Topic: Older places that have gone/changed in Liverpool

[Medellin]

You should remember this place..

[The Gulleysucker]

....did you ever go to the Wizards Den.

Who didn't? Supplier of stink bombs, itching powder and 'hot' as in burn your throat right out packets of trick sweets to kids of all ages.

I remember at school in the late 60's buying some of those little booby trap devices you would load with a cap and then carefully set the spring and insert it in a book. When the book was opened, the spring in the device would trigger the firing of the cap. I suppose you'd get arrested these days for that sort of joke.

I do remember it being on Moorfields in the late 60's early 70's on the right hand side as you went up to Exchange Station, just before Yates wine lodge over on the left but I think it might have moved sometime in the mid to late 70's as I can't seem to remember it still being there by around '79. I could be wrong though.

[fiveways]

Now that's a cool car parked outside Greenbergs

[redbyrdz]

You should remember this place..

Had to think a moment about "ready to wear". The days when tailor-made was normal.

[dave 5516]

Had to think a moment about "ready to wear". The days when tailor-made was normal.

I got a boss pair of espadrilles from there...black and white striped ones.

[Medellin]

That Greenbergs foto,guessing around 76/7 looking at the cars.
The one at the front i initially thought was a Capri mk1 or a Honda..dont think its either or also whether its the light reflecting making it look like a Starskey & Hutch stripe,difficult to tell on my fone.

Gulley..whare are you? 

[dave 5516]

That Greenbergs foto,guessing around 76/7 looking at the cars.
The one at the front i initially thought was a Capri mk1 or a Honda..dont think its either or also whether its the light reflecting making it look like a Starskey & Hutch stripe,difficult to tell on my fone.

Gulley..whare are you? 

1980.

http://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/maritime/research/mappingmemory/themes/memories/memory-35.html

[dave 5516]

That Greenbergs foto,guessing around 76/7 looking at the cars.
The one at the front i initially thought was a Capri mk1 or a Honda..dont think its either or also whether its the light reflecting making it look like a Starskey & Hutch stripe,difficult to tell on my fone.

Gulley..whare are you? 

The car with the rack looks like a Datsun Sunny 120Y.

[Medellin]

Nice one Dave,looking at the rear window of that car looks to be something different?

[The Gulleysucker]

The car with the rack looks like a Datsun Sunny 120Y.

Yes, there's a resemblance but I don't think it's one of them.

I'm having a real hard job trying to identify it.

It's that rear roof and the sidelight windows angle and shape that's throwing me, and what looks to be quite a US car style overhang at the front.

It does have a Japanese Manufacturer type look about it and I've racked my brains for assorted Toyota and Nissan things like the Laurel coupe but I just can't seem to find a match with the shape of those rear side windows and chrome trim.

So I really don't know, but I'm wondering if it really is some kind of a smaller sized Yank tank as there were quite a few knocking around in the 70's as Burtonwood was running down.

[rob1966]

That Greenbergs foto,guessing around 76/7 looking at the cars.
The one at the front i initially thought was a Capri mk1 or a Honda..dont think its either or also whether its the light reflecting making it look like a Starskey & Hutch stripe,difficult to tell on my fone.

Gulley..whare are you? 

I'd say, based on the shape of the rear quarter window, that its a Mk2 but could possibly be a Mk 1 Capri, with Wolfrace alloys. The rear lights look like the ones fitted to the Mk1, but the rear window looks like the larger one fitted to the 2. Looks like its got a chrome rear bumper too, I remember I had a Mk2 that had chrome but my mk 3 had black bumpers. I also agree its got a Starskey stripe, I think its painted on though.

[The Gulleysucker]

Played with the image to try and see what it might be....

[moondog]

ah memories...
Groppies - cafe at childwall fiveways late 60s early 70s
bikeshop next door - helped out in there occasional saturdays for as many Flying Saucers as I could eat - watched the 66 WC final in there with a small b/w TV on the counter
Jack Sharps - bought some purple George Best footy boots in there haha
the original Penny Lane Records - use to get Neil Young bootlegs there
the chinese chip shop just up Penny Lane at the bottom of the bridge - chop suey roll and chips and a bottle of Cresta...Its Frothy Man!
Nems in Allerton Road
Woolies in Allerton Road
Hargreaves supermarket Allerton Road
The Green Shield Stamps place in town
Hendersons department store (later renamed Binns)
Greenbergs DIY store old swan
the massive Army & Navy store by the Adelphi
the Stadium - remember seeing Hawkwind perform there early 70s with their topless stage dancers
Picton Rd baths
Dovecot baths
negotiating The Rocket before the flyover
Habitat in town - still have some of their cubes housing my vinyl collection
Steak & chips at The Bernie Inn - Woolton Rd

Anyone remember the sports shop on Allerton Road in the early 80s?

[John C]

Anyone remember the sports shop on Allerton Road in the early 80s?

[moondog]

Awesome, also got Ashe & Nephew the offie in shot.

[Medellin]

Played with the image to try and see what it might be....

This feckin thing has done my head in the same way that thread did 'what's wrong with this picture'.
I have come to the conclusion it's a cut n shut! 
The arse end looks like ford lights & mid to front has a honda look about it. I thought i was a prelude or a cr-x but the latter was introduced in '83.
Like G said earlier & i agree it's an import & possibly a US variant of a Capri or something like that.

