Topic: Injury (and absence) related chat (so the news is kept in the other thread)

[SamLad]

we announced a new team doctor just a few days ago. I don't know if he's even on board yet, but hopefully he'll be able to step in and improve things.

I tell you what -- right now if I was another club's negotiator in a battle with LFC over a player's signature, you can be damn sure I'd be pointing him and his agent to our injury stats. "do you really want to go there and risk your career?"

[Samie]

we announced a new team doctor just a few days ago. I don't know if he's even on board yet, but hopefully he'll be able to step in and improve things.

I tell you what -- right now if I was another club's negotiator in a battle with LFC over a player's signature, you can be damn sure I'd be pointing him and his agent to our injury stats. "do you really want to go there and risk your career?"

Really? You're an idiot if you really think players would stop coming to us over this.

[SamLad]

Really? You're an idiot if you really think players would stop coming to us over this.

I'm not an idiot, thanks.  I'd say (a) you're being naive if you think this issue wouldn't come up during negotiations and (b) some players wouldn't be swayed by it.

honestly - do you see another PL team whose players get injured as often, or break down again after treatment so quickly - and not just once, but over and over again.

[Samie]

You are if you're coming out with crap like this. Almost trollish. 

[SamLad]

You are if you're coming out with crap like this. Almost trollish. 

erm ... bollix.  I'm not trolling anyone ffs.

you didn';t answer my question btw -
do you see another PL team whose players get injured as often, or break down again after treatment so quickly - and not just once, but over and over again?

[Samie]

That's a bit of a diffrent topic to the one you were saying that players might not come to Liverpool Football Club because their fuckin' agent s will tell them we've got a shite Medical department currently. That's the bit I called you out on as that's idiotic. If you actually believe that  crap then prepare for us not to sign anybody for the foreseeable future.

[El Lobo]

I'm not an idiot, thanks.  I'd say (a) you're being naive if you think this issue wouldn't come up during negotiations and (b) some players wouldn't be swayed by it.

honestly - do you see another PL team whose players get injured as often, or break down again after treatment so quickly - and not just once, but over and over again.

Yes

https://www.premierinjuries.com/injury-table.php

https://www.newcastleworld.com/sport/football/newcastle-united/the-brutal-data-that-shows-how-injuries-impacted-newcastle-united-leeds-everton-in-202122-3715632?page=3

[SamLad]

That's a bit of a diffrent topic to the one you were saying that players might not come to Liverpool Football Club because their fuckin' agent s will tell them we've got a shite Medical department currently. That's the bit I called you out on as that's idiotic. If you actually believe that  crap then prepare for us not to sign anybody for the foreseeable future.

what?  how the hell is a different topic?

if you're trying to persuade a player to go to your club and not LFC, why the hell would you NOT use every trick to get it done?  it's what you're getting paid for!

and if you're player who's sincerely torn between LFC and another club, why would that NOT be a deciding factor if you see all other things being equal?

and for the 3rd time, pls answer my fucking question:
do you see another PL team whose players get injured as often, or break down again after treatment so quickly - and not just once, but over and over again?

[El Lobo]

I answered for him already

[Chris~]

what?  how the hell is a different topic?

if you're trying to persuade a player to go to your club and not LFC, why the hell would you NOT use every trick to get it done?  it's what you're getting paid for!

and if you're player who's sincerely torn between LFC and another club, why would that NOT be a deciding factor if you see all other things being equal?

and for the 3rd time, pls answer my fucking question:
do you see another PL team whose players get injured as often, or break down again after treatment so quickly - and not just once, but over and over again?

https://www.theshedend.com/topic/35707-injury-and-fitness-concerns/

Feels like this is becoming a bit like all fans thinking their club is terrible at set pieces

[SamLad]

I answered for him already

missed it.
I'm aware of that site but it only shows current injuries, not repeats / breakdowns after being given the all-clear.

still waiting to see Samie's answer.

[Samie]

Haha thank you me old chum Lobo. 

I was about to post that table.   

I about to watch my Fez boys play, that's the answer you'll get for now. 

[SamLad]

https://www.theshedend.com/topic/35707-injury-and-fitness-concerns/

Feels like this is becoming a bit like all fans thinking their club is terrible at set pieces

I can't get at that site (adblocker).

does it show stats for repeat injuries, like we've been having  all season (or longer)?

[SamLad]

Haha thank you me old chum Lobo. 

I was about to post that table.   

I about to watch my Fez boys play, that's the answer you'll get for now. 

repeat of what I said to Lobo:
I'm aware of that site but it only shows current injuries, not repeats / breakdowns after being given the all-clear.

[Chris~]

I can't get at that site (adblocker).

does it show stats for repeat injuries, like we've been having  all season (or longer)?

This is the first post

November 13 in General Chelsea FC

Scott Harris
Scott Harris
Posted November 13
This is something that has become a huge concern at the club. For the past 3 seasons we have been watching our players get pulled off game after game with injuries, to the point where we can't seem to go 2 games without at least one of our subs being used on an injured player.

I have also noticed that our players can't seem to play at a high tempo at all. When they try, they either break down with injury or they can't sustain it for long periods. Every other team in the league seems to play with a lot of energy and pace, but we are so slow and look dead on our feet.

Surely this isn't normal. You can be unlucky, it happens to every club now and again, but 3 years on the trot?

Our schedule compared to other teams has been a bit hectic, but we also have a much bigger squad than most, so I am not sure that can be used as an excuse. It feels like the team is ill-prepared for the physical requirements of the game at this level.

