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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36800 on: June 23, 2022, 07:00:09 pm »
Name the last player to leave them with their reputation enhanced rather than diminished / utterly destroyed ? Do we have to go back to the younger version of the preening prima donna who is currently leading the line for them ? I can’t think of any since him.

That Beanz lad went to West Ham and did reasonably well, unfortunately it was only a loan and so he is back amongst it again.

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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36801 on: June 23, 2022, 07:19:57 pm »
I fear you are all wrong about Manchester City.  The world has billions of potential football consumers, who are going to lap up whatever the latest shiny superteam offers.
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Yet after a decade since Man City have won their first PL title under Abu Dhabi, I am yet to see a single Man City shirt in the entire South-East Europe ...

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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36802 on: June 23, 2022, 07:40:52 pm »
That Beanz lad went to West Ham and did reasonably well, unfortunately it was only a loan and so he is back amongst it again.

Even he doesn’t count. He temporarily enhanced his reputation by leaving Man U, not by being at Man U.
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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36803 on: June 23, 2022, 07:53:38 pm »
Even he doesn’t count. He temporarily enhanced his reputation by leaving Man U, not by being at Man U.

True, True. I mis read that.
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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36804 on: June 23, 2022, 09:04:48 pm »
Yet after a decade since Man City have won their first PL title under Abu Dhabi, I am yet to see a single Man City shirt in the entire South-East Europe ...

Lies. The most commercially successful club in the entire world must have shirts everywhere.

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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36805 on: June 23, 2022, 09:19:06 pm »
Name the last player to leave them with their reputation enhanced rather than diminished / utterly destroyed ? Do we have to go back to the younger version of the preening prima donna who is currently leading the line for them ? I can’t think of any since him.

I think it's more case of who have they bought who had tremendous potential to become a great footballer and achieved that status while being at that club. These were already very good footballers hence they purchased them in the first place. However they did not kick on and become even better by moving to a bigger 'better' club. Which is what should have happened. The players that left rebuilt their careers which just goes to show how good they were that could leave them and still manage to pick up where they were before they went there. Even alexi went to inter and and found better form.
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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36806 on: June 23, 2022, 09:43:09 pm »
Lies. The most commercially successful club in the entire world must have shirts everywhere.

There was this massive manufacturing defect that means when you look at the shirt, your eyes cannot recognise it as a city shirt and it looks like something completely different
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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36807 on: June 23, 2022, 10:57:55 pm »
There was this massive manufacturing defect that means when you look at the shirt, your eyes cannot recognise it as a city shirt and it looks like something completely different
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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36808 on: June 23, 2022, 10:59:41 pm »
They're after Michael Edwards along with Chelsea.

But then I read that they are taking on tom Keane, brother of Michael, a fairly junior lawyer cum intermediary.  Either extremely inspired or misguided.  Vote!

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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36809 on: June 24, 2022, 01:40:56 am »
These are absolutely gash.

Get excited because their new fella who runs the club is in the pub chatting shite to a load of weirdo bellends and says they've spent £1BN badly - no shit sherlock, absolutely fantastic insight. Not signed a player yet as far as I know. Honestly Ferguson leaving them was one of the best days of my life because you couldn't argue when they ruined my childhood ;D . All they've got when they come to Anfield now is deep in the gutter songs about tragedy at 3 nil down.

I'd feel bad about the whole Glazer thing if they had shown a modicum of support for us through Hicks and Gillett, but they didn't, so fuck them. Hope they finish 6th again.
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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36810 on: June 24, 2022, 03:02:49 am »
Lies. The most commercially successful club in the entire world must have shirts everywhere.

Some poster in the Chelsea thread will tell you it's because they're all Chelsea shirts.
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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36811 on: June 24, 2022, 07:39:34 am »
Funny thinking back to when they got ragnick in and I think they had a half decent performance (by their standards!) and they properly thought they were on to something  ;D

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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36812 on: June 24, 2022, 08:30:57 am »
- Eriksen choosing between United and Brentford
- Getting quoted super high fees (wonder why..) for De Jong and Antony
- Ronaldo moaning about the lack of transfers (have they signed anyone yet?)

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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36813 on: June 24, 2022, 08:47:19 am »
Interesting stuff in the Athletic about Utd’s transfer strategy this summer - they had a long list put together by Rangnick’s team that they’ve scrapped upon Ten Hag’s appointment.

