Topic: SORRY - He's got to go....

[Doc Evil]

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Sack the board.

More importantly, is it now time for a boycott to kick in?

With the results as they are now, ticket sales and attendances are (and will continue to naturally) dropping.

If SOS call for a boycott of matches before the 6th, it might crank up the pressure on the banks NOT to refinance.

Thommo's comments on Sly Sports yesterday will also have helped the cause.

[exile kopite]

Yes, seems like it, but it doesnt bother me to support my Manager after 7 games. He has my backing, and I will not pannick unlike most of you lot.We will not finish 4th bottom. Stop sounding stupid. End of the Season we will be miles away from relegation. Quote me on that.

He had more then 7 games my friend, he also had a full preseason and it have really only been worse and worse.

[Jay012345]

I doubt we will get relegated, the players we have are way better than the position we are in. Unfortunately the manager has come in and tried to enforce a style and stuff the players into positions and roles to fit his style rather than assess the players we have and build the team plans around playing the best players in their best positions. We cant just sack Roy without having the plan in place for what follows next, be that Dalglish, O'Neill or some other top manager. Although Dalgish is great for sentiment, the fact is football has moved on a hell of a lot since he last managed, and it will be a very risky move to appoint him which could go either way.

[KUNGFUDANCER]

10 pages about the manager going since the game ended, yet only 6 pages about the march and after game stay behind, and taht thread was started days ago. This is where the problem is, people are letting themselves get distracted.

Folks, seriously, you need to understand, thos of you that dont already, that whoever is manager of the club, as long as we are under the ownership of those bastards, its all irrelevant. Kenny takes over tomorrow, say he improves performances on the pitch, what does it mean long term? He cant take us to where we want to be, not with the current ownership. Or say he cant turn it round? What happens then?

Same goes for any name you want to throw out there to take over from Roy tonight, tomorrow, next week - it doesnt matter. Dont get me wrong, I DONT think Roy is the man for the job, I never have thought that and it would take a lot to convince me otherwise, but, right now, who the manager of our club is is NOT the matter we need to concern ourselves with. This club in its current guise is NOT Liverpool Football Club as we know and love it. Its like someone robbing your bank card and stealing your identity, thats whats happened to our club. Roy cant fix it, Kenny cant fix it, Rafa cant fix it, not the spirt of the great Shankly or Paisley can fix it.

We NEED to get rid of the owners, we NEED to focus our attention on removing the cancer from OUR Clunb, we NEED to get stability off the field, and only THEN can we really look to get back to where we were oh not so long ago, and whoever our manager is at that time we can get behind them and discuss the football matters of this Club.

Focusing right now on the manager is only distracting us from what is important, please, people, do not allow yourselves to be distracted, the only way forward is removing 'them'. THEN we can come back here and talk about the proper stuff, who should be left back, what position we need cover in, is the manager right for the job etc. At the moment I cant even think about these things, our Club will NOT be our Club as long as they own us, regardless of Roy being in charge or not.

Please, please, focus on the action we need to take. We MUST get the yanks out. Its not our key priority, its our ONLY priority.

YNWA

[SwedenRed]

Didn't say anything about Dalglish. I was just wondering how you can expect your views to be taken seriously when you write something which contradicts what you said not 30 seconds before.

Whatever Mr Picky. You get my point.... I dont have a degree in English like you do.

[dbroms]

are you fucking mental??

Why do you ask that ?  you think appointing dalglish will work do you ?  A man whos been out of the game for so long. we shouldnt let sentiment get in the way . agreed he has Liverpool in his heart but he will not be the answer, get shut of the owners first then we can all chat about who we want as manager then.

[skidz73]

10 pages about the manager going since the game ended, yet only 6 pages about the march and after game stay behind, and taht thread was started days ago. This is where the problem is, people are letting themselves get distracted.

Exactly. Easy answers to big problems.

[igloo]

Hogdson please take your hat and leave....

[wenlock]

Out of curiosity was Sammy not there for the second half or was it just a matter of not seeing him on the tv shots that I was seeing?

For what it's worth I feel that RH needs to go now. I agree that getting rid of the owners is crucial but by the time they go we could be well and truly sucked into the usual relegation battle that goes on with up to half the premier league every season. Even if we were to get great new owners we will not find it very easy to attract any players of a decent nature if we are out of touch of the Europa League never mind the Champs League.

It's not just the dire foorball either that's the problem, for a guy who was expected to boost morale in the squad RH says all the wrong things everytime he opens his mouth and seems to already have pissed some players off never mind lower their morale or confidence.

