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Liverpool FC Forum / Re: Mohamed Salah - Best in the World *
« Last post by robertobaggio37 on Today at 11:50:37 am »
Despite what Ornstein is coming out with, I would be surprised if he is still here next season. It's possible of course that the club have weighed up what we would get in a transfer fee against what he is worth for another 12 months. But the prospect of getting £70m+ (and freeing up hundreds of thousands a week in wages) at a time when the attack looks in need of being reinvented is surely too tempting. I think it's as much of a risk to keep him as it is to let him go at this point. This summer has a very different feel to last when selling him would have been nothing short of a disaster.

Agree with this.
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Just look at Klopp's and Pep's first seasons.

It was nowhere near the level they achieved in the following seasons. Looking at points and positions specifically is short-sighted. They need time to reach the peak of their work - it's about improving and being better the season before. Do that and the success will take care of it self. Don't do that and we'll have to find someone else.


Guardiola and Klopp had to turnover a lot of their squads. Does Slot need to do that.

It has to be top four minimum.  He has to be judged from season 1.
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Media and Arts / Re: Music Association Game
« Last post by Terry de Niro on Today at 11:49:41 am »
Singin' In The Rain - Gene Kelly
In The Air Tonight - Phil Collins
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Re Jota - why are you still saying this? He's doubled his xG this season. No one does that once you get to a decent sample size. It's not that being over his xG is an outlier (he's been over and under for us), it's being double his xG which is the outlier. Jota's output, over a large enough sample size, will revert towards the mean. That's just xG being xG. Some players will marginally outperform it (Jota for us and perhaps over his career) and there will be some outliers who overperform it significantly. But plenty of great goal scorers will basically hit their xG over a large enough sample size.  Nunez's numbers, like everyone elses, will tend towards the mean. It's no surprise that his have done that over a large enough sample size. I'm not saying his season overshooting his xG is representative. I'm saying his performance over his career is representative. You're saying that we can ignore a part of the data sample as an anomaly whilst focussing on other parts of the data sample. But that's not how data works. And of course if you want to get into finishing skill etc you're going to have to explain how Nunez over performed that season in Portugal - presumably you think it was luck? That is, the intangibles that you're deriding me for relying on. In reality variance really matters in goal scoring, chances which 'should' be taken are actually less likely to be taken than we think and the biggest predictor of high scoring output is high value shot output.

Nunez takes lots of high value shots because per 90 his xG is high and per 90 his shot numbers are high. He's less efficient with the shots he does take than Jota (who is unbelievably good at shot selection, I can't recall seeing him shoot from outside the box, like ever) but he's getting lots of good chances to score goals. He absolutely needs to score more of them in the future but it's not going to change his numbers that much even if he does. His goals per 90 numbers are already really good. This has been said a million times by multiple posters in this thread and has fallen on deaf ears (and hasn't stopped silly comments like the one from collytum above) but anyway, there it is.

As for the comments about finishing - who's arguing Nunez is a better goalscorer than Jota? That's not the conversation being had in comparing them.

Nunez doesn't take a such a high volume of high value shots as you think, on average.  A good metric for that would be to look at the average xG per shot a player has had.  There are 57 players who have at least an xG 5 in the PL this season.  If you rank them by that metric, he falls 24th - just behind Keane Lewis-Potter and above Beto and Salah, with an average xG of 0.143 (the average across all 57 players is 0.138).  The top scorers this season in the league are all above him on that metric - although ours arent (Salah is at 0.149, Jota at 0.129, Diaz at 0.126, and Gakpo at 0.121). 

For reference - Here is the top goal scorers in the league (non-Penalty), ranked by this metric (and for npxG + A per 90) - everyone who has at least 10 league non-pen goals (plus Diaz/Alvarez/Jota) as useful points of comparison.  If ranked by Expected Goals + Assist, it shows Darwin as the 2nd best (behind only Haaland) - ranking by actual puts both Haaland and Darwin down to 5th and 6th - and thanks to Watkins/Brennan Johnson/McBurnie and Hwang MASSIVELY outperforming their expected goals.  Mo Salah, another on here that many have criticised, is 3rd in the Expected metrics, and 8th in the overall - hardly poor.

