Author Topic: Indiana jones 4 (Read 26395 times)

Rusty Oysterburger · « **Reply #160 on:** May 22, 2008, 06:59:24 pm »

Off to see this at 8, cannae wait!

cornelius · « **Reply #161 on:** May 22, 2008, 09:10:55 pm »

Quote from: Red Squiggle on May 22, 2008, 06:20:23 pm

utterly ridiculous and unfeasible rather than just implausible

Oh dear. That was what made Die Another Day the worst Bond film ever. Well, that and Halle Berry's 'acting'.

I fucking detest CGI with a passion. I know I'm not gonna like this film.

Slick_Beef · « **Reply #162 on:** May 22, 2008, 09:14:23 pm »

Quote from: Red Squiggle on May 22, 2008, 06:20:23 pm

The start is good. Scene is set brilliantly, flows quite well and there's a lovely atmosphere if possibly the most ridiculous thing i've ever seen on celluloid.

Gets better too, then it takes a turn for the Star Wars series and for me, there's too much ridiculous CGI. It looks good yes, but it's not the same. The beautiful chase scenes that MAKE indiana jones mean a chase scene at the beginning and one towards the end and the difference (second one is CGI) is immeasurable. The first is vintage Indie. Second is just like Episode 1, or 2, or 3, of Star Wars - ie utterly ridiculous and unfeasible rather than just implausible (like the whip thing on the truck in Raiders, it's been done by a stuntman and therefore COULD be done!)

Saying that, it's still Indiana Jones and is still an enjoyable film. I just felt that it let me down towards the end.

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aye that first chase with the motorbike through the town is the best one.. the second one was a laugh, but yes.. a bit silly as you say.

Didn't mind the ending but wished there wasn't that big flying saucer.. I think something less cheesey would have done the job. Mrs wasn't so happy with the ending, she said the christian relics from the other films are a more convincing plot device so more interesting. I told her I believe aliens are more likely to exist than god so that's probably why I didn't feel the same way.

I still prefer ROTLA and LC but this doesn't feel out of place with the rest of the series IMO, holds its own nicely.

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SMD · « **Reply #163 on:** May 22, 2008, 09:28:47 pm »

Indiana Jones 4: Snake Eater.

fudge · « **Reply #164 on:** May 22, 2008, 11:13:36 pm »

Quote from: Spam Monkey Deluxe on May 22, 2008, 09:28:47 pm

Indiana Jones 4: Snake Eater.

Indiana Jones 5: Cock Smoker

sabbathfan · « **Reply #165 on:** May 22, 2008, 11:48:31 pm »

Well that was a fucking joke! How the hell has Steven Spielberg managed to ruin Indiana Jones? I didnt think it possible, but he ruddy well has! My best mate and I went to see it tonight like giddy school girls with excitement. When we came out we laughed our heads off about how shit it was and had a conversation which culminated in my mate making me promise never to mention the film again in his company. Utter dross!

cornelius · « **Reply #166 on:** May 23, 2008, 12:32:28 am »

Quote from: sabbathfan on May 22, 2008, 11:48:31 pm

Well that was a fucking joke! How the hell has Steven Spielberg managed to ruin Indiana Jones?

Because basically once he won his oscar he ditched any integrity he had. I believe he's having a big hand in Jurassic Park 4 next.

Rusty Oysterburger · « **Reply #167 on:** May 23, 2008, 01:06:40 am »

Quote from: cornelius on May 23, 2008, 12:32:28 am

Because basically once he won his oscar he ditched any integrity he had. I believe he's having a big hand in Jurassic Park 4 next.

What about Munich? One of his best films and I'd say it had quite a lot of integrity.

Also, I think the ruining had more to do with George Lucas than Spielberg. His grubby little handprints are all over the film

sabbathfan · « **Reply #168 on:** May 23, 2008, 02:09:43 am »

Quote from: Rusty Oysterburger on May 23, 2008, 01:06:40 am

What about Munich? One of his best films and I'd say it had quite a lot of integrity.

Also, I think the ruining had more to do with George Lucas than Spielberg. His grubby little handprints are all over the film

I noticed that when Indy said "I have a bad feeling about this." I thought "Lucas you fucking criminal get out of my film!" George Lucas is a c*nt.

Djibriliant · « **Reply #169 on:** May 23, 2008, 10:10:30 am »

Can't wait to see this

http://youtube.com/watch?v=fTrK4VQG93Y

The Source · « **Reply #170 on:** May 23, 2008, 10:26:15 am »

Complete pile of shite. By far the worst of the series. Would go into detail but don't want to put spoilers in. Worst offender has to be Marion Ravenwood - rubbish. Don't waste your money.