[Pheeny]

so he can do to us what he did last time .......................walk out when the going gets tough. Dalglish should never be appointed manager . if we have to get rid of Roy it has to be after we get new owners then appoint a proper manager with good tactical know how and balls of steel  RAFA .

perm ban you fucking ignorant twat.

[gandt]

would cost us money i suppose to sack roy now, so bring in Roberto Di Matteo as manager and keep roy on as either a defensive coach  or a hat stand.

[SwedenRed]

He had more then 7 games my friend, he also had a full preseason and it have really only been worse and worse.

He has indeed. However, I am not going to judge him now, only a couple of months after taking arguably the most difficult job in football Management right now. I will judge him at the end of the Season, and I think that is fair.

[Rafaroy]

 Roy ! please go, and take most of that shower of shit that wear the red shirt with you. We are becoming a laughing stock to all football fans from around the world. I really dont know how much more i can take. The team i have supported all my live is becoming a gutless bunch of over paid spoilt brats.

[Obviously]

perm ban you fucking ignorant twat.

*Standing ovation*

[maher111]

Sorry, but right now a Derby win would be like sticking a new carpet in the reception of the World Trade Centre. Yes it would look nice in isolation, but it's going to do fuck all to disguise everything that's happened around it.

A burning American flag as your profile and 9/11 jokes? Really got it in for the yanks?

[TepidT2O]

perm ban you fucking ignorant twat.

Do you know, some people don't deserve a guy like Kenny on their side.

Thanks for the ban Pheeny, the mods get a lot of stick here but you are 100% correct, keep up the good work.

[Gigantic Lamb]

I took this from a poster on TIA,

Quote:
Whats wrong with this picture ?



Look where Sammy Lee is sitting. It was the same throughout the match. (2 rows back)

Who is Hodgson sitting next too ?
Right- Darren Burgess (Head, Fitness and Conditioning) joined summer 2010
Left- Peter Brukner (Head of Sports science) joined summer 2010
Behind- Zaf Iqbal (Team doctor) joined summer 2010

So the 3 people closest to Hodgson are all new to the club, and qualified in areas were they can offer little or no tactical advice.

hmmm

[silver 5 star]

Whatever Mr Picky. You get my point.... I dont have a degree in English like you do.

Your only consistent point is the one on top of your head..

[JayCee]

Ignorant ??   the following word sums you up. Its a valid point mate , face up to it He walked out on us last time.

Time to turn off your PC and get a book on the aftermath of Hillsborough and the role of Dalglish. He'll never be forgotten for what he did and will never be frowned upon for leaving considering what he'd been through.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

[SwedenRed]

Roy ! please go, and take most of that shower of shit that wear the red shirt with you. We are becoming a laughing stock to all football fans from around the world. I really dont know how much more i can take. The team i have supported all my live is becoming a gutless bunch of over paid spoilt brats.

Laughing stock only until now? When was the last time we won the League?! Its been a long time of 'laughing stock' I think...

[silver 5 star]

Look where Sammy Lee is sitting. It was the same throughout the match. (2 rows back)




......rumours around Sammy is not a happy man......

[GinKop]

10 pages about the manager going since the game ended, yet only 6 pages about the march and after game stay behind, and taht thread was started days ago. This is where the problem is, people are letting themselves get distracted.

Folks, seriously, you need to understand, thos of you that dont already, that whoever is manager of the club, as long as we are under the ownership of those bastards, its all irrelevant. Kenny takes over tomorrow, say he improves performances on the pitch, what does it mean long term? He cant take us to where we want to be, not with the current ownership. Or say he cant turn it round? What happens then?

Same goes for any name you want to throw out there to take over from Roy tonight, tomorrow, next week - it doesnt matter. Dont get me wrong, I DONT think Roy is the man for the job, I never have thought that and it would take a lot to convince me otherwise, but, right now, who the manager of our club is is NOT the matter we need to concern ourselves with. This club in its current guise is NOT Liverpool Football Club as we know and love it. Its like someone robbing your bank card and stealing your identity, thats whats happened to our club. Roy cant fix it, Kenny cant fix it, Rafa cant fix it, not the spirt of the great Shankly or Paisley can fix it.

We NEED to get rid of the owners, we NEED to focus our attention on removing the cancer from OUR Clunb, we NEED to get stability off the field, and only THEN can we really look to get back to where we were oh not so long ago, and whoever our manager is at that time we can get behind them and discuss the football matters of this Club.

Focusing right now on the manager is only distracting us from what is important, please, people, do not allow yourselves to be distracted, the only way forward is removing 'them'. THEN we can come back here and talk about the proper stuff, who should be left back, what position we need cover in, is the manager right for the job etc. At the moment I cant even think about these things, our Club will NOT be our Club as long as they own us, regardless of Roy being in charge or not.

