Topic: Andy Robertson (Andrew Henry Robertson MBE)

[wige]

So as long as a person lives a completely eco friendly and sustainable lifestyle then criticism is not allowed? Well on that basis nobody can criticise as it's currently impossible  (apart from I guess a few hermits who make their own clothes out of hemp). It's like criticising a socialist because he/she buys food rather than working on a collective or has a bank account rather than exist in a batering only community. It's a fact that NFTs are linked to damaging emissons and are not really beneficial to society so one can and should be critical.

It's a bit rich to hear the environmental argument about it yeah, especially if people are justifying their impacts to the environment as acceptable yet criticise others for different ones.

My main part is though - what's he done wrong? promoted some NFTs. and..... what?

The dedication & effort this lad has shown on the pitch and his societal contributions off it have been incredibly impressive - yet people are 'very, very disappointed' with him for this and 'the club should have a word'. Over what precisely?

[Red Raw]

Appreciate the explanations but it's still a load of bollocks to me 🤷

Its a bit like a digital version of cigarette/tea cards debs. The relative scarcity of originals gives them value in the right market.

But you are right - it is a load of bollocks.

[afc tukrish]

What's the point of the Mona Lisa?

What's the point of a t-shirt made by M&S vs Gucci?

All subjective.

The point of Divock Origi is that without him, football would be nothing...

[number 168]

It's a bit rich to hear the environmental argument about it yeah, especially if people are justifying their impacts to the environment as acceptable yet criticise others for different ones.

My main part is though - what's he done wrong? promoted some NFTs. and..... what?

The dedication & effort this lad has shown on the pitch and his societal contributions off it have been incredibly impressive - yet people are 'very, very disappointed' with him for this and 'the club should have a word'. Over what precisely?

You're right, I mean Boris Bunter has been saving the world so why worry about his lying and potentially criminal behaviour? Being a good footballer and doing some decent community work is fine, but we are entitled to comment when he uses his footballing fame to benefit directly from environmentally harmful actions. I like Robbo, not just because he's a great left back but he seems a decent bloke however I still think he's wrong to go down this path.

[wige]

You're right, I mean Boris Bunter has been saving the world so why worry about his lying and potentially criminal behaviour? Being a good footballer and doing some decent community work is fine, but we are entitled to comment when he uses his footballing fame to benefit directly from environmentally harmful actions. I like Robbo, not just because he's a great left back but he seems a decent bloke however I still think he's wrong to go down this path.

As ever, each to their own fella. I can't see how he or anyone else is in the wrong for promoting these things though. No more so than another player pushing a particular energy drink, or exercise equipment etc. All with their own environmental impacts and questionable societal benefits.

Are the things he's promoting any good? Fuck no imo. Doesn't mean my opinion of the lad is gonna change as a result of it. Bang within his rights to earn as much money as he wants and spend it however he deems fit.

[Elmo!]

Funnily enough this happens on the same day the Guardian's Football Weekly hav released an episode all about NFTs and their growing presence in football. Worth a listen.

Disappointing one of our players getting involved in such idiocy.

[Ravishing Rick Dude]

He's made a massive tit of himself on twitter today.
https://twitter.com/andrewrobertso5/status/1488131354009161738

I thought that's some sort of video-game football card or some similar bullshit


So what type of scam is this thing?

[RedSamba]

Jesus. People will get offended by anything these days. Move on 

[BarryCrocker]

He's made a massive tit of himself on twitter today.
https://twitter.com/andrewrobertso5/status/1488131354009161738

The electronic version of getting fans to pay for your autograph?

[RedG13]

The electronic version of getting fans to pay for your autograph?

on unsecure website that ask for money and are bad for the environment

[mattD]

He’s stopped all comments on Twitter, suggesting he knows the overwhelming negativity about this.

Bin it Andy for fuck sake, you’re so much better than this.

[IgorBobbins]

Robbo promoting a digital snake oil pyramid scheme is not a great look. Are we not paying him enough?