Rusty Oysterburger · « **Reply #171 on:** May 23, 2008, 10:59:16 am »

Saw it last night and while I dont think it was an instant classic, its not the disaster some are saying.

I'd say most of it was enjoyable, some moments had me grinning like a kid again. All the scenes in dusty, cobweb strewn tombs were brilliant and felt just like the old Indy's.

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In fact I loved the first 2/3rds of the film, the first chase was good and the opening action sequence was well done. The shot of Indy framed by the mushroom cloud was cool.

The Ant Attack was great and suitably horrible.

I think it began to fall apart a bit when they got to the jungle, the pace slowed and we got endless scenes of droning exposition. The jungle car/truck chase was a good idea in concept and once again, Spielberg directed the action flawlessly (the most clearly defined action sequence I've seen for many a year) however it was let down by some obvious CGI. In the bit where Cate and Shia are sword fighting while standing on separate cars, it was painfully obvious that their cars were neither moving and parked in front of a green screen. That really took me out of the film for a while.

The whole finale didn't really work for me either and seemed to ripping of the end of Raiders a bit. Also "scowling CGI alien" was a poor, poor idea.

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I was a bit deflated when we were leaving but I looked at my little brother (who's 9) and he was absolutely buzzing about it and didn't stop going on about how great it was all the way home saying it was one of his favourite films now.

I realised that this film wasn't made for us, the cynical adults who watched the originals as kids. It was made for kids, just like the earlier films, that's who are supposed to enjoy it. They don't notice things like expositionary dialogue or poor special effects. Just like I didn't when I saw Temple of Doom for the first time when I was 7. Go back and watch that film now, most of the special effects are fucking awful yet I didn't even notice at the time, I was too caught up in the story.

Brian Blessed · « **Reply #172 on:** May 23, 2008, 01:47:21 pm »

Quote from: Rusty Oysterburger on May 23, 2008, 10:59:16 am

Saw it last night and while I dont think it was an instant classic, its not the disaster some are saying.

I'd say most of it was enjoyable, some moments had me grinning like a kid again. All the scenes in dusty, cobweb strewn tombs were brilliant and felt just like the old Indy's.

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In fact I loved the first 2/3rds of the film, the first chase was good and the opening action sequence was well done. The shot of Indy framed by the mushroom cloud was cool.

The Ant Attack was great and suitably horrible.

I think it began to fall apart a bit when they got to the jungle, the pace slowed and we got endless scenes of droning exposition. The jungle car/truck chase was a good idea in concept and once again, Spielberg directed the action flawlessly (the most clearly defined action sequence I've seen for many a year) however it was let down by some obvious CGI. In the bit where Cate and Shia are sword fighting while standing on separate cars, it was painfully obvious that their cars were neither moving and parked in front of a green screen. That really took me out of the film for a while.

The whole finale didn't really work for me either and seemed to ripping of the end of Raiders a bit. Also "scowling CGI alien" was a poor, poor idea.

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I was a bit deflated when we were leaving but I looked at my little brother (who's 9) and he was absolutely buzzing about it and didn't stop going on about how great it was all the way home saying it was one of his favourite films now.

I realised that this film wasn't made for us, the cynical adults who watched the originals as kids. It was made for kids, just like the earlier films, that's who are supposed to enjoy it. They don't notice things like expositionary dialogue or poor special effects. Just like I didn't when I saw Temple of Doom for the first time when I was 7. Go back and watch that film now, most of the special effects are fucking awful yet I didn't even notice at the time, I was too caught up in the story.

That is absolutely spot on.

Walshy nMe® · « **Reply #173 on:** May 23, 2008, 03:31:04 pm »

Watched it last night. Thought it was shit. Poor special effect, poor script. What the fuck was the plot all about? Too over the top. Might have looked good 10 years ago, might....

sabbathfan · « **Reply #174 on:** May 23, 2008, 03:37:21 pm »

I think Steven Spielberg couldn't decide whether to sequel Indiana Jones or ET. In the end he managed neither. I will not remember this as an Indiana Jones movie. I will forget it as soon as I can.

Walshy7 · « **Reply #175 on:** May 23, 2008, 05:09:05 pm »

Quote from: Walshy7 on February 14, 2008, 09:03:47 pm

looks abit too cgi for my liking

I knew it

Brian Blessed · « **Reply #176 on:** May 23, 2008, 05:11:49 pm »

I quite enjoyed it. It wasn't fantastic, but it wasn't detrimental to the series in the way the Star Wars prequel trilogy did, as that ruined a fair few characters for me, sad to say. I would say that is was on par with Temple, my least favourite because of Willy and Short Round. If Temple had been made with this cast, it would have been superb, if that makes sense.

Okkervil · « **Reply #177 on:** May 23, 2008, 05:13:19 pm »

Enjoyed it personally.

