Topic: The state Of The States. How Has America Got To Now?

[Conocinico]

It's an open carry state. He can carry a gun. You might not like it, but it is as legal as carrying a baguette.

[So… Howard Philips]

Luckily he didn't wear a short skirt either. What's wrong with some of you?

Is this a parody account?

If you can't tell the difference between victim blaming a rape subject and criticising a gun totin' fantasist well......

[Conocinico]

Is this a parody account?

If you can't tell the difference between victim blaming a rape subject and criticising a gun totin' fantasist well......

It's the same principal, if you can't tell that your emotions are affecting your judgement. He was the one attacked, blaming the victim because you deem their behaviour inappropriate when they had every right to behave the way they were is in both cases unjust.

[DangerScouse]

Luckily he didn't wear a short skirt either. What's wrong with some of you?

Fuck me. What an awful analogy. Clown.

[DangerScouse]

It's the same principal, if you can't tell that your emotions are affecting your judgement. He was the one attacked, blaming the victim because you deem their behaviour inappropriate when they had every right to behave the way they were is in both cases unjust.

Seriously, cut out this utterly ridiculous argument.

[Dim Glas]

It's an open carry state. He can carry a gun. You might not like it, but it is as legal as carrying a baguette.

and this is why there will never be harmony on this subject.

I am guessing you are American, and therefore brought up with all this and whether you agree with it or not, it is ‘normal’.  And partly because of a stupid out of date amendment that no one can go against despite the fact it is utter bullshit.

Like I said before, the thing that baffles me more than anything about all this is how so many are just so absolutely fine with what he did - because it IS normal for them. And that in itself is so damn sad.

[So… Howard Philips]

It's the same principal, if you can't tell that your emotions are affecting your judgement. He was the one attacked, blaming the victim because you deem their behaviour inappropriate when they had every right to behave the way they were is in both cases unjust.

You haven't answered my question about him 'protecting his community' when he didn't live in Kenosha.

[Conocinico]

Seriously, cut out this utterly ridiculous argument.

Seriously? OK, I won't draw analogies again, I don't want anybody's feelings to be hurt here. My apologies.

[Conocinico]

You haven't answered my question about him 'protecting his community' when he didn't live in Kenosha.

His dad lived there. It was his second home.

[jambutty]

Do you support Liverpool?

We're all on the same team here, spiritually and philosophically.  We're talking about points of law in the U.S.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

We're all on the same team here, spiritually and philosophically. 

The Astroworld thread has shown that not to be true.

[AndyMuller]

Some shite in here from our American supporters as usual.

[stevensr123]

He didn't live in Kenosha. How can that be 'his community'?

His dad and other family members live there, it’s 20 minutes away from where he normally lives. Some of his mates live there. He worked as a life guard there.

[jambutty]

Some shite in here from our American supporters as usual.

Some Scousers love to put the boot in.

The shite you're talking about is legal argument.

Are you an authority on the Yank legal system?

Can't win here.  I'm out.

This is the Anti-Americanism we've discussed, John C.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

This is the perfect example of why US gun laws are so fucked up,there's no evidence that the people he shot were out to murder him (stupid fucking call) & not disarm him after they themselves heard a gunshot & thought that he came from him.

Won't be long before some cops kill a teacher that's armed up.

[Iska]

Some shite in here from our American supporters as usual.

Commenting on an American domestic issue too.  Unbelievable those guys.

[stevensr123]

This is the perfect example of why US gun laws are so fucked up,there's no evidence that the people he shot were out to murder him (stupid fucking call) & not disarm him after they themselves heard a gunshot & thought that he came from him.

Won't be long before some cops kill a teacher that's armed up.

your post is full of misinformation though? Have you even watched the video? How was he “coming” for them, when he was the one running away from them?

[WhereAngelsPlay]

your post is full of misinformation though? Have you even watched the video? How was he “coming” for them, when he was the one running away from them?

Where the fuck did I state that he was coming for them ?

