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Re: Our fantastic away support
« Reply #9280 on: September 14, 2021, 10:16:21 am »
Turn a blind eye to what? There's absolutely nothing to go on from the tweet you posted. If it happened then quite obviously it'd need dealing with and the bloke in question chucking out and not being allowed to a football match again, at least. But the time has literally already past for that to happen because a bloke on twitter decided he'd do nothing about it at the time, but just randomly drop it on twitter a little bit later.

I genuinely don't get the motivation to post a single tweet from someone with no evidence whatsoever and no possibility to ever find out anything about an 'incident' and hasn't been reported by anyone else whatsoever. But the only person who has turned a blind eye to it is the one person who could have actually done something about it (if it even happened). Its nothing but Chinese whispers, someone thinks they heard something at a raucous football ground, tweeted about it, someone posted it on RAWK and all of a sudden 'people are turning a blind eye to racism'. Its ridiculous.

sorry, forgot every time we encounter racism we need to whip out our phone and provide evidence. it's exactly the line the Club has used in the past when people have reported racism. nobody is making stuff up just to get engagement.

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Re: Our fantastic away support
« Reply #9282 on: September 14, 2021, 10:18:00 am »
I swear if a bloke put up a post-it note on a lamppost in Guadalajara saying 'a Liverpool fan at the Leeds game was wearing a MAGA hat and Trump mask' written in Mexican, you'd find it pretty quickly.

I'm really not quite sure what anyone's meant to do with that. It doesn't seem like he reported it, didn't confront the guy (if it even happened), it doesn't appear that anyone else heard it or reported it or confronted the guy. So what.....just take some random bloke on twitters word that there's now a racist element to the Liverpool away support?

There is a racist element to our away support, I can tell you that with 100% personal experience of it and it’s one of the reasons I sacked Happy Al’s off pretty quickly as that was terrible for it.

To be clear it’s pretty minor compared to other clubs and you tend to hear/see it on coaches or trains rather than in the ground because the individuals involved in it know full well they’ll get told to fuck off if they do it in the ground (and potentially banned) but it absolutely exists.

The thing is, as I’ve said before, it’s a societal thing to an extent and it’s naive in the extreme to think that an issue such as racism which, sadly, is still ever present in society as a whole is absent from our support simply because we’re from a city and a club which has socialist and inclusive beliefs. Those things will minimise it, and they do minimise it, compared with, for example, an away trip to Stanford Bridge where the difference is pretty obvious if you end up surrounded by the wrong section of their home support, but it nevertheless exists and it needs eradicating.

It’s a tricky one because the simplistic argument of ‘they’ll always be a few pricks’ is true, and it largely depends what coach you’re on, what train you’re on or what pub you’re in as good whether you see or hear it, maybe if you travel to aways by car, go in and out of the ground and go home you may well be of the opinion that it doesn’t exist, but for those of us who see an away as much about the journey there, the pub before and after etc, I think you’d be hard pushed to find many that haven’t born witness to it.

What I will say is the vast majority of what I’ve seen has been groups of very young lads, in their late teens and early twenties, beaked up and simply trying to do anything which is ‘edgy’. Whether it’s munich songs,  racist songs or whatever it may be, which suggests perhaps it’s born out of a want to be seen edgy or whatever rather than because the individuals involved genuinely hold those beliefs. That of course doesn’t make it any better for the individuals unlucky enough to be on the end of that abuse but it does potentially make it easier to eradicate through education if the individuals involved are misguided rather than out and out racists.


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Re: Our fantastic away support
« Reply #9283 on: September 14, 2021, 10:23:57 am »
sorry, forgot every time we encounter racism we need to whip out our phone and provide evidence. it's exactly the line the Club has used in the past when people have reported racism. nobody is making stuff up just to get engagement.

bizarre.