De Jong, the main target for this summer, had at no stage been a player considered by the hierarchy prior to Ten Hag’s appointment, so they’d done zero scouting of him which is partially what’s delayed movement on a deal. Further to this, De Jong - like all Ajax players - revered Barcelona growing up and will reportedly cling on to his position there even if they want him out, as he rates himself as good enough to eventually prove his superior quality.

Transfers are going to be later in the window for the main business Utd want to do, as their main targets, like De Jong, may principally be players reticent to step away from CL clubs in order to join and Utd need them to feel the discomfort of not being wanted by their current sides.

This to me says that they will probably sign a player or two from Ajax then do their usual trick of wasting time pursuing big name players who have no intention of ever playing there.
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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36814 on: June 24, 2022, 08:53:01 am »
Interesting stuff in the Athletic about Utd’s transfer strategy this summer - they had a long list put together by Rangnick’s team that they’ve scrapped upon Ten Hag’s appointment.

De Jong, the main target for this summer, had at no stage been a player considered by the hierarchy prior to Ten Hag’s appointment, so they’d done zero scouting of him which is partially what’s delayed movement on a deal. Further to this, De Jong - like all Ajax players - revered Barcelona growing up and will reportedly cling on to his position there even if they want him out, as he rates himself as good enough to eventually prove his superior quality.

Transfers are going to be later in the window for the main business Utd want to do, as their main targets, like De Jong, may principally be players reticent to step away from CL clubs in order to join and Utd need them to feel the discomfort of not being wanted by their current sides.

This to me says that they will probably sign a player or two from Ajax then do their usual trick of wasting time pursuing big name players who have no intention of ever playing there.

Problem they have now is Ajax have already sold a fair few players this summer and raised some funds so they don't necessarily have to sell anymore so it will take massive offers to get players like Antony and Timber etc so Utd will have to massively overpay if they want them  ;D

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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36815 on: June 24, 2022, 09:06:13 am »
Interesting stuff in the Athletic about Utd’s transfer strategy this summer - they had a long list put together by Rangnick’s team that they’ve scrapped upon Ten Hag’s appointment.

De Jong, the main target for this summer, had at no stage been a player considered by the hierarchy prior to Ten Hag’s appointment, so they’d done zero scouting of him which is partially what’s delayed movement on a deal. Further to this, De Jong - like all Ajax players - revered Barcelona growing up and will reportedly cling on to his position there even if they want him out, as he rates himself as good enough to eventually prove his superior quality.

Transfers are going to be later in the window for the main business Utd want to do, as their main targets, like De Jong, may principally be players reticent to step away from CL clubs in order to join and Utd need them to feel the discomfort of not being wanted by their current sides.

This to me says that they will probably sign a player or two from Ajax then do their usual trick of wasting time pursuing big name players who have no intention of ever playing there.

Yet for months they've been saying the players put forward as targets by Rangnick would fit the Ajax/Ten Hag playing style plus that their new recruitment strategy would be to buy for how the club want to play their football and not who the new manager wants 😂

Absolutely nothing has changed and they wonder why they're such a mess from top to bottom.

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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36816 on: June 24, 2022, 11:44:47 am »
Yet for months they've been saying the players put forward as targets by Rangnick would fit the Ajax/Ten Hag playing style plus that their new recruitment strategy would be to buy for how the club want to play their football and not who the new manager wants 😂

Absolutely nothing has changed and they wonder why they're such a mess from top to bottom.

And this is why you recruit for a set playing style rather than with specific managerial targets in mind

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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36817 on: June 24, 2022, 11:46:07 am »
It's hilarious they had Rangnick at the club and had him manage and not do the stuff he's actually good at. Sums them up really.

Thought they'd be on the right track if they gave him a few years to build but now they've got a bloke who just wants to buy anyone who's got a connection with Ajax.

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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36818 on: June 24, 2022, 12:01:00 pm »
At any stage last season did anyone look at United and think 'what these guys are missing is a 30 year old attacking midfielder with a heart condition who can't tackle, doesn't press, and is unlikely to have the fitness to track back'?

Eriksson is obviously a quality player, but it doesn't exactly scream of any kind of long term coherent plan being in place.

But in brighter news for them, it looks like Ronaldo has decided that United aren't doing enough to convince him that they will be moving forward this season and so is threatening to leave.  Although most of their fans will probably see this as a disaster, Ten Hag will probably be very relieved that he won't have to base his entire way of playing around Ronaldo or risk dropping him and losing support from the fans as a result.