[So… Howard Philips]

I'm surprise Ronaldo isn't the brand leader in this 'product'.

[CraigDS]

Prob worth mentioning that whilst there is an environmental impact to these NFTs, it is nothing like the impact of the popular cryptos (Bitcoin, Ethereum, etc) due to the smart chain it is on.

Not saying that makes it OK, but I imagine a lot who are shouting about environmental impact are doing so from a position of knowledge of how bad Bitcoin is and not necessarily knowing other smart chains are no where near as bad.

[Dench57]

I'm surprise Ronaldo isn't the brand leader in this 'product'.

that would be John Terry :x

[number 168]

Jesus. People will get offended by anything these days. Move on 
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I don't think anyone is "offended" just disappointed. I doubt Robbo could offend anybody, although he really pissed off Messi.

[Uncle Ronnie]

Prob worth mentioning that whilst there is an environmental impact to these NFTs, it is nothing like the impact of the popular cryptos (Bitcoin, Ethereum, etc) due to the smart chain it is on.

Not saying that makes it OK, but I imagine a lot who are shouting about environmental impact are doing so from a position of knowledge of how bad Bitcoin is and not necessarily knowing other smart chains are no where near as bad.

But with NFTs you can only purchase them using crypto anyway.

[the_red_pill]

that would be John Terry :x

or "Lamps" 

Maybe Robbo hadn't properly looked into it? Lots of sponsors and too little time perhaps- just a perusal? or could be the agent who signed it?

Think it may not be black&white.

[Romford_Red]

NFTs are on their way. Before long they will be normal.
The Metaverse will happen and that is where mass adoption will take place.
I don't see anything wrong with it. It's like anything, it will only sell if someone wants to buy it.

[Ultimate Bromance]

Fuck sake Andy

[CraigDS]

But with NFTs you can only purchase them using crypto anyway.

Again though, not all crypto are the same. These seem to be pushing their own which again is using the BSC chain which is infinitely better than the likes of Bitcoin and Ethereum.

[ThoroughlyMediocre]

Don't love that Andy is getting involved in this, but the recent headlines involving a certain rival player do somewhat put this in perspective...

[Dim Glas]

This is just the start.

Plenty more Liverpool players will follow him.  Like I mentioned earlier in this thread - the club have been sounding out fans about this too, so I wouldn’t be surprised if they did are on it soon too.

An ‘unique' Erling Haaland nft sold for €614,000 this week 

[ScouserAtHeart]

Don't see the problem with it. He's not fooling people into buying it. They can if they want to.

I get that it's not to everyone's taste but things are changing, every club will have their own NFTs in the next few years. And just wait till they start broadcasting Liverpool games in the Metaverse 

[JackWard33]

Amazingly negative reaction - people are very confused about crypto stuff it seems
If it was wider objection to players hawking stuff I could understand it more as its clearly not something they need to do
But it seems like its crypto based... as in if he was selling signed posters no one would be bothered

[mattD]

Prob worth mentioning that whilst there is an environmental impact to these NFTs, it is nothing like the impact of the popular cryptos (Bitcoin, Ethereum, etc) due to the smart chain it is on.

Not saying that makes it OK, but I imagine a lot who are shouting about environmental impact are doing so from a position of knowledge of how bad Bitcoin is and not necessarily knowing other smart chains are no where near as bad.

Another reason to hate this awful swindle. However, forgive my ignorance, but for something that's online how does it have an impact on the environment?

[ScouserAtHeart]

Another reason to hate this awful swindle. However, forgive my ignorance, but for something that's online how does it have an impact on the environment?