But you're aiming your ire in completely the wrong direction. How is anyone meant to do anything in terms of punishments if the people who actually hear it in the first place do fuck all about it at the time? You said 'LFC need to find this prick and ban him'. How exactly are they meant to do that? You're painting it as 'LFC and its fans turn a blind eye to racism' but the only person who has done that is the only person who could have actually done something about it.
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Re: Our fantastic away support
« Reply #9284 on: September 14, 2021, 10:32:32 am »
exactly the type of defensive response i expected. he should've reported it but oddly has chosen not to it seems. he's one of our own fans. what you should've taken away from that is report it, don't just put it on social media.

it's our club, our fanbase and we should be responsible for any individual being racist, homophobic or generally a bellend regardless if it's 1 or 50,000.

some of you are happy to turn a blind eye when it's our own. go argue amongst yourselves now.  :wave
Fine.
What do you suggest that clubs and fanbases like Utd. City. Everton. Leeds. Chelsea should do when large parts of the away end at Anfield sing songs that many find offensive, but are highly likely to cause extreme pain to some of the home crowd who were directly affected by Hillsborough?

I'm all for getting rid of the bellend element in our support but until other clubs and fanbases take responsibility for not just isolated individuals, but huge numbers, that think its acceptable to abuse grieving people.
I'm totally sick of people plea bargaining mass abuse down to "there's idiots on both sides" when with us it tends to be isolated, but for other clubs it's significant numbers.


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Re: Our fantastic away support
« Reply #9285 on: September 14, 2021, 10:42:33 am »
Good writeup in TAW

https://www.theanfieldwrap.com/2021/09/writing-leeds-united-liverpool-chants-media-role-analysed/?unapproved=91817&moderation-hash=8c9e54f508f527b03fca8c0f058e1d21#comment-91817

You expect it from Leeds but it's some of our lads mocking tragedies that's sickening. What's wrong with these people? They're not welcome at Liverpool.

It's not a throwback to the 80's either, it's the Twitter generation. Let's be as much as a twat as we can. Unfortunately it's infesting our support as much as our rivals'.
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Re: Our fantastic away support
« Reply #9286 on: September 14, 2021, 11:13:09 am »
Might as well change the thread to "Our racist, homophobic and in general twattish away support' the way some people tall about it here

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Re: Our fantastic away support
« Reply #9287 on: September 14, 2021, 11:16:50 am »
You expect it from Leeds but it's some of our lads mocking tragedies that's sickening. What's wrong with these people? They're not welcome at Liverpool.

It's not a throwback to the 80's either, it's the Twitter generation. Let's be as much as a twat as we can. Unfortunately it's infesting our support as much as our rivals'.
All this thing about it impacting us as much as anything else is bollocks. Its 10s of our fans and thousands of us.

When was the last time you heard our fans singing en masse about anything like this as you get at Old Trafford or Elland Road.

Could you imagine our fans singing "96 wasn't enough" if it happened to another team?

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Re: Our fantastic away support
« Reply #9288 on: September 14, 2021, 11:24:53 am »
All this thing about it impacting us as much as anything else is bollocks. Its 10s of our fans and thousands of us.

When was the last time you heard our fans singing en masse about anything like this as you get at Old Trafford or Elland Road.

Could you imagine our fans singing "96 wasn't enough" if it happened to another team?

The last time I personally remember it being really bad was OT in 2010 in the FA Cup (Kenny’s first game back.)

Berbatov dived for a penalty and Gerrard was quite harshly sent off, all within the first 10 minutes or so. After that the Munich song was getting belted out en masse and chairs were being lobbed from the upper tier (as we had 2 tiers that day with it being an increased allocation) down to the fans below, some of which were our own fans getting hit by the chairs which outlines the level of fucking brainlessness going on there.

I do definitely think it’s improved a lot since (although I’ve not been to OT much since then) but the element still exists. The Anfield Wrap article above sums it up quite well I think, we can all do better, the media should be doing better rather than arguing over whether Ronaldo is the best player in the world or not, maybe do a bit to highlight it when fans are behaving like many were on Sunday.

Definitely agree with the point that it’s a smaller amount of our fans than the opposition, that’s always been the case, even in the example I just gave there were far more Mancs giving it the murderers stuff than our fans giving it back, it’s fucking bizarre there,  I remember getting the train back to Liverpool once after OT and it’s one of them that stops off everywhere so loads of Mancs going back to places like St. Helens and even the fucking kids were doing it with their parents looking proudly on. Weird fucking club them, but it doesn’t negate the point that we can do better and should always call it out when it goes on.

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Re: Our fantastic away support
« Reply #9289 on: September 14, 2021, 11:26:10 am »
All this thing about it impacting us as much as anything else is bollocks. Its 10s of our fans and thousands of us.

When was the last time you heard our fans singing en masse about anything like this as you get at Old Trafford or Elland Road.