Sam Bacala · « **Reply #178 on:** May 23, 2008, 08:43:51 pm »

Rusty's post pretty much sums up my feelings too. Was a bit disappointed with the ending but I rather enjoyed most of it and don't think it was a shit movie at all.

redpride9 · « **Reply #179 on:** May 23, 2008, 08:56:43 pm »

Heard mixed reviews about this film..

Walshy7 · « **Reply #180 on:** May 23, 2008, 09:22:22 pm »

downloading it now

nidgemo · « **Reply #181 on:** May 23, 2008, 10:44:36 pm »

Quote from: Rusty Oysterburger on May 23, 2008, 10:59:16 am

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In fact I loved the first 2/3rds of the film, the first chase was good and the opening action sequence was well done. The shot of Indy framed by the mushroom cloud was cool.

The Ant Attack was great and suitably horrible.

I think it began to fall apart a bit when they got to the jungle, the pace slowed and we got endless scenes of droning exposition. The jungle car/truck chase was a good idea in concept and once again, Spielberg directed the action flawlessly (the most clearly defined action sequence I've seen for many a year) however it was let down by some obvious CGI. In the bit where Cate and Shia are sword fighting while standing on separate cars, it was painfully obvious that their cars were neither moving and parked in front of a green screen. That really took me out of the film for a while.

The whole finale didn't really work for me either and seemed to ripping of the end of Raiders a bit. Also "scowling CGI alien" was a poor, poor idea.

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Just back from seeing it, and that has saved me having to type it. Exactly echoes my thoughts to the letter.

It's not bad though - I went in with low expectations, and it wasn't bad.

jim. · « **Reply #182 on:** May 23, 2008, 11:32:35 pm »

I agree with most people's sentiments, good up until the last 20 minutes, then it got stupid. i thought it was some kind of joke ending. Ridiculous.

MBL? · « **Reply #183 on:** May 24, 2008, 06:26:21 am »

I only feel let down because of the first 30 minutes which were absolute class. After that it went down hill although I still enjoyed it (just not too much) till the end.

Andy @ Allerton! · « **Reply #184 on:** May 24, 2008, 08:46:47 am »

Saw this on Thursday and thought it was excellent from start to finish.

I'm not entirely sure what people seem to want for an Indy film - but this was way better than I was expecting.

Tied things up nicely and led to future sequels.

Good stuff! Great effects! Loads of action! Tons of fights! Explosions! Killer Ants!! Alien thingybobs! Supernatural shinnanighans. Mysteries beyond space and time.

All what a 1930s B movie should be which is what they were after with the first and subsequent ones.

Brilliant!

alfonso · « **Reply #185 on:** May 24, 2008, 12:21:24 pm »

I started to watch it, but after ten minutes got bored and let it play to the side of my screen while I surfed the www.

.adam · « **Reply #186 on:** May 24, 2008, 03:13:42 pm »

This has to take the biscuit for the worst film I've seen in a cinema for a long time. Unfeasible plot, shit acting and bad use of CGI make it a 3/10 for me.

BazC · « **Reply #187 on:** May 24, 2008, 03:15:13 pm »

Quote from: .adam on May 24, 2008, 03:13:42 pm

This has to take the biscuit for the worst film I've seen in a cinema for a long time. Unfeasible plot, shit acting and bad use of CGI make it a 3/10 for me.

What were you expecting, and have you seen the other Indiana Jones?

Slick_Beef · « **Reply #188 on:** May 24, 2008, 03:45:58 pm »

Quote from: .adam on May 24, 2008, 03:13:42 pm

This has to take the biscuit for the worst film I've seen in a cinema for a long time. Unfeasible plot, shit acting and bad use of CGI make it a 3/10 for me.

bloody hell... it's indiana jones. They're all unfeasible plots. It's a tribute to B movies not a Fellini masterpiece. christ.

Brian Blessed · « **Reply #189 on:** May 25, 2008, 01:09:20 am »

Saw it again, and it was better on second viewing (I enjoyed it a lot first time around).

.adam · « **Reply #190 on:** May 25, 2008, 12:35:31 pm »

Quote from: BazC on May 24, 2008, 03:15:13 pm

What were you expecting, and have you seen the other Indiana Jones?

A decent film with a credible plot. And, yes.

bellinter · « **Reply #191 on:** May 25, 2008, 12:41:24 pm »

I went to this on Thursday night. Now, I wouldnt be the world's biggest Indy fan by any stretch of the imagination.... But I did enjoy it. I thought the first half of it was excellent, but it did get a bit too ridiculous, even by Indy standards towards to end. I know, I know, none of the plots from the other movies were exactly what you'd call believable, but i think this just went that little bit too far! But as I said, it wasnt without its qualities, and overall I did enjoy it!

sabbathfan · « **Reply #192 on:** May 25, 2008, 01:34:07 pm »

Not ONE of the characters ever seemed to believe (especially the fucking bint from the last one who NEVER took that annoying fucking smile off of her face! Even when her son was having a sword fight on a moving car!) that they were in any danger whatsoever.