Please, please, focus on the action we need to take. We MUST get the yanks out. Its not our key priority, its our ONLY priority.

YNWA

Great post.

YANKS OUT first, then let's take it from there.

[Khal]

Were in the mire Hodgson not good enough is the smaller problem needs to be change on all fronts starting from getting the c*nts out.

[Jokerman]

10 pages about the manager going since the game ended, yet only 6 pages about the march and after game stay behind, and taht thread was started days ago. This is where the problem is, people are letting themselves get distracted.

Folks, seriously, you need to understand, thos of you that dont already, that whoever is manager of the club, as long as we are under the ownership of those bastards, its all irrelevant. Kenny takes over tomorrow, say he improves performances on the pitch, what does it mean long term? He cant take us to where we want to be, not with the current ownership. Or say he cant turn it round? What happens then?

Same goes for any name you want to throw out there to take over from Roy tonight, tomorrow, next week - it doesnt matter. Dont get me wrong, I DONT think Roy is the man for the job, I never have thought that and it would take a lot to convince me otherwise, but, right now, who the manager of our club is is NOT the matter we need to concern ourselves with. This club in its current guise is NOT Liverpool Football Club as we know and love it. Its like someone robbing your bank card and stealing your identity, thats whats happened to our club. Roy cant fix it, Kenny cant fix it, Rafa cant fix it, not the spirt of the great Shankly or Paisley can fix it.

We NEED to get rid of the owners, we NEED to focus our attention on removing the cancer from OUR Clunb, we NEED to get stability off the field, and only THEN can we really look to get back to where we were oh not so long ago, and whoever our manager is at that time we can get behind them and discuss the football matters of this Club.

Focusing right now on the manager is only distracting us from what is important, please, people, do not allow yourselves to be distracted, the only way forward is removing 'them'. THEN we can come back here and talk about the proper stuff, who should be left back, what position we need cover in, is the manager right for the job etc. At the moment I cant even think about these things, our Club will NOT be our Club as long as they own us, regardless of Roy being in charge or not.

Please, please, focus on the action we need to take. We MUST get the yanks out. Its not our key priority, its our ONLY priority.

YNWA

Absolutely. Spot on.

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Re: SORRY - He's got to go....
« Reply #417 on: Today at 07:40:38 PM »
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would cost us money i suppose to sack roy now, so bring in Roberto Di Matteo as manager and keep roy on as either a defensive coach  or a hat stand.
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Not a bad shout that.

[jfc]

pathetic tactics + he seems to stubborn to change them. poulsen is like a passenger, i just dont seem to see what he adds to our team, he just seems to get bypassed.. i just want him out asap. the tactics are horrendous.

[spudlington77]

would cost us money i suppose to sack roy now, so bring in Roberto Di Matteo as manager and keep roy on as either a defensive coach  or a hat stand.

 

[SwedenRed]

Your only consistent point is the one on top of your head..

Give me a break. I dont see how a Liverpool Supporter backing his Manager under a current 'on the pitch' mini crisis is Wrong. I for one will back the Manager until he is given enough time for me to judge over a period of time...And that will be minumum of a Season. 

[BIGdavalad]

A burning American flag as your profile and 9/11 jokes? Really got it in for the yanks?

Just for two of them.

[youll never walk alone it]

SWEDENRED? yerrr 4  points off being champs only 16 months ago is laughing stock isant it?

[Red Ol]

The Liverpool way is long gone thanks to Mr Moore’s and Parry, Mr Hicks and Gillette and Mr Purslow and Broughton.  This is the most critical time in our history. The results at the moment ar shocking, but surely secondary to the ownership issues - the future of the club. 

Like so many on here I wanted Roy to at least steady the ship as it was bound to be a bit rudderless when Rafa was ousted.  Didn’t have any problem with him particularly as I thought that any really great manager was either out of our price bracket or too wise to consider coming to Anfield during this turbulent time.  However, it’s clear he is struggling. and I really think he’s out of his depth and I’m convinced he won’t be here by Christmas – this is Blackburn all over again for Roy, (but bigger and uglier)

But it would be stupid to get rid of him right now if, as I dearly hope, there’s going to be a change of ownership very soon.  At that point a new owner would surely want their own man in charge and Roy can go with a modicum of dignity citing a change as the reason (and I hope to God Purslow goes with him).

I know this is a get rid of Roy thread, but the focus has still got to be on the owners, the banks and the board. Sort out our club you motherf**kers!!