Could you imagine our fans singing "96 wasn't enough" if it happened to another team?

You're right with that, I meant more infesting our support as well.

We can't keep calling out this kind of thing with other fans, when some of our own can't keep their heads. If someone's response to a Hillsborough chant is to mock at two Leeds fans getting stabbed to death then they're as bad and need banning from the ground. It's not on.
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« Reply #9290 on: September 14, 2021, 12:21:04 pm »
There’s so much that’s shite about the game, and society in general these days. It is depressing. Everyone’s got theories  even if I reckon that there were as many nob’eads in the “good old days” as there are now. I think there was far more self-regulation then so the wankers tended to keep their heads down more.
Even if we hated our rivals, there was some sort of respect which people learnt from home. Without wanting to sound like the ol’ arse who says the good old days were better, there’s one story which stands out. When Leeds came to Anfield back in 1969, Liverpool needed to win to stay in the title race. We drew and Leeds were crowned champions. The Kop gave them an absolutely brilliant reception and started chanting “ Champions! Champions”.     It was an incredible moment. Even if we still did “ all fucking hate Leeds” , there was an abundance of bonhomie around  as well.
I’ve spoken about it on here before. Apologies if I’m repeating something that’s already done the rounds.
Different times I suppose and maybe different values. Sorry to hark on about the stone age, but there’s a lesson in it I reckon. You can loathe a team but if you respect them you’re on a different level.
Here’s the link to an article about it.

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Here's the  video about it too.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DzCEjgtFnw


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Re: Our fantastic away support
« Reply #9291 on: September 14, 2021, 01:27:57 pm »
Might as well change the thread to "Our racist, homophobic and in general twattish away support' the way some people tall about it here

At least the away support aren't vegan...
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« Reply #9292 on: September 14, 2021, 02:15:38 pm »
At least the away support aren't vegan...

 :lmao :lmao  If they were we'd bloody know about it as it would be rammed down our throats  ;D

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« Reply #9293 on: September 14, 2021, 02:17:24 pm »
At least the away support aren't vegan...

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Re: Our fantastic away support
« Reply #9294 on: September 14, 2021, 04:55:09 pm »
The last time I personally remember it being really bad was OT in 2010 in the FA Cup (Kenny’s first game back.)

Berbatov dived for a penalty and Gerrard was quite harshly sent off, all within the first 10 minutes or so. After that the Munich song was getting belted out en masse and chairs were being lobbed from the upper tier (as we had 2 tiers that day with it being an increased allocation) down to the fans below, some of which were our own fans getting hit by the chairs which outlines the level of fucking brainlessness going on there.

I do definitely think it’s improved a lot since (although I’ve not been to OT much since then) but the element still exists. The Anfield Wrap article above sums it up quite well I think, we can all do better, the media should be doing better rather than arguing over whether Ronaldo is the best player in the world or not, maybe do a bit to highlight it when fans are behaving like many were on Sunday.

Definitely agree with the point that it’s a smaller amount of our fans than the opposition, that’s always been the case, even in the example I just gave there were far more Mancs giving it the murderers stuff than our fans giving it back, it’s fucking bizarre there,  I remember getting the train back to Liverpool once after OT and it’s one of them that stops off everywhere so loads of Mancs going back to places like St. Helens and even the fucking kids were doing it with their parents looking proudly on. Weird fucking club them, but it doesn’t negate the point that we can do better and should always call it out when it goes on.

There are two incidents that spring to mind from games I've been to.

I went to OT for the FA Cup SF in '06 against Chelsea (which was at Old Trafford), we won 2-1 and went to the final but at half-time there were some of our 'fans' who smashed up the stadium concourse and vandalised the toilets with George Best/Harold Shipman graffiti. Was thoroughly embarrassing to be associated with those 'fans', needless to say. Another incident (this one was at Goodison) in the 2008 derby was when our end sang "2-0 to the murderers" after Everton fans had been singing Heysel songs and making wallpushing gestures all game long.

