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rebel23 · « **Reply #2920 on:** June 3, 2020, 09:09:25 pm »

Quote from: FlashGordon on June 3, 2020, 09:04:48 pm

Yeah the last year or two they have been incredible. Don't be too worried if they drift a little either.

I'm going to do the double with Ladcrooks at 9am Best Odds Guaranteed and they boost the odds as well it's quite a nice concession

Thanks for the tip!

rebel23 · « **Reply #2921 on:** June 4, 2020, 07:54:04 am »

A guide to the 2yo''s here:

https://www.racingpost.com/news/racings-back/trainer-quotes-to-help-guide-you-through-the-six-two-year-old-races-at-newmarket/435889

Charlie Appleby, trainer of Magical Land (2.25), Creative Force (3.00), Sky Angel (3.35) and Sunset Memory (4.10)

The colts are sharper than the fillies. After this week at Newmarket we’ll know where we stand in terms of Royal Ascot two-year-olds. Of the four who run on Thursday I particularly like the Frankel colt Magical Land. He's from a family with natural pace.
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Just confirms the stats.. back the colts in a double!:) That's what i'm doing just a small stake for a bit of interest.

FlashGordon · « **Reply #2922 on:** June 4, 2020, 03:12:14 pm »

Didn't see the race for the Frankel colt? 6f a bit on the sharp side for him? They all seem to want further.

rebel23 · « **Reply #2923 on:** June 4, 2020, 07:13:54 pm »

Frustrating that the short priced one couldn't win!

That's why i dont bet in those races really. Minefield.

Tomorrow's card is brilliant though so looking forward to that.

Phil M · « **Reply #2924 on:** June 4, 2020, 10:59:21 pm »

Ghaiyyath v Stradivarius looks a straight head to head.
Defoe the best of the rest?

duvva 💅 · « **Reply #2925 on:** June 5, 2020, 12:18:56 am »

Quote from: Phil M on June 4, 2020, 10:59:21 pm

Ghaiyyath v Stradivarius looks a straight head to head.
Defoe the best of the rest?

Not sure I’d dismiss Defoe that easily. Distance may on the short side for Stradivarius these days plus never know which version of Ghaiyyath will show. At the prices I’d rather be with Defoe if having a bet (I’m not), but should be a good race to watch

Gerry Attrick · « **Reply #2926 on:** June 5, 2020, 12:26:32 am »

I wouldn't dismiss the O'Brien pair easily either. I think the Leger trip was spot on for him last year, but he never got there and he'd probably need this to be run at a furious lick. If Ghayyaith does run fresh on the front and softens them up he'd be well capable of picking up the pieces I think. What will we get from AVD? God knows, he's ran 5 times since he won the Derby and 2 of them have been horrendous runs. The other few were pretty good. Would need to bring his A game and then some. Probably require a career best. I think it'd be a no bet race for me, just an interesting one to watch.

rebel23 · « **Reply #2927 on:** June 5, 2020, 01:20:25 am »

Quote from: Phil M on June 4, 2020, 10:59:21 pm

Ghaiyyath v Stradivarius looks a straight head to head.
Defoe the best of the rest?

I like Strad but also Van Dyke. O'Brien s a Group 1 monster and Ryan Moore on board you can't discount them. I think I will back whoever emerges as 2nd Fav (looks like Strad at the moment) . The market will speak volumes tomorrow so keep an eye on it.

rebel23 · « **Reply #2928 on:** June 5, 2020, 01:35:52 am »

Quote from: Gerry Attrick on June 5, 2020, 12:26:32 am

he's ran 5 times since he won the Derby and 2 of them have been horrendous runs. The other few were pretty good. Would need to bring his A game and then some. Probably require a career best. I think it'd be a no bet race for me, just an interesting one to watch.

Yeah Derby winners rarely run well again and we rarely see them again. They have kept him in training for a reason and tomorrow could be their plan. It is currently 7/1 if that shortens into say 9/2 or less then I will be interested...

rebel23 · « **Reply #2929 on:** June 5, 2020, 03:12:12 am »

Its interesting that Strad has never won over 12f while AVD is more a specialist .

Also Moore/O'Brien in Group races are a strong pairing and so is Dettori/Gosden. Gosden is also in flying form since Monday he's had 5 winners so their running well.

I find it hard to split them to be honest. I might back BOTH or look to the market for guidance. I'll make a decision nearer the time.

Should be a cracking race though and truly fascinating,

rebel23 · « **Reply #2930 on:** June 5, 2020, 08:29:41 am »

Right... Having slept on it i'm just going to back the 2nd Fav either Strad or AVD whichever of those 2 is 2nd Fav.