PlayerMinsnpxGShotsxG/ShotnpGAOver/Under Performance xGxG+A/90G+A/90
Ollie Watkins2970161030.155191218.8%0.8480.939
Brennan Johnson16488420.19010725.0%0.8190.928
Oliver McBurnie12805.3310.17110388.7%0.5840.914
Hwang Hee-chan18826.1410.14910963.9%0.7220.909
Erling Haaland221120.1990.203175-15.4%1.0220.896
Darwin Núñez199514.91040.143118-26.2%1.0330.857
Richarlison13998.8580.15210313.6%0.7590.836
Mohamed Salah226413.2930.142129-9.1%0.8830.835
Cole Palmer21628.5790.10811929.4%0.7280.833
Son Heung-min24878.9710.12514957.3%0.6480.832
Phil Foden25189.3930.10016772.0%0.5830.822
Chris Wood15559.1370.24612131.9%0.5850.752
Cody Gakpo14056.9570.12110144.9%0.5060.705
Jarrod Bowen28399.9730.13616661.6%0.5040.697
Alexander Isak194213.3610.2181415.3%0.6630.695
Kai Havertz236410570.17511610.0%0.6090.647
Diogo Jota11455.3410.1297132.1%0.4950.629
Bukayo Saka27539.9940.1051091.0%0.6180.621
Leon Bailey18886.1500.12210363.9%0.4340.620
Luis Díaz241011.1880.12688-27.9%0.7130.598
Dominic Solanke311316.1990.163163-0.6%0.5520.549
Nicolas Jackson235114.8640.231104-32.4%0.7200.536
Rasmus Højlund19537.3340.215829.6%0.4290.461
Julián Álvarez262811.1950.11785-27.9%0.5510.445
Yoane Wissa235710.1620.163101-1.0%0.4240.420
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Does that have anything to do with the stats people wanting Nkunku over Nunez?

Now you're shifting the goalposts.  He clearly lies about Nunez missing a string of chances in the Merseyside Derby. That's a fact as Rafa would say.
Also he attempts to mislead by saying Nunez played well against Liverpool while on the other hand Nkunku had an unbelievable season. Nunez was also on the back of an unbelievable season.

The stats people may have preferred Nkunku.  Not sure why he had to tell lies to get that across.  But I suspect Nunez was on their radar too. Highly unlikely that Klopp went on a complete solo run.
Either way we dodged a bullet on a perma crocked 26 year old so we should be delighted.  Nkunku is worthless as a player and a saleable asset
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Liverpool FC Forum / Re: Welcome Dominik Szoboszlai
« Last post by redgriffin73 on Today at 11:48:23 am »
You want him to leave Hungary and come back hungary?  ;D

He's gonna be starving by next season ;D
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They’ll sign Robin Olsen on an emergency loan deal.

Or Tony Coton.
Moyes calling Olsen?
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The Boozer / Re: London Hotels
« Last post by Buck Pete on Today at 11:46:50 am »
We're doing that ABBA Voyage thing in June, booked the Premier Inn near Euston as I stayed there with work years ago and it was decent. Still taking the piss though, £200 for a night for the pay on arrival/last minute cancellation rate.  There were cheaper hotels but they looked to be the size of a shoebox with small beds, we're both near 6ft tall and I'm a bit "chunky" these days, so that's no use to us ;D

Me and the missus went to the Abba Voyage thing after the West Ham game on Saturday.  Was pretty good fun to be fair, amazing how it's done.  You'll enjoy it Rob. Plenty of middle-aged pissed-up women. :)

Parked and stayed in a Premier Inn at Buckhurst Hill near Epping for a bargain £40.  Just a few stops away from Stratford on the Central Line.

Worked brilliantly.  Jumped on the DLR from Stratford to Pudding Mill Lane.  The Abba arena is literally right outside PML station.
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I know hardly anyone here will adhere to it but no manager should be judged in their first year.

Of course they should.   Edwards and co. will have clear expectations for year #1 and the new manager will be judged by those expectations. 
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Just look at Klopp's and Pep's first seasons.

It was nowhere near the level they achieved in the following seasons. Looking at points and positions specifically is short-sighted. They need time to reach the peak of their work - it's about improving and being better the season before. Do that and the success will take care of it self. Don't do that and we'll have to find someone else.

Agree with this. Top 4 sounds like the minimum aim on paper, but it's really not that simple. I know it sounds vague, but we need to remember that progress isn't linear and sometimes it's not based on specific markers. I just want to see us building something new next season, whatever that means.
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