Both of those incidents received media coverage and those fans were fully condemned for their behaviour afterwards. Although I've been critical of our away support down the years (which, is nowhere near the level it used to be IMO but that's another debate), despite the handful of brainless idiots at Leeds I don't think our away ends are as bad as they were throughout the 90s/00s when it comes to retaliating to horrible opposition chants/singing about disasters. I'm glad that's the case, and as annoying it is that the media seem to bury their heads when it comes to Heysel/Hillsborough taunts to our supporters - we can't control that. We also cannot control what other clubs choose to do with those moronic individuals who join in with those chants; but as a TAW article pointed out, we can focus on keeping our own house in order. I totally understand why there are Liverpool fans who won't take the shite that other clubs' fans sing, a lot of them are still very hurt and bruised over what happened that day. But let's save ourselves the whataboutery and not stoop down to their level.

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Re: Our fantastic away support
« Reply #9295 on: September 14, 2021, 05:02:31 pm »
Were the best behaved supporters in the land!





















But a right shower of Bastards when we lose!

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« Reply #9296 on: September 14, 2021, 05:05:34 pm »
Were the best behaved supporters in the land!

But a right shower of Bastards when we lose!


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« Reply #9297 on: September 14, 2021, 05:35:50 pm »
The last time I personally remember it being really bad was OT in 2010 in the FA Cup (Kenny’s first game back.)

I was at that game and agree. The Harold Shipman song got a pretty good airing there as well as I recall (not the first time I'd heard it either).

What I would add is that there were plenty (particularly older fellas) who were trying their best to shut the Munich shite down.

Overall whilst I agree (from my experiences at least) that it *seems* to be a smaller number of ours, relative to what we see from other clubs coming to Anfield, and when we're on the road, but that's kinda besides the point. What can we control in this whole sorry state of affairs? Well, we can at least try to police our own and get our own house in order, and I think there's a responsibility on everyone in a Liverpool crowd, at Anfield or elsewhere, to not tolerate this kind of shite if it pops up around them. That much we can do. What we can't do is directly influence the crowds from other clubs, and therefore what doesn't help in all of this is the circular 'well they're worse than us' arguments that these always devolve into.

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Re: Our fantastic away support
« Reply #9298 on: September 14, 2021, 09:49:29 pm »
I was at that game and agree. The Harold Shipman song got a pretty good airing there as well as I recall (not the first time I'd heard it either).

What I would add is that there were plenty (particularly older fellas) who were trying their best to shut the Munich shite down.

Overall whilst I agree (from my experiences at least) that it *seems* to be a smaller number of ours, relative to what we see from other clubs coming to Anfield, and when we're on the road, but that's kinda besides the point. What can we control in this whole sorry state of affairs? Well, we can at least try to police our own and get our own house in order, and I think there's a responsibility on everyone in a Liverpool crowd, at Anfield or elsewhere, to not tolerate this kind of shite if it pops up around them. That much we can do. What we can't do is directly influence the crowds from other clubs, and therefore what doesn't help in all of this is the circular 'well they're worse than us' arguments that these always devolve into.



Was at that too but memories were of the Munich chants starting after persistent Hillsborough slurs by what seemed all corners of the ground. Not trying to justify them in anyway but everytime I've been to that shithole the vast majority of the home fans sing the Hillsborough slurs. I've never once heard a Munich chant at Anfield despite the away fans spewing that vile shit.
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Re: Our fantastic away support
« Reply #9299 on: September 14, 2021, 11:53:56 pm »
Good writeup in TAW

https://www.theanfieldwrap.com/2021/09/writing-leeds-united-liverpool-chants-media-role-analysed/?unapproved=91817&moderation-hash=8c9e54f508f527b03fca8c0f058e1d21#comment-91817

As someone who is fast approaching 50, and was lucky to escape pen 3 at Hillsborough with broken ribs and without a shoe, I have to say I could not have written this article any better myself. Spot on.  Years ago, hearing Hillsborough jibes hurt me as much as the man described.

I was there at Leeds last weekend. I too miss the edge of going to a game like I used to.  The game has become all too sanitised now hasn't it?  But it was unexpected to hear it from Leeds fans.   The Stone Island clad wearing 20 - 30 year olds, mixed with a few oldies, just seem to want to be vile because they deem that as a good day out, goading the "Scouse #*@$%" and getting a reaction.  It just reminded me so much of Millwall away that night in the cup. And that's what they want; they want the infamy.  They want to go back to the pub, share their videos from their mobile phones of the reaction to their songs.  They have no care or feeling to anything because as with a lot of the coked up feral youth of today, they think that everything they do has no consequence.