Most (not all) NFTs can only be bought by cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin and Ethereum, which draw a ton of electricity to mine

[Chip Evans]

Probably worth sharing in a thread of its own to not pollute the Robbo thread (feel free to delete or move). But Ken Early (always topical these days) wrote a brilliant takedown of John Terry and his foray into NFTs on Monday.  https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/english-soccer/ken-early-into-cryptospace-and-beyond-john-terry-bursts-forth-1.4789387

[wige]

The environmental criticisms related to this just strike me as plain weird to be honest. It feels very much like people have an uneducated/un-informed opinion of everything related to NFTs, potentially based on recent media coverage. I've never seen any of our footballers/players criticised for the environmental impacts of them driving a Ferrari for example. I doubt few very people criticising this promotion from Robertson could articulate what a blockchain is, let alone which one these particular NFTs are sold on, what that 'chains environmental impact actually is or the actual price to buy one of the specific Robertson NFTs he's hawking.

As the world becomes more and more digital the younger generations will value these sorts of things much more highly - in exactly the same way that people view unique pieces of art, fashion etc. Maybe as an investment, maybe to enhance a unique online identity, or just to fit in with the latest fads in their social groups.

[AndyMuller]

Sell him now. Tsimikas is better anyway.

[emitime]

I feel like there should be a full disclosure requirement in this thread for if you're personally 'invested' in cryptocurrencies..

[CraigDS]

I feel like there should be a full disclosure requirement in this thread for if you're personally 'invested' in cryptocurrencies..

Why? This is a separate crypto on its own smart chain. It’s not Bitcoin or one of the other well known coins.

[Elmo!]

This is a long watch but worth it for getting clued up on NFTs, and how ridiculous they are.

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/VsgT5gfMc" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/VsgT5gfMc</a>

EDIT: can't get it to embed for some reason.... her'e the URL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_VsgT5gfMc

[scatman]

This will inevitably descend into another crypto thread and get the thread locked but for all the vegan eco warriors here complaining about Robbo, maybe you should learn what proof of stake is before whining about environmental impact.

Seen more posts on this than there was on Greenwood.

[Tobelius]

But with NFTs you can only purchase them using crypto anyway.

Can't pretend i really understand this stuff,but to me sounds like buying nothing with nothing.

[Elmo!]

Seen more posts on this than there was on Greenwood.

That's because discussion of the Greenwood thing is not permitted by the mods for legal reasons.

[jepovic]

What's the point of the Mona Lisa?

What's the point of a t-shirt made by M&S vs Gucci?

All subjective.

NFTs are not the actual images, they’re hyperlinks to where a copy of the image is stored. You buy an encrypted hyperlink.
So its not like selling the mona lisa, its like selling maps showing directions to the Louvre.
Plus whatever junk the block chain throws in.

Its not illegal so Robbo has the right to do it, and we have the right to mock him.
In fact, I'd say we have the obligation to mock him

[Elmo!]

Thie thing I don't get, having taken a look at his NFTs, is that the whole idea of Non Fungible Tokens is that they are supposed to be.... non-fungible. Unlike money for example where 1 pound is the same as another pound, I don't care which pound I have, each NFT is supposed to be unique.

Robbo seems to be selling 2021 identical NFTs. 1 Robbo NFT is completely interchangeable with another Robbo NFT. It's entirely fungible.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

Just Fucking Robertson...

[scatman]

That's because discussion of the Greenwood thing is not permitted by the mods for legal reasons.

that thread was open for a while and was reopened.

So far we've had someone comparing him to Boris. People who've no idea what NFTs are complaining about him, who've no idea about the blockchain its on (its not one that requires mining) and suddenly that being about a trip to Dubai to play golf.

You actually posted some good information (Coffeezilla makes great content and exposes a lot of scams - especially those Paul brother chancers). Here's my disclaimer - i don't own or intend to own any NFTs. I think they are a bad investment in their current guise (images) however tokenisation means we'll see possibly registries of NFTs for other things (regulated ie real estate, music).

Anyway always nice to see our fans shit on a player, can't wait to see the reaction once Adidas and Nike start forcing the other players in our team to take part (as they will seeing as Adidas already do them).