Looks like Strad to me will qualify though you never know. Money could come very late for AVD nearer the off and that's when my decision will be made

Never underestimate Ballydoyle! They're very difficult to get right at the best of times.

FlashGordon · « **Reply #2931 on:** June 5, 2020, 01:39:21 pm »

Archie Watson is relentless with the 2yos. I'm going with Broome in the Coronation Cup, very small bet at a nice price.

Gerry Attrick · « **Reply #2932 on:** June 5, 2020, 01:40:25 pm »

Poor from ITV I think, got a stacked day and they've put it on ITV4 so Judge Rinder and Tenable can be shown. This is an amazing opportunity for racing and they could've had it in the spotlight. A lot of people won't even know it's on.

FlashGordon · « **Reply #2933 on:** June 5, 2020, 01:53:02 pm »

Quote from: Gerry Attrick on June 5, 2020, 01:40:25 pm

Poor from ITV I think, got a stacked day and they've put it on ITV4 so Judge Rinder and Tenable can be shown. This is an amazing opportunity for racing and they could've had it in the spotlight. A lot of people won't even know it's on.

Makes no sense at all. Staxton e/w in this.

Gerry Attrick · « **Reply #2934 on:** June 5, 2020, 01:55:13 pm »

A 40/1 poke to start us off

FlashGordon · « **Reply #2935 on:** June 5, 2020, 01:56:35 pm »

And if you had Crowley up on a horse worth 2,000,000 he'd be nowhere.

Gerry Attrick · « **Reply #2936 on:** June 5, 2020, 01:57:46 pm »

Jockeys all over isn't it? Win on ones you'd never pick but don't get your hotpots home.

Trendisnotdestiny · « **Reply #2937 on:** June 5, 2020, 02:12:34 pm »

Want to put a fiver on Sylvinho in the 6th race to win

duvva 💅 · « **Reply #2938 on:** June 5, 2020, 03:41:17 pm »

I imagine the front 3 will all be happy enough with that as a starting point. Defoe a bit disappointing after chasing the pace he was the one who faded

Gerry Attrick · « **Reply #2939 on:** June 5, 2020, 03:41:45 pm »

Ghaiyyath just burned them off. AVD was closing but the gap was too big by then. Stradivarius and Broome were just taken off their feet.

FlashGordon · « **Reply #2940 on:** June 5, 2020, 03:43:27 pm »

English King being backed off the boards, I would've had a cut off him at a nice price for the Derby but that looks like it's gone now. He was very impressive though.

duvva 💅 · « **Reply #2941 on:** June 5, 2020, 03:51:54 pm »

Quote from: FlashGordon on June 5, 2020, 03:43:27 pm

English King being backed off the boards, I would've had a cut off him at a nice price for the Derby but that looks like it's gone now. He was very impressive though.

No idea they were running the trials at Lingfield today. Last years Derby winner came from that race (first in a while mind)

Gerry Attrick · « **Reply #2942 on:** June 5, 2020, 04:17:13 pm »

The Oaks winner did as well (Anapurna). I'm not convinced they're the strongest trials, due to no Irish horses etc but English King couldn't have won more easily. Military March is the one I like in the Derby. Guineas trip will almost certainly be too sharp unless there's a ferocious pace on.

Gerry Attrick · « **Reply #2943 on:** June 5, 2020, 04:58:45 pm »

Ghaiyyath ran a course record time today, so everything in behind should be marked up accordingly if they don't re-oppose anywhere.

duvva 💅 · « **Reply #2944 on:** June 5, 2020, 05:17:21 pm »

Quote from: Gerry Attrick on June 5, 2020, 04:58:45 pm

Ghaiyyath ran a course record time today, so everything in behind should be marked up accordingly if they don't re-oppose anywhere.

Not taking anything away as it looked an impressive performance but as a slight caution I’d say the ground is very fast. Been no rain around here for weeks if not a Month or so. Don’t think it was a bad prep for Stradivarius Gold Cup defence in 2 weeks though

FlashGordon · « **Reply #2945 on:** June 5, 2020, 05:18:07 pm »

Big tailwind down the straight as well.

Gerry Attrick · « **Reply #2946 on:** June 5, 2020, 05:20:28 pm »

No doubt those things are factors, but a horse like Anthony Van Dyck was returning off the back of a shocking run last season, so I'm inclined to mark up what he's done there behind a horse that had a pipe opener in Dubai and ran a rattling fast time.