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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36819 on: June 24, 2022, 12:21:45 pm »
It's hilarious they had Rangnick at the club and had him manage and not do the stuff he's actually good at. Sums them up really.
It really does. Bring in someone with a less than-mediocre coaching CV but a stellar CV as a talent spotter, allow him to build a list of talent and then throw it in the bin once a new guy comes in, who's been brought in because the less than-mediocre coach produced less than-mediocre results.

And there's not great crossover between the styles of Ten Hag and Rangnick. Ten Hag's style relies on short, intense presses in the central spaces but patient build up where you slowly move the wide forwards inside to feed off of the forward dragging the opposition markers with him. Cross-light, short central interchanges. There's not much positional fluidity outside of the front 3 because for the defence to maintain it's shape and not be got at, the whole team needs to move collectively and keep structure in the midfield and defence. Sort of a child of the original total-football idea.

Rangnick's style is more high-pressing all over, with quicker vertical transitions into wide players to hit a focal point as the end result. There's some similarities with Ten Hag's vision but more importantly some crucial differences, so if you're buying system players, it's actually probably better they didn't go for some of Rangnick's picks, as they might not have fit, but to completely dump a big list of recommended players from a man with such a good hit rate in talent finding is unforgivable.

Ajax have already received - by their standards - a decent enough fee for Gravenberch and will likely be selling Haller to Dortmund for £40m or so shortly. That takes the pressure off to sell Antony and Ajax still have rich cash reserves from selling 3 players for a combined £200m within the last two seasons. Antony will cost probably 50% more than he should, maybe as much as double. Ten Hag has worked with him, likes him, knows his talent, but if you're paying £60m for a player who plays in the same positions as three other established first teamers in your squad, when there's been such clear neglect to other crucial areas, you do wonder what the overall strategy is. £150m sounds a lot but when you spend nearly 40% of it on one player for a position they are well-stocked in, you again think of the current disconnect going through the club.

If they had any sense they'd be paying that for Ndidi or a cheaper deal like Ascacibar or Rodriguez, but they don't seem to be linked to players they need and fit the new proposed system.

Eriksen is more evidence of a lack of joined-up thinking. A player who plays in the position of one of their best players (the overrated but clearly decent Bruno Fernandes), in a system that only uses one such player, who will be on huge wages and likely subject to diminishing returns over the next 18 months. They need a centre half, a right back, two central midfielders and a proper 9 if Ronaldo goes.
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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36820 on: June 24, 2022, 12:27:31 pm »
Fucking love Rangnick. He took their money , trashed the club and  players in public , showed journalists and pundits stupidity then left while giving Utd the middle finger.

I am still laughing at Melissa Redd tweet after his 1st half with them.


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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36821 on: June 24, 2022, 12:33:27 pm »
These are absolutely gash.

Get excited because their new fella who runs the club is in the pub chatting shite to a load of weirdo bellends and says they've spent £1BN badly - no shit sherlock, absolutely fantastic insight. Not signed a player yet as far as I know. Honestly Ferguson leaving them was one of the best days of my life because you couldn't argue when they ruined my childhood ;D . All they've got when they come to Anfield now is deep in the gutter songs about tragedy at 3 nil down.

I'd feel bad about the whole Glazer thing if they had shown a modicum of support for us through Hicks and Gillett, but they didn't, so fuck them. Hope they finish 6th again.
That's just 14 places above where I hope they finish  ;)
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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36822 on: June 24, 2022, 12:50:50 pm »
That's just 14 places above where I hope they finish  ;)

18th with the hope of escape getting crushed right at the end would be far funnier than 20th, besides everton have reserved 20th already.  ;D

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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36823 on: June 24, 2022, 01:52:06 pm »
Interesting stuff in the Athletic about Utd’s transfer strategy this summer - they had a long list put together by Rangnick’s team that they’ve scrapped upon Ten Hag’s appointment.

De Jong, the main target for this summer, had at no stage been a player considered by the hierarchy prior to Ten Hag’s appointment, so they’d done zero scouting of him which is partially what’s delayed movement on a deal. Further to this, De Jong - like all Ajax players - revered Barcelona growing up and will reportedly cling on to his position there even if they want him out, as he rates himself as good enough to eventually prove his superior quality.

Transfers are going to be later in the window for the main business Utd want to do, as their main targets, like De Jong, may principally be players reticent to step away from CL clubs in order to join and Utd need them to feel the discomfort of not being wanted by their current sides.

This to me says that they will probably sign a player or two from Ajax then do their usual trick of wasting time pursuing big name players who have no intention of ever playing there.