There was tension in the old Indy films. There was NO tension in this Indy film.

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And the plot was far far less believable than anything I have ever seen. ET was more believable because the film presented you with the notion that aliens exist from the very start. This one surprised you with it near the end. Thats not the way you introduce a theme to your plot, not one so outlandish anyway (and I am a firm believer in the existence of aliens but I sat there laughing at the absurdity of aliens in this film). Then the Aliens all morped into one and sneered at Cate Blancett. Please! THEN A FUCKING SPACESHIP!

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Andy @ Allerton! · « **Reply #193 on:** May 25, 2008, 02:39:43 pm »

Quote from: sabbathfan on May 25, 2008, 01:34:07 pm

Not ONE of the characters ever seemed to believe (especially the fucking bint from the last one who NEVER took that annoying fucking smile off of her face! Even when her son was having a sword fight on a moving car!) that they were in any danger whatsoever.

There was tension in the old Indy films. There was NO tension in this Indy film.

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And the plot was far far less believable than anything I have ever seen. ET was more believable because the film presented you with the notion that aliens exist from the very start. This one surprised you with it near the end. Thats not the way you introduce a theme to your plot, not one so outlandish anyway (and I am a firm believer in the existence of aliens but I sat there laughing at the absurdity of aliens in this film). Then the Aliens all morped into one and sneered at Cate Blancett. Please! THEN A FUCKING SPACESHIP!
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Perhaps you shouldn't watch light hearted kids films in future.

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And I'm sure that it must have been obvious to everyone that his ex-bird was obviously unhappy with her life once Indy had left and driving the car with the manic grin was obviously showing how much she missed it all - to the extent where she felt utterly exhilerated by it all

It was totally obvious to me - and that bit (among many) made me laugh about it in apprecaition - thought it was great actually - everyone else is fighting for their lives and she's smiling her head off seeing her son and love of her life knocking several bells out of everyone

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buzzing · « **Reply #194 on:** May 25, 2008, 03:02:25 pm »

Saw this yesterday

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Was full of action as all Indy films are. But the scifi story line was a bit OTT for my liking.

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BazC · « **Reply #195 on:** May 25, 2008, 03:51:16 pm »

Quote from: .adam on May 25, 2008, 12:35:31 pm

A decent film with a credible plot. And, yes.

Which begs the question; how the hell can you expect a credible plot if you've seen previous Indiana Jones films?! (We are talking about Raiders of the Lost Arc, the Temple of Doom and the Last Crusade here?)

Walshy7 · « **Reply #196 on:** May 25, 2008, 03:59:52 pm »

Quote from: alfonso on May 24, 2008, 12:21:24 pm

I started to watch it, but after ten minutes got bored and let it play to the side of my screen while I surfed the www.

where did you get it, i cant get a decent one

Fanxxxxtastic · « **Reply #197 on:** May 25, 2008, 05:25:32 pm »

Just got back home from watching and enjoyed every minute of it.

A great film

sabbathfan · « **Reply #198 on:** May 25, 2008, 10:26:04 pm »

Quote from: Andy @ Allerton on May 25, 2008, 02:39:43 pm

Perhaps you shouldn't watch light hearted kids films in future.

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And I'm sure that it must have been obvious to everyone that his ex-bird was obviously unhappy with her life once Indy had left and driving the car with the manic grin was obviously showing how much she missed it all - to the extent where she felt utterly exhilerated by it all

It was totally obvious to me - and that bit (among many) made me laugh about it in apprecaition - thought it was great actually - everyone else is fighting for their lives and she's smiling her head off seeing her son and love of her life knocking several bells out of everyone

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So I shouldn't watch the first 3 Indiana Jones films which I love?

Don't patronise me.

I gave my views on the film. If you don't agree fine. I couldn't give less of a shit.

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Maybe you appreciated it but I thought the character brought nothing to the film. She could have been used to add tension to the action sequences because 2 people she loved were involved in them and could have been killed. But instead they made her too busy having fun to notice her son having a sword fight? Please.

I felt like I was watching Mission to Mars all over again with the stupid fucking aliens. It was ridiculous (far more than I can even take from an Indiana Jones film.

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Walking Through A Storm · « **Reply #199 on:** May 25, 2008, 11:12:33 pm »

I liked it a lot, but agree that the ending was a bit ott, as well as how he escaped the nuke!

Shame there was no Sean Connery, but I liked Shia LeSomething's character.

Certainly could have been a lot worse, it's about on a par with Temple Of Doom.