takes full accountability and
responsibility for the patient and the members of staff administering the vaccine

I know a few doctors that are worried they will be on the hook for prescribing it. If someone dies as a result (or suspected) and the family decide to take legal action, does anyone know who takes the wrap?

[CraigDS]

Who's actually responsible for this vaccine then, I see the manufacturers have managed to dodge responsibility.

From NHS documents:

I know a few doctors that are worried they will be on the hook for prescribing it. If someone dies as a result (or suspected) and the family decide to take legal action, does anyone know who takes the wrap?

You'd imagine it falls on the body responsible for approving it for use unless they can prove they were duped by the manufacturer during this process.

[ScandinavianPete]

The Swedish herd immunity ghouls have been quiet of late, can’t think why.

https://twitter.com/bopanc/status/1335581419977003008?s=21

This comment keeps popping up and I think it’s more to do with your journalists than anything to do with Sweden. I feel like your journalists are especially hung up on Norway being like Sweden except for “corona strategy”. But the countries have had very different stories the last 60 years.

Before oil Norway used to be poor. Think shepherds and fishermen, perhaps a bit like Scotland except the Norwegians got to keep their oil money. Shepherding became mountaineering and fishing became cruise ships on the fjords. They can afford a Polish nurse each.

Sweden on the other hand followed your lead and shipped our heavy industry to south east Asia. Then our “Third way” socialists privatized elderly care and shut down the majority of care homes. With privatization staff education levels dwindled. That was followed by high staff rotation and lots of temp staff - perfect way for a virus entering care homes.

Broad strokes, I know, but the reporting on this pandemic is so sloppy and your press seems to be the worst. They turn up at Swedish press conferences trying to antagonize and provoke reactions with school yard gossip. It's really awkward.

[daindan]

Who's actually responsible for this vaccine then, I see the manufacturers have managed to dodge responsibility.

From NHS documents:

I know a few doctors that are worried they will be on the hook for prescribing it. If someone dies as a result (or suspected) and the family decide to take legal action, does anyone know who takes the wrap?

They also have some scheme if you become disabled as a result of a vaccine you can get a payout.

[Andy_lfc]

They also have some scheme if you become disabled as a result of a vaccine you can get a payout.

I'm sorry, but I feel you are going to have to provide a source for this assertion - without that it sounds like scaremongering.

[RainbowFlick]

I'm sorry, but I feel you are going to have to provide a source for this assertion - without that it sounds like scaremongering.

The Vaccine Damage Payment is a longstanding thing and applies to any vaccine you've probably taken: https://www.gov.uk/vaccine-damage-payment

There were a few sensationalist headlines the other day about an indemnity being placed between Pfizer and the government so that any serious damage would be compensated by the Vaccine Damage Payment scheme, which is very normal.

While I think the payout number is low/a bit arbitrary, the indemnity prevents an individual needing to fight a big-pharma company in what would likely be expensive and drawn out litigation. What many people also fail to understand are is that these payouts are not common. Something around 1 in 1 million doses of vaccines have 'serious' effects. Any side effects are usually found in the short term which is why a large net of trial participants were chosen.

I believe this scheme doesn't necessarily stop you pursuing it via the courts, but I'd imagine you'd be fighting against the UK Government and not a big-pharma company. The payment via the Vaccine Damage Payment isn't really "compensation" but more a support payment.

[RainbowFlick]

I know a few doctors that are worried they will be on the hook for prescribing it. If someone dies as a result (or suspected) and the family decide to take legal action, does anyone know who takes the wrap?

Doctors have to take professional indemnity insurance (as with most professions that require a higher qualification). I'm surprised your Doctor friends are unaware of this.