Surely not, they are the biggest club in the world?!?  ;)

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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36824 on: June 24, 2022, 02:02:24 pm »
"Solskjaer's personal scout" :lmao

His job was finding Ole a parking spot, by all accounts he was very reliable

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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36825 on: June 24, 2022, 02:12:09 pm »
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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36826 on: June 24, 2022, 02:21:38 pm »
And this is why you recruit for a set playing style rather than with specific managerial targets in mind

Exactly mate but it seems they're going for all the managers targets then they'll sack him and buy a load more for the new guy.

It's what they've been doing since the tramp left so long may it continue 😁

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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36827 on: June 24, 2022, 02:23:42 pm »
Fucking love Rangnick. He took their money , trashed the club and  players in public , showed journalists and pundits stupidity then left while giving Utd the middle finger.

I am still laughing at Melissa Redd tweet after his 1st half with them.


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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36828 on: June 24, 2022, 02:35:26 pm »
18th with the hope of escape getting crushed right at the end would be far funnier than 20th, besides everton have reserved 20th already.  ;D
I could quite happily live with that scenario  ;D
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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36829 on: June 24, 2022, 03:21:01 pm »
Exactly mate but it seems they're going for all the managers targets then they'll sack him and buy a load more for the new guy.

It's what they've been doing since the tramp left so long may it continue 😁

Whereas us and Abu Dhabi are recruiting players and bring players through from the Academies to play a certain way, knowing that one day the manager will change but the philosophy won't.

Ten Haag is going to shit a brick when he realises his desire to bring in the methods used at Ajax down the decades won't be allowed at OT ;D
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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36830 on: June 24, 2022, 03:24:45 pm »
Its not even particularly one or two, you cant suck that up. But 5 or 6 intrinsically different managers, all allowed to spend big money on new players without shifting whats there. Its incredible that at no point no-one has said 'Um...should we not shift Martial, Lingard and James before we sign more attackers?'. And they had the perfect fall guy in Rangnick, could have used him as a bit of a transition considering the contracts expiring this and next summer. But nah, go for the latest hyped up coach who again will lack any players comfortable with the sort of football he wants to play.
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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36831 on: June 24, 2022, 03:41:12 pm »
For the love of Fowler, leave Man Utd alone. Let them get on with their disjointed approach. Don't give them any ideas.   :P
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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36832 on: June 24, 2022, 10:09:00 pm »
It's hilarious they had Rangnick at the club and had him manage and not do the stuff he's actually good at. Sums them up really.

Thought they'd be on the right track if they gave him a few years to build but now they've got a bloke who just wants to buy anyone who's got a connection with Ajax.

It was such a strange appointment and he seemed to have just used the role to leverage into the Austrian job.


I remember Reddy wrote an article about how Murtaugh went to see Rangnick at RB Leipzig the other year and spent half a day for a “comprehensive education”.
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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36833 on: June 24, 2022, 11:39:44 pm »
Imagine a flag with all of their revolutionaries - Moyes, van Gaal, Mourinho, Solskjaer, Rangnik, ten Hag...

Where's Capone?!
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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36834 on: June 25, 2022, 12:00:07 am »
Imagine a flag with all of their revolutionaries - Moyes, van Gaal, Mourinho, Solskjaer, Rangnik, ten Hag...

Where's Capone?!
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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36835 on: June 25, 2022, 07:48:43 am »
Don't forget Che Neville

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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36836 on: June 25, 2022, 09:46:18 am »
It's hilarious they had Rangnick at the club and had him manage and not do the stuff he's actually good at. Sums them up really.

Thought they'd be on the right track if they gave him a few years to build but now they've got a bloke who just wants to buy anyone who's got a connection with Ajax.

It sounds like they did have him at least do some of the stuff he's good at, then tore it up when ten Haag arrived to go with whatever he wants instead. They seem to see what other clubs are doing at a very superficial level and then try to implement the same; instead of giving Rangnick a permanent role and having him set the club up at the risk of losing some of the old boys behind the scenes, they give him some stupid advisory role so that they're free to ignore him. Hopefully they have to continue to pay him for a couple of years for that role.

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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36837 on: June 25, 2022, 09:59:04 am »
For the love of Fowler, leave Man Utd alone. Let them get on with their disjointed approach. Don't give them any ideas.   :P

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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36838 on: June 25, 2022, 10:00:05 am »
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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36839 on: June 25, 2022, 11:06:49 am »
As a club they are the very definition of all fur coat and no knickers. They strut round like they are still the big cheese of world football but in reality they are a shell of a club that’s been hollowed out by a host owner who has bled them dry.