FlashGordon · « **Reply #2947 on:** June 5, 2020, 05:31:30 pm »

Quote from: Gerry Attrick on June 5, 2020, 05:20:28 pm

No doubt those things are factors, but a horse like Anthony Van Dyck was returning off the back of a shocking run last season, so I'm inclined to mark up what he's done there behind a horse that had a pipe opener in Dubai and ran a rattling fast time.

Oh yeah I think you could take a lot from the first 3 or 4.

A horse I've put in the notebook for next time from today is Verboten.

duvva 💅 · « **Reply #2948 on:** June 6, 2020, 01:28:03 am »

Race before the Guineas could throw up a Derby horse or two. First two in the market look interesting not sure if the Queens horse is entered though.

Looking forward to watching the Guineas, Pinatubo is the most exciting 2yr old since Frankel for me, be nice to see him fulfil his potential at 3

liversaint · « **Reply #2949 on:** June 6, 2020, 06:59:50 am »

Not got too involved so far, was just taking a watching brief to start.

Pinatubo will take some beating but value may be had with Wichita and Kameko e.w in the 2000 Guineas.

Mark Johnston seems to be in form with 8/36, trying to read his form is very unpredictable though.

Haydock 3 days on the bounce, be heavy by teatime if this rain continues

RobbieRedman · « **Reply #2950 on:** June 6, 2020, 09:45:28 am »

Can't wait to see Pinatubo

Hope he romps home again

FlashGordon · « **Reply #2951 on:** June 6, 2020, 09:52:41 am »

Quote from: duvva on June 6, 2020, 01:28:03 am

Race before the Guineas could throw up a Derby horse or two. First two in the market look interesting not sure if the Queens horse is entered though.

Looking forward to watching the Guineas, Pinatubo is the most exciting 2yr old since Frankel for me, be nice to see him fulfil his potential at 3

Can't wait to see Waldkonig in that race. Could be new market leader for the Derby if he's as good as they think.

liversaint · « **Reply #2952 on:** June 6, 2020, 10:18:59 am »

Quote from: FlashGordon on June 6, 2020, 09:52:41 am

Can't wait to see Waldkonig in that race. Could be new market leader for the Derby if he's as good as they think.

Was very impressive on debut. Should have enough today but I think Al Aasy wil run well and has course form.

FlashGordon · « **Reply #2953 on:** June 6, 2020, 10:22:22 am »

Quote from: livewiresaint on June 6, 2020, 10:18:59 am

Was very impressive on debut. Should have enough today but I think Al Aasy wil run well and has course form.

There's a few lively ones in there no doubt, I'll only be having a watching brief. Be nice to see him go and win comfortably though.

Gerry Attrick · « **Reply #2954 on:** June 6, 2020, 10:26:32 am »

Quite interesting that Godolphin are allowing Dettori to sit on Gosden's horses.

liversaint · « **Reply #2955 on:** June 6, 2020, 10:30:49 am »

Quote from: Gerry Attrick on June 6, 2020, 10:26:32 am

Quite interesting that Godolphin are allowing Dettori to sit on Gosden's horses.

Reading between the lines, it looks like Gosden has smoothed over some of the cracks, was hinted at in the RP recently.

Gerry Attrick · « **Reply #2956 on:** June 6, 2020, 10:32:12 am »

Quote from: livewiresaint on June 6, 2020, 10:30:49 am

Reading between the lines, it looks like Gosden has smoothed over some of the cracks, was hinted at in the RP recently.

Without Gosden I don't think Dettori would even be a jockey anymore.

FlashGordon · « **Reply #2957 on:** June 6, 2020, 10:41:37 am »

Quote from: Gerry Attrick on June 6, 2020, 10:32:12 am

Without Gosden I don't think Dettori would even be a jockey anymore.

He's so good though surely someone would have picked him up.

Gerry Attrick · « **Reply #2958 on:** June 6, 2020, 11:15:14 am »

Quote from: FlashGordon on June 6, 2020, 10:41:37 am

He's so good though surely someone would have picked him up.

He's probably the best big race jockey around but when Godolphin ditched him he was nowhere. Gosden gave him a second career really.

FlashGordon · « **Reply #2959 on:** June 6, 2020, 11:17:39 am »

Quote from: Gerry Attrick on June 6, 2020, 11:15:14 am

He's probably the best big race jockey around but when Godolphin ditched him he was nowhere. Gosden gave him a second career really.

Yeah that's probably fair, that time is just before I got in to racing properly so I don't know too much about it.