Topic: Jill's gorra boss Worcester Combi! (aka the weather thread)

[rob1966]

The summers here are gorgeous though. You might remember I used to live even farther north in Swedish Lapland? While we had a lot of sun there, the average temperature wasn't much to write home about. At least here we get 30+ in the summer......in last year's heatwave was almost too much, but that's a discussion for the climate emergency thread

And yes - the people here are a LOT better - at least here, nobody's tried to recruit me into the latest pentecostal-oriented faith cult....

I'd like the summers, but you can keep the winters - I want to live where I can go in the garden in January and paint the fence, or work on the bikes. Too tied into my life here though to up sticks and go.

[Red Beret]

Sidebar: I'd love to up sticks and eff off out of the UK, but given my mental state I doubt anyone would take me. I'd urge anyone who fancies a fresh start to seize the opportunity though.

[Slippers]

A bit milder here,which means it's also pissing down.

[spen71]

I would love to live in Perth Oz.     Got a friend who lives there.    Never gets below 17 degrees even in winter.    That would be bliss

At 51 now no chance of that

[24/7]

Failing to keep a runway open after just 2cms of snow is one thing but seeing people bitch about delays and cancellations due to freezing fog makes me laugh. It's an entirely different phenomenon with an entirely unique set of dangerous circumstances. They can't even be compared. Yet people whinge and whine. What are airlines and airports meant to do? Set up massive hairdryers and alter an entire air mass covering a huuuuge area? Bitch on twitter all you like.


My first two weeks working at the Met Office at RAF Benson were in thick, freezing fog. 20m visibility. Cycled 6 miles each way on country roads in the dark n all. Cardboard bicycle? Aye, we were lucky in them days...

[Nobby Reserve]

Failing to keep a runway open after just 2cms of snow is one thing but seeing people bitch about delays and cancellations due to freezing fog makes me laugh. It's an entirely different phenomenon with an entirely unique set of dangerous circumstances. They can't even be compared. Yet people whinge and whine. What are airlines and airports meant to do? Set up massive hairdryers and alter an entire air mass covering a huuuuge area? Bitch on twitter all you like.


My first two weeks working at the Met Office at RAF Benson were in thick, freezing fog. 20m visibility. Cycled 6 miles each way on country roads in the dark n all. Cardboard bicycle? Aye, we were lucky in them days...

Scariest moment I've had on a plane is when a twin-prop I was on tried to land in thick fog at London City... then had to abort when we were about 50 foot off the ground.

We circled the city for about half an hour waiting for the fog to lift (which was actually awsome, as were in a cloudless sky and below is the tops of the taller buildings were poking through the fog). When it didn't, they took us to fucking Southend and put us on a double decker bus to take us to London. Twats.

[rob1966]

Just take off blindly obviously. These dickheads can tear arse down a motorway in thick fog, so why not bomb down an empty runway in a plane? Piece of piss

[24/7]

Just take off blindly obviously. These dickheads can tear arse down a motorway in thick fog, so why not bomb down an empty runway in a plane? Piece of piss

Whilst ILS can help you take off and land blind, for safety reasons you need visibility in case of any unexpected traffic on, e.g. taxiways or even the runway. Look what happened at JFK last week.........twice.........two potentially very nasty incidents prevented because ATC had eyes-on.

[rob1966]

Whilst ILS can help you take off and land blind, for safety reasons you need visibility in case of any unexpected traffic on, e.g. taxiways or even the runway. Look what happened at JFK last week.........twice.........two potentially very nasty incidents prevented because ATC had eyes-on.

Oh I know its dangerous a fook, but that's the thinking these dicks will have. Fog was a contributor the the Tenerife disaster that killed 583 people

[24/7]

Oh I know its dangerous a fook, but that's the thinking these dicks will have. Fog was a contributor the the Tenerife disaster that killed 583 people

Saw a documentary on that recently, interviewing the copilot of the plane on the ground hit by the other one from which nobody survived. Truly horrific.

[rob1966]

Saw a documentary on that recently, interviewing the copilot of the plane on the ground hit by the other one from which nobody survived. Truly horrific.

The Dutch captain, who was the poster boy for KLM was the one who took off without proper clearance, thus hitting the PAn Am - it was the fire that killed most of the Pan Am passengers.

There was actually 1 survivor from the KLM flight. They were all allowed off the flight in the Airport and given special badges so they could be traced and put back on the plane, before it flew on to Gran Canaria. A Dutch holiday rep who lived on Tenerife decided to just sod off home without permission and didn't get back on.