Also, I mean you could just look at what's happened to James, Chilwell, Pulisic, Fofana off the top of my head this season, Kante as well.

Spurs are another, Conte was shitting on their medical department in public earlier this year and if you search for it, its the same kind of comments we have about how long is a player really out for with players like Romero, Kulusevski and Bentancur getting injured recently. They're just two I remember seeing comments for. Sure if you search it'll be the same for periods with other clubs.

[FlashGordon]

Footballers might just be playing too much football. Who would've thought it.

[El Lobo]

repeat of what I said to Lobo:
I'm aware of that site but it only shows current injuries, not repeats / breakdowns after being given the all-clear.

Unless you’re aware of any site that does show that I’d suggest you stop making baseless claims.

[SamLad]

Unless you’re aware of any site that does show that I’d suggest you stop making baseless claims.

What claim have I made?  I asked a question about other PL clubs.
Just getting in the car, I'll read Flashs's response shortly.

[El Lobo]

What claim have I made?  I asked a question about other PL clubs.
Just getting in the car, I'll read Flashs's response shortly.

do you see another PL team whose players get injured as often, or break down again after treatment so quickly - and not just once, but over and over again?

So you’re not suggesting we’re the ‘worst’ for it in the PL with that question…?

[killer-heels]

Diaz’ injury is unfortunate and you would think it was an actual surgeon who was making the decision first time around. It was always a bad sign when he left the training camp though.

In terms of the rest, we have generally seen the players who get injured a lot get injured again. If anything its more of an issue with which players we are buying and keeping than the fitness teams.

[jillcwhomever]

Some shite being posted in here. We use the top medical people we can and they don't just cut someone's body open for the sake of it, they're not butchers ffs. The medical staff will have looked at the scans, examined Luis and decided he didn't need surgery with the injury he had. Now, something else has happened and he now needs surgery. Shit happens.

+1.

[jillcwhomever]

Diaz’ injury is unfortunate and you would think it was an actual surgeon who was making the decision first time around. It was always a bad sign when he left the training camp though.

In terms of the rest, we have generally seen the players who get injured a lot get injured again. If anything its more of an issue with which players we are buying and keeping than the fitness teams.

Or perhaps its a knock from last season and the endless games we played while having a shorter space between the two seasons when we began again. It could just be a one off, let's just wait and see.

[newterp]

Or perhaps its a knock from last season and the endless games we played while having a shorter space between the two seasons when we began again. It could just be a one off, let's just wait and see.

How could it be a knock from last season? He played the first 2 months for us this season and looked great.

[jillcwhomever]

How could it be a knock from last season? He played the first 2 months for us this season and looked great.

I am talking about the injuries being suffered generally not Luis.

[SamLad]

So you’re not suggesting we’re the ‘worst’ for it in the PL with that question…?

Suggestion and question aren't synonymous, last time I checked. 

[newterp]

I am talking about the injuries being suffered generally not Luis.

Ahh got it.

[SamLad]

This is the first post
Also, I mean you could just look at what's happened to James, Chilwell, Pulisic, Fofana off the top of my head this season, Kante as well.

Spurs are another, Conte was shitting on their medical department in public earlier this year and if you search for it, its the same kind of comments we have about how long is a player really out for with players like Romero, Kulusevski and Bentancur getting injured recently. They're just two I remember seeing comments for. Sure if you search it'll be the same for periods with other clubs.

Good points, ta. I don't spend much time tracking other clubs injuries, so maybe I'm in too much of an echo chamber. Does that sitte - any site- provide repeat-injury type stats team by team? Would seriously love to see it.

Anyhow, our injury record is a concern, and once again we're in a season where it could cause us to fall short.  Seems like there are several possible reasons kicking around:
- we sign players while glossing over injury histories
- we overwork them in training
- there's simply too many games to deal with and we don't rotate enough
- our medical staff aren't up to scratch

... or all/ some of the above in combination, with a bit of truth to all of them.

[killer-heels]

Or perhaps its a knock from last season and the endless games we played while having a shorter space between the two seasons when we began again. It could just be a one off, let's just wait and see.

Would have to see who wracked up the most minutes last season compared to this. Reckon those who played the most last season are also playing the most this season.

[farawayred]

Would have to see who wracked up the most minutes last season compared to this. Reckon those who played the most last season are also playing the most this season.

Minus Mane. Which I think is significant.

[TepidT2O]

Elliot just gone off injured

[Nick110581]

Elliot just gone off injured

We are back.

[Chakan]

We are back.

Seemed more precaution than anything else though.

[TheShanklyGates]

Seemed more precaution than anything else though.

So we're looking at an initial 3 weeks out followed by a set back and we'll see him again in March if we're lucky?

[Chakan]

So we're looking at an initial 3 weeks out followed by a set back and we'll see him again in March if we're lucky?

Yup pretty much exactly that

[TepidT2O]

Kicked the ground as he took a shot I think…

[newterp]

Kicked the ground as he took a shot I think…

Fuck you, ground.

[leinad]

Is Jones injured again?

[rawcusk8]

Fuck you, ground.

New club doctor needs binning off, obviously not explained to the lads that kicking the ground can result in injury.

Is Jones injured again?

Indeed he is. I would say it’s not believed to be serious but whenever we say that the player isnt seen for a while so best to just hope he’s back soon and not put a timeline on it.

[Samie]

Harvey was precaution. Kloppo says he felt something but is okay now. 

[Chakan]

Harvey was precaution. Kloppo says he felt something but is okay now. 

Once Klopp touches you...