And lets face it, opposition fans don't have any consequence to singing Hillsborough songs do they? 

But like the original poster Karl mentioned, "sticks and stones and all that".  Lets face it, neutrals could perhaps justify it from Man United fans, due to their issue that many Liverpool fans spent the majority of the late 70's and 80's goading them about Munich each time we played them, then stopped after Hillsborough. Yes they responded with Shankly 81 songs so it was a tit for tat,  but what did you expect in that era? I remember the United Road paddock, the first time we played them at Old Trafford after Hillsborough.  "Where's yer famous Munich song" was followed up with "You're just a bunch of w*#kers".

Do you know what annoyed them the most that day?  Our response was a really loud rendition of You'll Never Walk Alone.   They couldn't react to it and just booed.

We need to learn as a home and away fanbase, all you need to do to when reacting to these vile songs heading our way is to sing You'll Never Walk Alone.  They have no answer to it.  Yes the media should/could highlight these vile goading, however I wont hold my breathe.  There is a section of our support that want the opportunity to react with two wrongs trying to make a right.  I don't think that will ever go.

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Re: Our fantastic away support
« Reply #9300 on: September 15, 2021, 12:11:50 am »
As someone who is fast approaching 50, and was lucky to escape pen 3 at Hillsborough with broken ribs and without a shoe, I have to say I could not have written this art

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Re: Our fantastic away support
« Reply #9301 on: September 15, 2021, 09:24:41 am »


Do you know what annoyed them the most that day?  Our response was a really loud rendition of You'll Never Walk Alone.   They couldn't react to it and just booed.



Great post. It's always amusing to see a load of bad wools, somehow offended at a Gerry Marsden song from the 60s.

The very simple, "Who the fuking ell are you?" also seemed to get a reaction from them, still upset over the 75 Euro final  ;D

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Re: Our fantastic away support
« Reply #9302 on: September 15, 2021, 09:30:34 am »
Do you know what annoyed them the most that day?  Our response was a really loud rendition of You'll Never Walk Alone.   They couldn't react to it and just booed.

We need to learn as a home and away fanbase, all you need to do to when reacting to these vile songs heading our way is to sing You'll Never Walk Alone.  They have no answer to it.

Great post and couldn't agree more with this.
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« Reply #9303 on: September 15, 2021, 09:54:13 am »
I was there at Leeds last weekend. I too miss the edge of going to a game like I used to.  The game has become all too sanitised now hasn't it?  But it was unexpected to hear it from Leeds fans.   The Stone Island clad wearing 20 - 30 year olds, mixed with a few oldies, just seem to want to be vile because they deem that as a good day out, goading the "Scouse #*@$%" and getting a reaction.  It just reminded me so much of Millwall away that night in the cup. And that's what they want; they want the infamy.  They want to go back to the pub, share their videos from their mobile phones of the reaction to their songs.  They have no care or feeling to anything because as with a lot of the coked up feral youth of today, they think that everything they do has no consequence.

Agree with that and we don't want it sanitised. An edgy atmosphere (post 80s anyway) is more a wall of noise, getting at the ref, intimidating the away team. You still get that at Anfield, particularly a big European night. To be fair some take that too far as well (attacking the Madrid bus last season or the City incident we still haven't lived down).

The problem with the English crowd these days is being edgy is just being a twat, they act like they're on Twitter when they're at the game. I've been to Elland Road when it's been a wall of noise and that's intimidating for the away side. Nowadays it's just how can we be as obnoxious as possible? And it stands to reason some ketwigged, coked up scals will take the bait and react. It's no longer how can we get to the away team, it's 'how can we piss off the away fans'?

Look at the England fans in the Euros final. Even though most got in the ground in the end, they weren't interested in actually creating a wall of noise in the ground, and make a difference, they just wanted to act like feral twats and take drugs and be a Lad Bible meme.


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« Reply #9304 on: September 15, 2021, 10:32:17 am »
Was at that too but memories were of the Munich chants starting after persistent Hillsborough slurs by what seemed all corners of the ground. Not trying to justify them in anyway but everytime I've been to that shithole the vast majority of the home fans sing the Hillsborough slurs. I've never once heard a Munich chant at Anfield despite the away fans spewing that vile shit.

