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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103520 on: July 17, 2021, 10:48:26 am »
Looks like the official site has put up the profiles of the first year scholars a bit earlier than usual
https://www.liverpoolfc.com/team/academy

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103522 on: July 17, 2021, 04:08:24 pm »
PItaluga was listed as one of the squad for the first team trip to Austria, but not seen him yet.  Do we suppose he is injured? 

On the list of first year scholars , I think we all knew Ennis had moved on (sadly).  I think there may have been one more U16 who got minutes in the U18s last year but is not included.  Don’t know whether still an U16 for this year, or has walked, or been released.  11 new scholars seems about the right number.  If you look at the Academy outgoings released, sold (Millar), or walked (Larouci, Savage), there is only 7 so far.  Not much good stockpiling unless we get more out on loan.  Doubtless there will be some loans yet but news of the adcademy pre-season is scant except for a steady trickle of new contract signings

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103523 on: July 17, 2021, 04:21:32 pm »
PItaluga was listed as one of the squad for the first team trip to Austria, but not seen him yet.  Do we suppose he is injured?

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103524 on: July 17, 2021, 04:24:50 pm »
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I think there may have been one more U16 who got minutes in the U18s last year but is not included.  Don’t know whether still an U16 for this year, or has walked, or been released.  11 new scholars seems about the right number.   
Giblin?

I'm pretty sure he was an u15 last season

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103525 on: July 17, 2021, 05:06:05 pm »
Giblin?

I'm pretty sure he was an u15 last season

Josh Davidson?

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103526 on: July 17, 2021, 05:08:04 pm »
Josh Davidson?
Pretty sure he's an u15 last year, u16 this as well.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103527 on: July 18, 2021, 04:23:13 pm »
Ethan Ennis has refused to sign a contract ?   rejected the offer of a scholarship this summer and looks set to instead join one of the our Premier League rivals.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103528 on: July 18, 2021, 05:40:34 pm »
Ethan Ennis has refused to sign a contract ?   rejected the offer of a scholarship this summer and looks set to instead join one of the our Premier League rivals.

Yeah, rumours are that he wanted a bigger paycheck and we have a wage cap.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103529 on: July 18, 2021, 06:05:47 pm »
Yeah, rumours are that he wanted a bigger paycheck and we have a wage cap.
Inglethorpe admitted the wage cap, which seemed a pretty soft one anyway, isn't something we stick to for everyone.

He'll have picked any number of reasons to leave to join Manchester United, money might be one

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103530 on: July 18, 2021, 08:24:59 pm »
Yeah, rumours are that he wanted a bigger paycheck and we have a wage cap.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103531 on: July 18, 2021, 10:24:47 pm »
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103532 on: July 19, 2021, 10:24:54 am »
This is a huge assumption.  Wages for one year as a 17 year old is most unlikely to be the reason - it’s too shortsighted and no one needs a big pay packet age 17.  They all get another deal a year later, than another.  Owen Beck is supposed to signed one at 17 and another 2 since, all in Less than 18 months.  So the pay goes up.  The decision is most likely to be based on chances of progression, and one article I read said Klopp had a poor record on that versus the other big clubs.  Actually I think they are right.  But that probably says more about the historic quality of our academy, and our style of play, and lack of rotation.   So we sold Hoever, Brewster, and might have to sell Neco Williams, etc and others like Woodbury and Wilson never really broke through.  Just saying mind, would rather have Klopp than any other manager in the world

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103533 on: July 19, 2021, 12:27:24 pm »
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“ So we sold Hoever, Brewster, and might have to sell Neco Williams, etc and others like Woodbury and Wilson never really broke through.  Just saying mind, would rather have Klopp than any other manager in the world”

Don’t see us regretting any of those sales or more we will be correct most of the time

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103534 on: July 19, 2021, 02:35:50 pm »
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“ So we sold Hoever, Brewster, and might have to sell Neco Williams, etc and others like Woodbury and Wilson never really broke through.  Just saying mind, would rather have Klopp than any other manager in the world”