Try reading it again.

[AndyMuller]

Commenting on an American domestic issue too.  Unbelievable those guys.

Just checked a few posters locations who are chatting the wham and was surprised to see Liverpool and UK which is fair enough, it looks like it’s just not our American supporters who talk shite.

[Jshooters]

It's an open carry state. He can carry a gun. You might not like it, but it is as legal as carrying a baguette.

So let me get this straight…if someone was strolling towards a school (in an open carry state) with a semi automatic rifle on their shoulder and a member of the public rushed them to avert a potential school shooting, are you seriously suggesting that the gun carrier is within their rights to kill the other person due to self defence?

[stevensr123]

Where the fuck did I state that he was coming for them ?

Try reading it again.

”not disarm him after they themselves heard a gunshot & thought that he came from him.”

You suggested a narrative that isn’t backed up by the facts.

[Conocinico]

This is the perfect example of why US gun laws are so fucked up,there's no evidence that the people he shot were out to murder him (stupid fucking call) & not disarm him after they themselves heard a gunshot & thought that he came from him.

Won't be long before some cops kill a teacher that's armed up.

There is evidence, which is why he was acquitted. Rosenbaum attacked him, Kyle has a gun, it was reasonable for Kyle or anybody else to think that Rosenbaum was going for his gun. Even then if a nutter attacks you and chases you, it's dangerous with or without a weapon.

Huber and Grosskreutz both attacked Kyle before he could reach police, if they wanted him to no longer be a threat, they could have just allowed him to run another few hundred yards to the line of police cars he was obviously running towards. Instead he got hit to the ground, hit with a skateboard, kicked in the head and had a pistol aimed at his head.

[So… Howard Philips]

Just checked a few posters locations who are chatting the wham and was surprised to see Liverpool and UK which is fair enough, it looks like it’s just not our American supporters who talk shite.

I think the problem is that we view this affair through a British lens with strict gun control and find it difficult to understand that you can not only legally own an assault rifle but walk through the streets with one over your shoulder.

[AndyMuller]

If I get attacked am I allowed to kill someone then? I’ve been in fights I’ve not started before should I have just killed them?

[Iska]

Just checked a few posters locations who are chatting the wham and was surprised to see Liverpool and UK which is fair enough, it looks like it’s just not our American supporters who talk shite.

It certainly isn’t mate.

[AndyMuller]

I think the problem is that we view this affair through a British lens with strict gun control and find it difficult to understand that you can not only legally own an assault rifle but walk through the streets with one over your shoulder.

True, as bad as the UK is at the minute I don’t think it would ever be as backward as the states.

[stevensr123]

If I get attacked am I allowed to kill someone then? I’ve been in fights I’ve not started before should I have just killed them?

in America yea. And in the uk, if someone was pointing a gun at your head, then yes probably as well.

 At the end of the day, it’s the law over there hence it was clear he would be acquitted.

Wether you agree or disagree with the law is another matter. I personally think it’s completely fucked.

But then again, the protesters and rioters where armed as well. It’s backwards society.

[So… Howard Philips]

True, as bad as the UK is at the minute I don’t think it would ever be as backward as the states.

I think some are still fighting the Civil War. Electing a Black president was the final straw.

[AndyMuller]

in America yea. At the end of the day, it’s the law over there hence it was clear he would be acquitted.

Wether you agree or disagree with the law is another matter.

It just reinforces how backwards the country is to be honest.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

”not disarm him after they themselves heard a gunshot & thought that he came from him.”

You suggested a narrative that isn’t backed up by the facts.

You read English so it's pretty obvious that I meant "it came from him" because he came from him doesn't make sense now does it. 

[Dim Glas]

I think the problem is that we view this affair through a British lens with strict gun control and find it difficult to understand that you can not only legally own an assault rifle but walk through the streets with one over your shoulder.

dependant on colour.