The 80's was really bad for this, there was the straight up Munich chant and about 3 other songs that got aired a lot. I've mentioned them singing about Hillsborough to my wife and other Mancs and as they've said, we gave them loads about Munich down the years, what did we expect would happen? Not justifying it, but its the tit for tat mentality that carries the shite on. Football still has a lot of knuckle draggers going the game.
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« Reply #9305 on: September 15, 2021, 11:59:34 am »
The 80's was really bad for this, there was the straight up Munich chant and about 3 other songs that got aired a lot. I've mentioned them singing about Hillsborough to my wife and other Mancs and as they've said, we gave them loads about Munich down the years, what did we expect would happen? Not justifying it, but its the tit for tat mentality that carries the shite on. Football still has a lot of knuckle draggers going the game.

Thats it, and all clubs have them, though there may be an argument that some have more than others..jeering and mocking others using the deaths of innocent people should never happen in any club, or any walk of life..best people can do is make sure they don't do it, and try to make it, through unity with like minded people harder and harder for those that do to continue..same as racism.
The more in a group (like a fanbase) that stop these chants, the less likely those that still do would be heard, or accepted..
Club values, which are extended by the fans..
And with Liverpool our empathy through the tragedies of the past is always strong... The outpouring for Sean Cox was really inspiring from the club and the fans...I live in Ireland, and that was on every paper and news show, it made me so proud to be a Liverpool fan, look after our own, and care for each other...that never justifies saying horrible things to others of their losses, it in fact undermines our values as people, and as a fanbase, we're better than that..
Thats what we are about really, fuck the dickheads...
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« Reply #9306 on: September 15, 2021, 12:15:45 pm »

And with Liverpool our empathy through the tragedies of the past is always strong... The outpouring for Sean Cox was really inspiring from the club and the fans...I live in Ireland, and that was on every paper and news show, it made me so proud to be a Liverpool fan, look after our own, and care for each other...that never justifies saying horrible things to others of their losses, it in fact undermines our values as people, and as a fanbase, we're better than that..
Thats what we are about really, fuck the dickheads...

And, sadly, City layers celebrated winning the PL by mimicing their fans and singing a song which referenced Sean Cox being assaulted.

Sometime football rivalries bring out the savagery in people.

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« Reply #9307 on: September 15, 2021, 12:46:17 pm »
And, sadly, City layers celebrated winning the PL by mimicing their fans and singing a song which referenced Sean Cox being assaulted.

Sometime football rivalries bring out the savagery in people.

Yeah on the plane, I remember, Seans brother chose to accept it wasnt intended to reference his brother, but the song is the same, and no problem belting out the words victims, and injury to salah, and we all know that the hillsborough sentiment is there, sure the dog in the street knows..
classless, the definition of classless... values are loose when the foundation of something is built on status, vanity, and greed.. you would think the individuals would know better, or even one to say.. hold on here..
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Re: Our fantastic away support
« Reply #9308 on: September 15, 2021, 01:38:49 pm »
The 80's was really bad for this, there was the straight up Munich chant and about 3 other songs that got aired a lot. I've mentioned them singing about Hillsborough to my wife and other Mancs and as they've said, we gave them loads about Munich down the years, what did we expect would happen? Not justifying it, but its the tit for tat mentality that carries the shite on. Football still has a lot of knuckle draggers going the game.
Yes, it was open season over Munich back then. Those were times when you genuinely took your life in your hands going to the match. They were quite brutal, unenlightened times with no quarter given or asked for.

I hope I've developed into a genuine and decent person, but I routinely sung Munich songs when I was younger. At the match, in pubs in town on nights out, in taxis with mates going for a night out. Munich 58 was  graffitied all over the city and beyond. I once saw the entire lyric of a Munich song written out in marker pen on a shelter window at Bache railway station on the line to Chester. Grim stuff. We were just one of many too. Everton, Man City, Leeds and many, many more were notorious for routinely wheeling out Munich taunts. Everton were the only ones I ever saw unfurl a Munich 58 banner at OT though. We'd throw hundreds of paper aeroplanes at them from the scoreboard end though.

In return, they gleefully ran with Shankly 81 taunts, graffiti and banners after we lost the great man. Look at their banner in the Park End when we played United in the cup at Goodison in '85. I also saw Shankly 81 stuff sprayed on walls as far away from Manchester as Blackpool back then.