Don’t see us regretting any of those sales or more we will be correct most of the time

Yeah, you might be right but that wasn’t my point.  By the law of averages with good academies, there should be a few that come through and a number of games for the club to get a good career started, even if they then move on.  This seems to be the case with most top academies, except us and Man City.  Is, for example, Brandon Williams any better than Neco Williams?  But the former has has 20 plus prem league games, a lot from starting.  We had Trent playing a ridiculous number of games last year on the back of injury and COVID but Neco wasn’t entirely trusted.  Of course he is not as good as Trent, no where near, but if you don’t play players, trust them, give them a chance to blossom, then they might not develop to their potential with us.  At least Man City rotate, even if not with this own youth so much.  I think Brewster could have been a really top striker, if he had played a bit more, if he had stayed longer.  Now he’s in the wilderness.   Klopp probably has good reason not to trust some players (Tsimikas for a year, Minamino some most of that), and he knows much better than me, but if players don’t develop and play a bit then they at least look like their growth gets stunted.  I fear a bit for Cain and Clarkson.  They’ve been training with the firsts for a year and a bit, without playing apart from U23s. I think they’ll need loans sooner rather than later.   Anyway, my point is that if players don’t see a pathway then why hang around.  Man U and Chelsea offering much better chances on this than us at the moment.  Even their ‘rejects’, Abraham, Hudson Odoi, the over-rated Loftus Cheek etc should get good careers at good clubs.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103535 on: July 19, 2021, 03:01:46 pm »
Chelsea have the Lampard year and a half and that's it though. Guehi wouldn't sign a new deal and wanted to leave and 3 of their players won't sign new pro deals and are now training with the u16s

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103536 on: July 19, 2021, 03:30:12 pm »
Yeah, you might be right but that wasn’t my point.  By the law of averages with good academies, there should be a few that come through and a number of games for the club to get a good career started, even if they then move on.  This seems to be the case with most top academies, except us and Man City.  Is, for example, Brandon Williams any better than Neco Williams?  But the former has has 20 plus prem league games, a lot from starting.  We had Trent playing a ridiculous number of games last year on the back of injury and COVID but Neco wasn’t entirely trusted.  Of course he is not as good as Trent, no where near, but if you don’t play players, trust them, give them a chance to blossom, then they might not develop to their potential with us.  At least Man City rotate, even if not with this own youth so much.  I think Brewster could have been a really top striker, if he had played a bit more, if he had stayed longer.  Now he’s in the wilderness.   Klopp probably has good reason not to trust some players (Tsimikas for a year, Minamino some most of that), and he knows much better than me, but if players don’t develop and play a bit then they at least look like their growth gets stunted.  I fear a bit for Cain and Clarkson.  They’ve been training with the firsts for a year and a bit, without playing apart from U23s. I think they’ll need loans sooner rather than later.   Anyway, my point is that if players don’t see a pathway then why hang around.  Man U and Chelsea offering much better chances on this than us at the moment.  Even their ‘rejects’, Abraham, Hudson Odoi, the over-rated Loftus Cheek etc should get good careers at good clubs.
Personally think if there good enough the pathway will be there with us , we’re just moving them on quicker than dragging there time out , honestly think we got over what  Brewster was worth and probably get more for Neco than United will for Williams .