 

[kennedy81]

Why do you ask that ?  you think appointing dalglish will work do you ?  A man whos been out of the game for so long. we shouldnt let sentiment get in the way . agreed he has Liverpool in his heart but he will not be the answer, get shut of the owners first then we can all chat about who we want as manager then.

the first bit you said, about Dalglish walking away 'when things got tough' and your suggestion that he doesn't deserve the job because of that.
thats just insulting to the man, maybe you're too young to remember what was going on back then.
as I've said in many other posts, I don't want Kenny to get he job either, but not for the same reasons you seem to have.

[TepidT2O]

Great post.

YANKS OUT first, then let's take it from there.

But... And Its a BIG but, if we get relegated then we are really totally and utterly fucked. We can't ignore the manager totally.  I do agree that it shouldn't get in the way of getting the vermin out though

[jimjam55]

did i not read somewhere that it was Kenny D, after being turned down for the job,was given the task of interviewing applicants for the job and did he not reccomend Roy Hodson,it's the board that are the problem, season ticket holder at chelsea Broughton is on our board! he must be loving all this,

[cashmere pringle]

Time to turn off your PC and get a book on the aftermath of Hillsborough and the role of Dalglish. He'll never be forgotten for what he did and will never be frowned upon for leaving considering what he'd been through.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

i think he was looking for a fight , he's from elsmere  port and 43 years of age so he knows exactly what went on and the reasons Dalglish
had to leave .

[redmark]

He has indeed. However, I am not going to judge him now, only a couple of months after taking arguably the most difficult job in football Management right now. I will judge him at the end of the Season, and I think that is fair.

This has nothing to do with being "fair". It's not a reality TV show where some lucky punter gets to manage Liverpool for a season before being judged.

Forget the results. Forget the tactics. Read his own words in the papers this morning - about how it's "insulting" to ask if his approach doesn't translate from Fulham to Liverpool, because his unchanging methods have served him well for 35 years, at giants of European football such as Halmstads and Malmo and made him one of "the most respected coaches in Europe". His own fucking words.

Decent bloke, my arse. He'd have resigned by 5pm today if he was. It's not the Liverpool Way to accept mediocrity and fail to recognise a terrible mistake.

[thew]

All those involved with putting Hodgson in charge have to go.

He must be sacked as soon as possible  to try and stop this downward spiral - Kenny as a caretaker manager until the end of the season  looks like the logical choice.

This is becoming horrendous.

[cashmere pringle]

this comment on guardian blog !!!!!!!!!!!
Blackpool are a tough team, we haven't beaten them at Anfield for goodness knows how many years. I've got to say my expectations were not that high anyway. I am a little disappointed to lose the game but would not have been disappointed if we could have held them to a draw.

they are taking the piss

[El Campeador]

As long as we do not get relegated, it doesn't matter what position we end up in. The net difference in prize money is very small, and since we all know Champions League football next season is a pipe dream now, 4 or 5 million quid here or there doesn't really mean much. It's harsh, I know, but you have to separate emotion from analysis.

What matters more is the state of the club after the Roy Hodgson era is over. If Roy costs this club 3-4 young players who go on to become 10m+ players while signing 29 year olds who will depreciate to zero, any new owner will have to eat that loss. Far better to keep the youth and sell the aging, for the club's sake *regardless* of future ownership.

But Hodgson has overseen an alarming reduction in squad value so far, not to mention future potential. Each asset he buys is worth less with each passing day. Lucas cost 6.5m and with proper negotiation, may be sold for at least that much, if not more. Potentially, his stock could rise two fold. Insua is the same. However, Poulsen will never, ever be worth what we paid for him. Neither will Konchesky. Joe Cole costs us 4m a year, has already earned around that much in a signing bonus, and it's difficult to envision a scenario in which we sell him next year for 12m. 

It's a distinct possibility that we will not get new owners even if RBS forces Hicks' hand. Even if we are sold, there is no guarantee that the next owner will be a benevolent one who has more money than business sense. Someone who bottom-fishes for cheap investment opportunities rarely overspends.

For that reason, we must arrest the decline and lock the doors as soon as possible. We spent years thinking Mash was worth twice as much as he was eventually sold for. Insua walked away for salary. I used to think we'd get 60m for Torres; now I feel that he can name his team, and force our hand into paying about half that.

Roy's not a negotiator. He's not a brilliant strategist. He's not renowned for his scouting brilliance. And we've now seen that he's not a steadier of the ship. The longer he sticks around, the more expensive his shortcomings will become.

The longer Hodgson sticks around, the more Riojas get popped for lunch. Sooner rather than later, the wine cellar will be empty while we all are still pimping ourselves to fantasy owners.

[redoneusa]

I have to say he has to go. Rafa recommended Kenny to begin with and we should of gone with that. Could not have done any worse!