For some reason, at some point in time, it became somehow acceptable to taunt people over their grief. My dad always told me that United gained a lot of their wider support after and because of Munich. Back then, the country and the city of Liverpool alike stood with them and supported them. Many in the country adopted United there and then as their team. There was no glee over their tragic loss and their grief. I've no idea how or why that changed, but society shifted, and by the late 70s and especially the 80s it was open season, gloves off brutality, both verbal and physical. In my first game at Anfield in 1971 I was in the Anny Road End with loads of unsegregated Mancs around us. No apparent malice and no violence. Somehow, it went from that to people ending up with darts in their faces and taunts over tragedies in a relatively short span of years. I grew up through that, so saw what went on as normal. Few, if any, questioned it from what I remember. Football rivalry at the time became savage and brutal.

I think the Mancs were always going to seize on anything they could use against those who mocked them over Munich. Human nature sort of dictates this. Yes, they could have claimed the moral high ground over chanting songs revelling in death, but the temptation to reply in kind proved far too much for them.

The irony these days is that we live in far more enlightened times, and people know better, yet act just as stupidly. There is no excuse for that. Sadly, despite the far more enlightened times, there are still far too many knuckle-draggers in society who also follow football.

I'm now with those advocating standing our ground and singing our own songs about our fantastic club and its history in the face of the repugnant shite certain opposition morons indulge in. I know, it's easy to say this sat here while it's not ringing in my ears, but we can rise well above it.

I remember not too long after Hillsborough. A night match at Old Trafford. I was sat on a barrier right by the divide between us and them. They were singing " That day in Sheffield, you killed your own fans..." Honestly, I just looked at them and thought, you sad, sad bastards. They looked and sounded like vacant, brainless morons who know nothing and have lived all those years and learned nothing. They outed their own shortfalls and basic, human inadequacies.

I'm a lot older now. Hopefully wiser and more mature. Sometimes, I think it wise to just stand back at let others out themselves for what they are. There's no need to reply in kind. Just stand back, point at the fuckers, and let them disgrace themselves for all to see.

They want reaction. So don't give them the reaction they crave. Do what we do best. Sing our own songs about our own club and its glorious history. The reality is, these pricks cannot touch us. Their moronic behaviour outs only themselves for what they are. Just let them disgrace and shame themselves while we rise well above it and support this amazing club and fabulous manager.



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« Reply #9309 on: September 15, 2021, 02:07:17 pm »
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The irony these days is that we live in far more enlightened times, and people know better, yet act just as stupidly. There is no excuse for that. Sadly, despite the far more enlightened times, there are still far too many knuckle-draggers in society who also follow football.

I'm now with those advocating standing our ground and singing our own songs about our fantastic club and its history in the face of the repugnant shite certain opposition morons indulge in. I know, it's easy to say this sat here while it's not ringing in my ears, but we can rise well above it.
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great post, wont quote it all but thats brilliant..
could only imagine what it was like in the 80s i was only a kid...
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« Reply #9310 on: September 15, 2021, 02:28:20 pm »
Yeah on the plane, I remember, Seans brother chose to accept it wasnt intended to reference his brother, but the song is the same, and no problem belting out the words victims, and injury to salah, and we all know that the hillsborough sentiment is there, sure the dog in the street knows..
classless, the definition of classless... values are loose when the foundation of something is built on status, vanity, and greed.. you would think the individuals would know better, or even one to say.. hold on here..
Thats why I hope I never see our team (and I really believe we wont), do anything like that...

I would imagine that the City players were almost certainly not singing it with Sean Cox in mind, it was just classless shite singing about us and copying a song from the stands.

Of course the wider point is if the club/media actually stamped out this shite (as the fans certainly were signing with with Sean Cox in mind) then the players would be aware of it and would sing something else equally shite but without connotations of a supporter who suffered life changing injuries attending a football match.

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« Reply #9311 on: September 15, 2021, 02:43:36 pm »
I would imagine that the City players were almost certainly not singing it with Sean Cox in mind, it was just classless shite singing about us and copying a song from the stands.

Of course the wider point is if the club/media actually stamped out this shite (as the fans certainly were signing with with Sean Cox in mind) then the players would be aware of it and would sing something else equally shite but without connotations of a supporter who suffered life changing injuries attending a football match.

I think a lot of that sits with the senior pros.

There’s no way the likes of Hendo or Milner would let that go on with our players if there was an equivalent song sung by our supporters.