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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103537 on: July 19, 2021, 09:33:42 pm »
This is a huge assumption.  Wages for one year as a 17 year old is most unlikely to be the reason - it’s too shortsighted and no one needs a big pay packet age 17.  They all get another deal a year later, than another.  Owen Beck is supposed to signed one at 17 and another 2 since, all in Less than 18 months.  So the pay goes up.  The decision is most likely to be based on chances of progression, and one article I read said Klopp had a poor record on that versus the other big clubs.  Actually I think they are right.  But that probably says more about the historic quality of our academy, and our style of play, and lack of rotation.   So we sold Hoever, Brewster, and might have to sell Neco Williams, etc and others like Woodbury and Wilson never really broke through.  Just saying mind, would rather have Klopp than any other manager in the world
In the last five years we've had one world-class player come through the Academy and Curtis Jones also looks like he'll be international class.
Would you be happy with two players like that every five years? I think I would be. Sure, even more would be better, but perhaps unrealistic.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103538 on: July 20, 2021, 11:09:32 am »
In the last five years we've had one world-class player come through the Academy and Curtis Jones also looks like he'll be international class.
Would you be happy with two players like that every five years? I think I would be. Sure, even more would be better, but perhaps unrealistic.


I would be, but let’s be careful with “international class”.  I agree that Curtis, an England U21, looks like he will be international class, but you haven’t mentioned any of Woodburn, Wilson, Neco, Caoimhin, or Connor who have played international football having come through our academy.  Some of these are on different trajectories, but it is clear there is talent coming through, and more to follow

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103539 on: July 21, 2021, 02:01:22 pm »
Frauendorf signed his first contract.  :D


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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103540 on: July 21, 2021, 02:11:14 pm »
Frauendorf signed his first contract.  :D



That's nice to see, he's good at the footballs.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103541 on: July 21, 2021, 02:39:36 pm »
Yeah, you might be right but that wasn’t my point.  By the law of averages with good academies, there should be a few that come through and a number of games for the club to get a good career started, even if they then move on.  This seems to be the case with most top academies, except us and Man City.  Is, for example, Brandon Williams any better than Neco Williams?  But the former has has 20 plus prem league games, a lot from starting.  We had Trent playing a ridiculous number of games last year on the back of injury and COVID but Neco wasn’t entirely trusted.  Of course he is not as good as Trent, no where near, but if you don’t play players, trust them, give them a chance to blossom, then they might not develop to their potential with us.  At least Man City rotate, even if not with this own youth so much.  I think Brewster could have been a really top striker, if he had played a bit more, if he had stayed longer.  Now he’s in the wilderness.   Klopp probably has good reason not to trust some players (Tsimikas for a year, Minamino some most of that), and he knows much better than me, but if players don’t develop and play a bit then they at least look like their growth gets stunted.  I fear a bit for Cain and Clarkson.  They’ve been training with the firsts for a year and a bit, without playing apart from U23s. I think they’ll need loans sooner rather than later.   Anyway, my point is that if players don’t see a pathway then why hang around.  Man U and Chelsea offering much better chances on this than us at the moment.  Even their ‘rejects’, Abraham, Hudson Odoi, the over-rated Loftus Cheek etc should get good careers at good clubs.

Chelsea was a one off with the transfer ban and Lampard employed to bring players through. Then they spent 250 mill and fucked him off. Abraham would get games if he'd come through here, he was a bigger prospect than Solanke (who had his chances). Hudson Odoi and Loftus Cheek were very highly rated coming through and sought after. Mount and James took their chances, but in what's been a golden era for Chelsea's academy in terms of talent produced not many have progressed to play much for the first team.

United are good at giving young players opportunities but then they've had a substandard squad since Ferguson left.

Our lack of a run in domestic cups hasn't helped. Curtis Jones and Neco Williams had a big breatkthrough in the cup games we had in 19/20. Curtis then pushed on in all comps last season, whereas Neco didn't, which will happen. It's easier to bed players in in League Cup or Europa League than Premier League games when you've no margin for error, or CL.