[rob1966]

This feckin thing has done my head in the same way that thread did 'what's wrong with this picture'.
I have come to the conclusion it's a cut n shut! 
The arse end looks like ford lights & mid to front has a honda look about it. I thought i was a prelude or a cr-x but the latter was introduced in '83.
Like G said earlier & i agree it's an import & possibly a US variant of a Capri or something like that.

With Gulley mentioning a Yank car, I thought it might be a Mustang Cobra 2 from 1974/75, but the rear quarter isn't quite the right shape and back lights are wrong




It got me thinking though, remember when people put those fake plastic louvres over the rear quarter (like the second picture)? I think it might be a Mk2 Capri with those fitted to make the Capri look like a Cobra 2? If they were too big, they'd change the shape of the window. The side of the car is flush, which is how the Mk2's were, the Mk1's had vents and shaped panels.

[Medellin]

Drawn back in cheers Rob 

There are probably a ton alike but tge the closest i got up to now was a Ford Pinto.

[The Gulleysucker]

Howsabout a Chevrolet Vega GT....



In that Google search I linked to the window lines all seem to closely match and there's a few with bootlip spoilers which I think it has...

[Medellin]

 

I think you have nailed it there G.

Rear window,shape,window trims,sills..chromework all looks blob on too.
Even the rear window/hatch looks rounded at the top.
I'll take that as resolved.

[only6times]

Wrangler flares from Greenbergs in the mid 80's.

[Medellin]

Wrangler cords flares from Greenbergs in the mid 80's.

[Big Red Richie]

I'm not having that Gulley.

Is the roof rack a MKI, MKII, or a hybrid?   

[The Gulleysucker]

I'm not having that Gulley.

Is the roof rack a MKI, MKII, or a hybrid?   

Nah, it's a Desmo universal....



 

[the 92A]

I know fuck all about cars and this might be well wide of the mark but one of the lads I used to work with, Georgie Mew, had a red Ford Mustang, muscle car that looks remarkably like that one.

[rob1966]

I'd say that a match Gulley, never seen that model of car before.

[fiveways]

with the Deli on the corner and the roast chicken shop nearly opposite - always a queue in there I seem to recall -

talking of food... I can still smell and taste the burger with fried onions I use to get at the Wimpey upstairs at Silver Blades Icerink late 60s - back in the days when the organ was played during the interval while they cleaned the ice!

[John C]

with the Deli on the corner and the roast chicken shop nearly opposite - always a queue in there I seem to recall -

The butchers is still there and is popular among the young-uns for a lunchtime scran.

[Pistolero]

Swinging Liverpool....Central was such a handsome station...alas its days were numbered following the <shudder> Beeching report...and then demolition, as always, was the preferred option

[fiveways]

Love those signs...

Umbrellas recovered
Electric Shavers repaired

today we live in a throw-away society

[So… Howard Philips]

Love those signs...

Umbrellas recovered
Electric Shavers repaired

today we live in a throw-away society

And look how slim everyone looks.

Mid 70s perhaps?

[only6times]

And look how slim everyone looks.

Mid 70s perhaps?

Nah, that lady in pink is only about 25.

[So… Howard Philips]

Nah, that lady in pink is only about 25.

Haha. I bet she is wearing tights and doesn't have a single tattoo either.

[The Gulleysucker]

Haha. I bet she is wearing tights and doesn't have a single tattoo either.

The era of Tramp Stamps had yet to arrive.

[only6times]

Remember when you had to go to the travelling circus when you wsnted to see a fat, tattooed lady?

[rob1966]

And look how slim everyone looks.

Mid 70s perhaps?

The Cortina in the pic is a 67 (E reg) and looks quite new to me. Looking at the clothes I'd say late 60's, maybe very early 70's.  When I've seen pics of me as a kid, I'm about 3 or 4 and my Mum has similar clothes on, any later on and my Dad has shirts with massive collars

[gazzam1963]

Whenever you see city centre pictures from the 50s/60s lots of buildings look darker and dirty due to what was in the air at the time yet the Lewis's building looks just lime today really clean

[So… Howard Philips]

The era of Tramp Stamps had yet to arrive.

First time I heard that expression was in an episode of Dexter as Vince Masuka was taking Dexter around tattoo parlours and a pole dancer was having her lower back/ upper buttocks emblazoned.

[Big Red Richie]

Whenever you see city centre pictures from the 50s/60s lots of buildings look darker and dirty due to what was in the air at the time yet the Lewis's building looks just lime today really clean

A lot of the older buildings in the city centre had not been cleaned in over a hundred years.    That's a century or more of coal soot, traffic fumes, smog and the rest.  So at that time, they were all dirty.

In comparison, the new Lewis's building was only rebuilt after the war, in the late 40s/early 50s. 

Also take into effect, the clean air act that was brought in in the mid 1950s, which over the next twenty years or so, to the time that picture was taken, had reduced the amount of crap getting pumped into the atmosphere.

 So at the time of this picture. the Portland stone on the new Lewis's was only about 20 years old, as apposed to the century of soot on the others.


It still makes me laugh, and cringe at the same time, when you see pictures of say, the Liver Buildings, St.George's Hall etc. from the mid   70s or earlier. You'd swear blind they were built from black stone. 


Edit: The Lewis's building was also sand blasted/chemically cleaned within the last ten years as part of the conversion and refurb.

[Pistolero]

And look how slim everyone looks.

Mid 70s perhaps?

1968...