Coming from the UK, but sadly living in this stupid country, I will never get my head round the simpering people do here to a sodding amendment that isn’t even relevant today, and constantly throw it in peoples faces as the only excuse they need to behave like utter gormless pricks.

[Sheer Magnetism]

It isn't dependant on colour, black protesters have marched heavily armed en masse in open carry states over the past year and nothing happened. Though I'm sure it would have if counter protesters had tried to attack them.

No one has refuted what Conocinico posted on the last page so I'm guessing the not guilty verdict was justified as Rittenhouse was being attacked while he was running away by at least one person who was threatening to kill him while another was pointing a gun at his head. Is this incorrect?

[DangerScouse]

It isn't dependant on colour, black protesters have marched heavily armed en masse in open carry states over the past year and nothing happened. Though I'm sure it would have if counter protesters had tried to attack them.

No one has refuted what Conocinico posted on the last page so I'm guessing the not guilty verdict was justified as Rittenhouse was being attacked while he was running away by at least one person who was threatening to kill him while another was pointing a gun at his head. Is this incorrect?

One of them was unarmed so I'm not convinved arriving into a town and patrolling the streets with a semi automatic rifle in despite of a protest in support of a black man who was killed should be considered self defense.

[GreatEx]

. Rittenhouse went there as a vigilante and was looking for a confrontation (wandering round the streets, pointing his gun at protestors ). 

Is there any evidence of this? First I've heard.

[Linudden]

No, the prosecutor isn’t there to secure a ‘win’, he’s there to make sure the case-as-it-happened is put before the jury.  That’s why Grosskreutz had to speak, even if sunk the case.  It would have been completely unethical to have held him back.

In principle you're absolutely correct, but the body language of the guy who facepalmed after Grosskreutz' testimony confirmed that Rittenhouse didn't fire before he had the gun pointed at him would indicate a rather unprofessional behaviour in that sense. When the prosecutor spoke of what I heard, it came across as preachy. Like when they hailed Grosskreutz for being an upstanding medic, yet 'forgot' to mention he also brought an illegal gun to the protest and pointed it at someone.

I'm glad Grosskreutz is alive but there's no need to paint a rosy picture of him. Just like Rittenhouse he was a stupid guy with a gun. That category were the only ones with guns around there and like I mentioned before, there are no winners in this trial. The final outcome is that Rittenhouse avoids taking the literal L and that there were two deaths that didn't need to happen if not for the crazed US gun culture.

I hope lessons are learned from this and that we won't see similar tragedies in the future, but then again it's the homeland of mass shootings and reckless discharges of guns so that's a faint hope I suppose

[stevensr123]

Is there any evidence of this? First I've heard.

there isn’t.

And he wasn’t there looking for confrontation, all evidence suggested he was cleaning up damage from the night before, putting out fires from the rioters and was providing medical help to people (including protesters).

The reason why he was chased in the first place is because they saw him trying to put out a fire.

[RedBootsTommySmith]

Interesting post-trial interview with the defense attorney:

https://youtu.be/78hIxlLIiy8

[DangerScouse]

there isn’t.

And he wasn’t there looking for confrontation, all evidence suggested he was cleaning up damage from the night before, putting out fires from the rioters and was providing medical help to people (including protesters).

The reason why he was chased in the first place is because they saw him trying to put out a fire.

It's amazing how almost everything you state appears to be factual but is in fact unsubstantiated. You should make more use of the word "allegedly".

[stevensr123]

It's amazing how almost everything you state appears to be factual but is in fact unsubstantiated. You should make more use of the word "allegedly".

it is substantiated.

Photos of him cleaning up graffiti.

Witnesses showing him putting out fires

Videos of him on the night asking anyone if they needed medical help


All this was shown during the trial.

[the 92A]

No matter what you think in terms of guilt, one thing that is obvious is this is the consequence of US gun laws, the fact  that a kid can set out to a protest wielding a semi automatic is the frightening thing for most of us on this side of the Atlantic. Pure madness. You'd go down for twenty years just for that here.