[spen71]

So today is hopefully the beginning of the end for this pandemic.    Hopefully governments across the world have realised you cannot short change on health care and that it needs to be fully funded to stop another one

[Guz-kop]

So today is hopefully the beginning of the end for this pandemic.    Hopefully governments across the world have realised you cannot short change on health care and that it needs to be fully funded to stop another one

The next 3-4 months are likely to be extrenely difficult. This v day hyperbole is hard to cheer when the true picture in hard hit areas is known

[1892tillforever]

So today is hopefully the beginning of the end for this pandemic.    Hopefully governments across the world have realised you cannot short change on health care and that it needs to be fully funded to stop another one

Wow, today is the day! Two doses across 21 days. Fingers crossed it works as hoped!

The next 3-4 months are likely to be extrenely difficult

Yes, no getting away from that fact. Here's hoping 2021 is brighter than 2020 though.

[redbyrdz]

Regional trends for England

Shops in London are open again?

[TSC]

The next 3-4 months are likely to be extrenely difficult. This v day hyperbole is hard to cheer when the true picture in hard hit areas is known

Appears to be labelled ‘v-day’ on bbc.  Apparently the second person to get it is called William Shakespeare.  Coverage on itv and sky more measured. 

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Hancock on bbc referring to the ‘Oxford’ vaccine; “I won’t put any pressure on the MHRA but I hope that gets approved”.

[TepidT2O]

So today is hopefully the beginning of the end for this pandemic.    Hopefully governments across the world have realised you cannot short change on health care and that it needs to be fully funded to stop another one

It’s certainly the end of the beginning ....

I think we’re still going to be looking at some measures for quite some time though.. but at least we now have hope and an end to look at

[Zeb]

BBC coverage on radio 4 is definitely off from situation we're actually in. Hancock is actually being the sober voice to it in pointing out there are months yet to go and he's worried about them. Hancock is saying that by Christmas that he expects several million to have been vaccinated under phase 1 but it's months off to cover everyone who needs it and we still don't know about transmission even after being vaccinated. Also concerned over delivery schedule of vaccines.

[Snail]

It’s certainly the end of the beginning ....

I think we’re still going to be looking at some measures for quite some time though.. but at least we now have hope and an end to look at

That's it for me. I know there's still a long, long way to go but there is some sort of tangible end in sight now at least. On a slightly related note, we had to postpone our wedding to July 17th this year and we got an email off the venue last night to say they'll be contacting us in the new year to talk about plans so fingers crossed.

[Crosby Nick]

That's it for me. I know there's still a long, long way to go but there is some sort of tangible end in sight now at least. On a slightly related note, we had to postpone our wedding to July 17th this year and we got an email off the venue last night to say they'll be contacting us in the new year to talk about plans so fingers crossed.

Good luck with that, have to hope by then you’ll be ok.

[classycarra]

Hopefully governments across the world have realised you cannot short change on health care and that it needs to be fully funded to stop another one

If you don't mind me being a little nitpicky, I would add public health to what needs to be invested in.

In fact in very oversimplified terms - the more resource that's invested in public health (and in addressing inequalities) in the first place, the lower a burden there is on health care (freeing up resources to make interventions).

Not disagreeing with you, just adding it on. In the UK, such is the esteem of the NHS, it's important that voters know that it's not just the NHS which needs its funding addressing. It's local and national public health.

[Zeb]

Interesting study across 1.4 million people by the Zoe app team. They wanted to see if there was anything to suggest that taking vitamins etc. helps protect you from catching Coronavirus. So far as their results show, it seems that supplements such as taking vitamin D, multivitamins, or probiotics does have a link to not catching it. But only for women. So they're a bit puzzled as to what cause and effect is going on. Their advice is to just eat a healthy diet anyway as the difference isn't so large as to make them think they should be recommending specific things to take.

[rob1966]

Just heard a great story. Works colleagues Mother in Law is 87, double transplant recipient and the longest surviving liver transplant recipient in the UK. No immune system at all, due to the blockers, she recently caught an infection and ended up in hospital 5 weeks ago, where she caught Covid. Family thought that was it fr her - she walked out of hospital yesterday having fully recovered from both.

[Fromola]

Matt Hancock overcome with emotion on V-Day after learning ‘William Shakespeare’ is second patient to get jab
'It makes me proud to be British’
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/matt-hancock-emotional-v-day-william-shakespeare-vaccine-b218244.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1607425714

Who needs Chris Morris?