[Son of Spion]

Wasn't that one reason why they built a new airport on Tenerife? The one where the disaster happened was too high up at 2,077ft, so was often bathed in low cloud/fog.

The newer airport, Reina Sofia, is just 209 ft above sea level, so not prone to such problems.

[rob1966]

Wasn't that one reason why the built a new airport on Tenerife? The one where the disaster happened was too high up at 2,077ft, so was often bathed in low cloud/fog.

The newer airport, Reina Sofia, is just 209 ft above sea level, so not projector such problems.

Yes it was. They'd decided in the late 60's to build it, but they only got a shift on after the disaster. Los Rodeos is now called Tenerife North (TFN) and handles about 5.5 million passengers a year, mainly Internal flights from Spain itself and the other islands.

[Statto Red]

Quick glance at the date, & it's 24th January already, & February next week, Christmas feels like yesterday rather than a month ago, one good thing you do notice the days getting longer.

[Nobby Reserve]

Yes it was. They'd decided in the late 60's to build it, but they only got a shift on after the disaster. Los Rodeos is now called Tenerife North (TFN) and handles about 5.5 million passengers a year, mainly Internal flights from Spain itself and the other islands.

Because it came just a few years after that KLM/Pan-Am disaster, it's kind of the 'forgotten air disaster', but a Dan Air flight from Manchester to Tenerife in 1980 also crashed, killing all 146 on board. It was put into an ill-used holding pattern that the pilots didn't understand and was in a thick bank of cloud. They ended up flying into the mountainside.

Almost all the casualties were from the North West.

[24/7]

Slight aside here, I was doing some research (for a RAWKite actually) about the WW2 pioneer RAF crews who were testing radr to detect enemy aircraft whilst in flight - they were called the 'Nightfigters'. In one book, written by one of these brave pilots, I saw a metaphor for mountains that typified the dark humour of such crews at the time, especially given the circumstances (warfare) and conditions (all weathers, in the dark) - "stuffed clouds". 

[liversaint]

Because it came just a few years after that KLM/Pan-Am disaster, it's kind of the 'forgotten air disaster', but a Dan Air flight from Manchester to Tenerife in 1980 also crashed, killing all 146 on board. It was put into an ill-used holding pattern that the pilots didn't understand and was in a thick bank of cloud. They ended up flying into the mountainside.

Almost all the casualties were from the North West.

A good mate of my dad was on that, remember it well.

[rob1966]

Because it came just a few years after that KLM/Pan-Am disaster, it's kind of the 'forgotten air disaster', but a Dan Air flight from Manchester to Tenerife in 1980 also crashed, killing all 146 on board. It was put into an ill-used holding pattern that the pilots didn't understand and was in a thick bank of cloud. They ended up flying into the mountainside.

Almost all the casualties were from the North West.

I read about that the other day while researching TFN airport, I'd never heard of it before that.

As someone who has holidayed a lot in Tenerife, I'm very familiar with watching Teide quickly go from clear to shrouded in cloud and fog

A good mate of my dad was on that, remember it well.

Dreadful that.

[Statto Red]

Went for a day out yesterday to North Wales, Mount Snowdon & the Mountains around it looked spectacular with snow on the top of them.

[Nobby Reserve]

Has Moel Famau still got snow on it, does anyone know?

[Son of Spion]

Has Moel Famau still got snow on it, does anyone know?

A late reply I realise, but no. The Clwydian hills have no snow left on them. Still patchy stuff on Snowdonia though.

[Nobby Reserve]

A slow drift of the weather back toward unsettled shite.

[liverbloke]

i'm cold today - is it just me? am i getting a chill?

(in liverpool)

[24/7]

Bah, we see this all the time in the Nordic regions, summer and winter, it's partly why Estonians call the summer "the white nights" as this is very common at the twilight hours.

Gorgeous though, eh? 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-64450253

Rare 'mother-of-pearl' cloud spotted in Scotland



(link contains plenty more stunning images!)

[Son of Spion]

i'm cold today - is it just me? am i getting a chill?

(in liverpool)

I was in town earlier and there was a very nippy wind coming off the Mersey.

[Boston always unofficial]

Boston weather folk are hyping up a cold snap for the weekend suppossed to be -10 celsius for a high on Saturday.Been lucky so far no wicked cold and no real snow.

[24/7]

I was in town earlier and there was a very nippy wind coming off the Mersey.