The disappointing one for me was Hoever. I thought he was good enough to break through and become a first team player.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103542 on: July 22, 2021, 04:08:40 pm »
Twitter says we're signing Bobby Clark from Newcastle. Son of Lee Clark and would be a first year scholar. Played for England u15s and 16s as well

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103543 on: July 22, 2021, 04:17:08 pm »
Twitter says we're signing Bobby Clark from Newcastle. Son of Lee Clark and would be a first year scholar. Played for England u15s and 16s as well

There's been a bit of buzz around him, might be a good pick up.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103545 on: July 23, 2021, 09:14:33 pm »
Kade Gordon hype around this lad too.

https://twitter.com/RisingBallers_/status/1418191530922283010

Gordon looks an absolute steal to be fair, signing the absolute best u18s is the way to go when it comes to value in the market, Elliott is another example.

The main thing to me is if we can get the younger players to take up squad positions then we can really focus our recruitment on the best players, in the past we had nothing coming through so had to fill the squad gaps which left us not enough to compete

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103546 on: July 25, 2021, 02:28:10 pm »
Looks like Tony Gallacher will be the next U23 player to leave according to David Lynch, we're in talks with Sunderland which would be a good move at the right time for him to go and compete for regular first-team football somewhere.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103547 on: July 25, 2021, 04:08:10 pm »
Watching back highlights and who is this Beck kid?  Maybe slight overreaction but he looked very good against Mainz
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103548 on: July 25, 2021, 05:04:30 pm »
Watching back highlights and who is this Beck kid?  Maybe slight overreaction but he looked very good against Mainz
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/who-owen-beck-liverpools-rising-21042596

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103549 on: July 25, 2021, 06:19:41 pm »
Looks like Tony Gallacher will be the next U23 player to leave according to David Lynch, we're in talks with Sunderland which would be a good move at the right time for him to go and compete for regular first-team football somewhere.
There's quite a few u23s we could do with moving on. I know part of it was wanting to keep a strong u18 side together last season but there were some who could have been pushed on earlier if we didn't need to also spread minutes around older players.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103550 on: July 25, 2021, 08:30:14 pm »
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/who-owen-beck-liverpools-rising-21042596

Thanks, and Whisper it quietly but I’ve just set my hype meter to 11.  Love the family connection
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« Reply #103551 on: July 26, 2021, 09:25:36 am »
Thanks, and Whisper it quietly but I’ve just set my hype meter to 11.  Love the family connection
"Wales youth international Beck, who is the great nephew of Liverpool icon Ian Rush".  Great nephew?!  It was bad enough seeing Enrico Chiesa's son at the Euros, but now I feel really old.

It's good that we've given him a long contract as it was frustrating to see the other potential youth team successors to Robbo get itchy feet and turn down contract extensions.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103552 on: July 27, 2021, 10:59:31 pm »
Marty Musialowski has not been in any training pics or video since before the Mainz match.  Hope it’s not serious.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103553 on: July 28, 2021, 10:32:23 am »
Ethan Ennis confirmed he's leaving for Manchester United.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103554 on: July 28, 2021, 10:56:07 am »
Ethan Ennis confirmed he's leaving for Manchester United.

Very odd why this has occurred.  How good was he?

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103555 on: July 28, 2021, 11:25:10 am »
"Wales youth international Beck, who is the great nephew of Liverpool icon Ian Rush".  Great nephew?!  It was bad enough seeing Enrico Chiesa's son at the Euros, but now I feel really old.

You know that Ian Wright's grandson plays for Stoke?
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« Reply #103556 on: July 28, 2021, 12:20:15 pm »
You know that Ian Wright's grandson plays for Stoke?


Didn't he get a great goal last season?

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103557 on: July 28, 2021, 09:10:49 pm »
Marty Musialowski has not been in any training pics or video since before the Mainz match.  Hope it’s not serious.

From Pep Lijnders' latest diary entry:

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« Reply #103558 on: July 29, 2021, 12:40:55 am »
The coming of Messi and Lewandowski combined is upon us.  8)



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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #103559 on: July 29, 2021, 10:35:43 am »
Ethan Ennis confirmed he's leaving for Manchester United.

I see Sky are reporting that out STAR youth player Ethan Ennis left for Utd, I must have missed him being a star