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Who needs Chris Morris?

Quite the revelation for Matt that.  Shakespeare lives!

[Lusty]

I bet they've spent the last week searching for the patient with the most patriotic name to be the first in the country to be vaccinated while the Prime Minister watches on, and somehow there's been an admin fuck up and Margaret Keenan got to the front of the queue with William Shakespeare ending up second.

[filopastry]

Interesting story in the Times today, that they are looking to start some small trials of giving people mixed doses of vaccine (one dose of Pfizer and one of AZ), to see if it gives an improved immune response.

Even using 2 different adenovirus platforms (AZ and Janssen) should I suppose theoretically produce a better immune response, as you don't get the issue on the second dose of the body having been exposed to the same viral vector before.

[RainbowFlick]

Interesting story in the Times today, that they are looking to start some small trials of giving people mixed doses of vaccine (one dose of Pfizer and one of AZ), to see if it gives an improved immune response.

Even using 2 different adenovirus platforms (AZ and Janssen) should I suppose theoretically produce a better immune response, as you don't get the issue on the second dose of the body having been exposed to the same viral vector before.

Interesting. I assumed it'd be better having different 'types' of vaccines available for the future when immunity slowly disappears. E.g. Pfizer now and then in 2 years maybe taking Novavax instead.

[LovelyCushionedHeader]

Interesting story in the Times today, that they are looking to start some small trials of giving people mixed doses of vaccine (one dose of Pfizer and one of AZ), to see if it gives an improved immune response.

Even using 2 different adenovirus platforms (AZ and Janssen) should I suppose theoretically produce a better immune response, as you don't get the issue on the second dose of the body having been exposed to the same viral vector before.

Don't know why they need to do trials, I've already done the maths. Pfizer at 95% and AZ at 90% gives you 185% immunity.

[djahern]

It’s certainly the end of the beginning ....

I think we’re still going to be looking at some measures for quite some time though.. but at least we now have hope and an end to look at

Certainly looks more optimistic today than even a 6-8 weeks ago. You’re right though, we’re entering into a really difficult period now for lots of reasons.

A resurgence in transmission is expected before the end of the winter, with vaccinations having begun it’s going to be tougher at the same time to get some people to maintain social distancing - a natural reaction I guess. We’ll also have some that believe the vaccination programme is proceeding too slowly and others who believe it’s proceeding too fast. We’ll have a lot of sketchy information in the media and social media regarding vaccine safety. We’ll have reports of people catching covid from the vaccine when in fact they’ve just left their guard down too early after they’ve got their jab and picked it up from family before their immunity kicks in. We’ll have reports of people of having hearts attacks and all sorts after vaccination even though it’s coincidental and nothing to do with the vaccination.

All adds up to make it a tricky period coming up. Still optimistic that we’re heading out of this now though - increased population immunity should meet with better weather sometime in the spring to bring transmission rates right down and into the range where test and trace can work more effectively to control it and keep it there. The AstraZeneca/oxford or J and J vaccine coming onboard sometime in jan-March could make a huge difference in getting us there earlier too so fingers crossed for those.

[TSC]

Don't know why they need to do trials, I've already done the maths. Pfizer at 95% and AZ at 90% gives you 185% immunity.

Astra has yet to pass regulatory approval of course.

[Crosby Nick]

Appears to be labelled ‘v-day’ on bbc.  Apparently the second person to get it is called William Shakespeare.  Coverage on itv and sky more measured. 

Some cracking Shakespeare puns flying around on Twitter as a result of this. The Taming of the Flu and Two Gentlemen of Corona being the pick of the bunch.

[Jm55]

A Midsummer Night’s Vaccine.

[didi shamone]

Appears to be labelled ‘v-day’ on bbc.  Apparently the second person to get it is called William Shakespeare.  Coverage on itv and sky more measured.

His sister has now invited him to stay with her for Christmas.

[Musketeer Gripweed]

Comedy of Errors