If the wind was coming from across BMD, you'd say it was bitter, right?

[Son of Spion]

If the wind was coming from across BMD, you'd say it was bitter, right?

Absolutely. 🥶

[Statto Red]

Into February already, Christmas feels like it was only yesterday, not 5 weeks ago,   means spring & the clocks going forward is only around the corner.

[rob1966]

Into February already, Christmas feels like it was only yesterday, not 5 weeks ago,   means spring & the clocks going forward is only around the corner.

Can't wait, sick of winter, dark and cold days, watching the spend on the meter (thanks for that you Tory c*nts) and being unable to do things outside the house.

I've noticed its quite light around 7am now and still got a bit of light at 5:45pm.

[Statto Red]

Can't wait, sick of winter, dark and cold days, watching the spend on the meter (thanks for that you Tory c*nts) and being unable to do things outside the house.

I've noticed its quite light around 7am now and still got a bit of light at 5:45pm.

Your not the only one, i hate winter, with the long dark nights, roll on April.

[Red Beret]

We're up to around 9 hours of daylight, roughly what we had in November. Another three hours to gain over the next six to seven weeks.

[rob1966]

We're up to around 9 hours of daylight, roughly what we had in November. Another three hours to gain over the next six to seven weeks.

Lovely.

I want to put a new decking area in at the bottom of the garden, service the wifes car, get my main bike serviced, rebuild the other bike thats been apart for 12 years, I need the daylight and warmth.

[24/7]

The daytime sun here is now high enough to clear the roofline of the building to my south, which means I'm now getting natural sunlight into the bedroom and living room, which is lovely 

[Nobby Reserve]

Current unsettled spell not likely to last long. High pressure forecast to move over the UK. Early signs are that it more likely to be a 'clean' high - less cloud, but increased chance of frost & fog.

Where the high pressure drifts to then has disagreement in the output models. Most show it slipping SE-wards, allowing more cloud and maybe unsettled weather into the North and west of the UK, but milder temps. Some have the high riding NE or E to link with a Siberian high; this would bring colder conditions.

[redbyrdz]

Is it just me or is it too dry already? No rain on the forecast for the next two weeks either. In February. If there is none in March, it'll be another bad year.

(I mean, personally I don't miss the rain, but it is needed)

[reddebs]

Is it just me or is it too dry already? No rain on the forecast for the next two weeks either. In February. If there is none in March, it'll be another bad year.

(I mean, personally I don't miss the rain, but it is needed)

I had to water the pots, baskets and containers in the garden yesterday morning and even though we had a bit of rain in the afternoon it's still very dry.

The wind isn't helping as it's drying the ground as quickly as it's being rained on.

[24/7]

There's been a worrying shift in rainfall patterns over the last few decades - the UK should be in a reasonably (relatively speaking) predictable pattern you can track throughout the year, with maxima usually peaking in Feb/Mar and Aug but overall, throughout the year, a decent spread.

Now the UK receives an increasing number of 'freak' events with massive precipitation levels but a longer gap between them.

With the ground drying out, it can't 'hold' the water as well as it normally would - then you get run-off.....with massive amounts......and that causes flashflooding.

[Nobby Reserve]

Is it just me or is it too dry already? No rain on the forecast for the next two weeks either. In February. If there is none in March, it'll be another bad year.

(I mean, personally I don't miss the rain, but it is needed)

In lieu of Rob giving us his roving reservoir reports, I can say that I've seen Thirlmere and Booth Wood Reservoir up close in the past few weeks, and both were full to the brim.

(looking at UU's reservoir levels, it does look like northern reservoirs are above average for the time of year, whilst Dee/Vyrnwy levels a little below. Nothing to be concerned about, though)

[Nobby Reserve]

There's been a worrying shift in rainfall patterns over the last few decades - the UK should be in a reasonably (relatively speaking) predictable pattern you can track throughout the year, with maxima usually peaking in Feb/Mar and Aug but overall, throughout the year, a decent spread.

Now the UK receives an increasing number of 'freak' events with massive precipitation levels but a longer gap between them.

With the ground drying out, it can't 'hold' the water as well as it normally would - then you get run-off.....with massive amounts......and that causes flashflooding.

Tarmacking/paving areas formerly grass/soil doesn't help in the UK.

Wider afield, and shifting weather patterns is going to be the catalyst for major mass migrations in the years to come, and that often leads to conflict (even when the world is not as overcrowded as it is these days).