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« Reply #9312 on: September 15, 2021, 06:46:04 pm »
great post, wont quote it all but thats brilliant..
could only imagine what it was like in the 80s i was only a kid...


It was mental, bricks, bottles, darts, sharpened coins, stanley knives were all used.

I always remember one game in Nov 79 v Spurs, I was almost 13, our kid was 10, first time I'd been really scared at the match. We were in the Anny Rd North and you could see the sharpened coins glinting in the floodlights as the Spurs mob launched them at people in the Kemlyn. When we got out we walked towards the Arkles, the Police had a horse against the gate and the Spurs lot were trying to get out, you could see the gate opening then banging shut. The Anny Rd was jam packed. We were down near Priory Road when they got out and you could hear it going off.
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« Reply #9313 on: September 15, 2021, 06:46:37 pm »
They want reaction. So don't give them the reaction they crave. Do what we do best. Sing our own songs about our own club and its glorious history. The reality is, these pricks cannot touch us. Their moronic behaviour outs only themselves for what they are. Just let them disgrace and shame themselves while we rise well above it and support this amazing club and fabulous manager.

Great post. I´m young enough that I was not alive in those dark days, but hear hear to that!


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« Reply #9314 on: September 16, 2021, 08:18:34 am »
Good post SoS. Same as you I sang Munich songs in the 80's, (they may have actually started late 70's I think.) It's just what we did, doesn't make it right I  know but it was sung with gusto in pubs, at the games and especially at OT.

It stopped after Hillsborough, it had to.....like the racism from our fans stopped after we signed John Barnes.

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« Reply #9315 on: September 16, 2021, 08:25:37 am »
I remember not too long after Hillsborough. A night match at Old Trafford. I was sat on a barrier right by the divide between us and them. They were singing " That day in Sheffield, you killed your own fans..." Honestly, I just looked at them and thought, you sad, sad bastards. They looked and sounded like vacant, brainless morons who know nothing and have lived all those years and learned nothing. They outed their own shortfalls and basic, human inadequacies.

I'm a lot older now. Hopefully wiser and more mature. Sometimes, I think it wise to just stand back at let others out themselves for what they are. There's no need to reply in kind. Just stand back, point at the fuckers, and let them disgrace themselves for all to see.

They want reaction. So don't give them the reaction they crave. Do what we do best. Sing our own songs about our own club and its glorious history. The reality is, these pricks cannot touch us. Their moronic behaviour outs only themselves for what they are. Just let them disgrace and shame themselves while we rise well above it and support this amazing club and fabulous manager.

Do you know what year that was? I always thought United waited a while to really bring out Hillsborough as an insult.

I remember around late 90s/early 2000s at Anfield when they'd get the tannoy announcement over persistent standing they'd chant back "if it wasn't for the Scousers we could stand".

First time I heard the 'killed your own fans' chant was in 05/06, particularly in the FA Cup game. Istanbul really got to them.

I wonder 30 years later whether these fans chanting about Hillsborough now don't realise that many in our end will have been there, or lost someone close. If they do, then where's their humanity?
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« Reply #9316 on: September 16, 2021, 08:35:58 am »
Do you know what year that was? I always thought United waited a while to really bring out Hillsborough as an insult.

I remember around late 90s/early 2000s at Anfield when they'd get the tannoy announcement over persistent standing they'd chant back "if it wasn't for the Scousers we could stand".

First time I heard the 'killed your own fans' chant was in 05/06, particularly in the FA Cup game. Istanbul really got to them.

I wonder 30 years later whether these fans chanting about Hillsborough now don't realise that many in our end will have been there, or lost someone close. If they do, then where's their humanity?

We played them away in night matches in 93/94 (lost 1-0 to an Ince goal) and early in 98/99 (lost 2-0) and I remember the latter one being a bit nasty I think.

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« Reply #9317 on: September 16, 2021, 12:22:05 pm »
Do you know what year that was? I always thought United waited a while to really bring out Hillsborough as an insult.

I remember around late 90s/early 2000s at Anfield when they'd get the tannoy announcement over persistent standing they'd chant back "if it wasn't for the Scousers we could stand".

First time I heard the 'killed your own fans' chant was in 05/06, particularly in the FA Cup game. Istanbul really got to them.

I wonder 30 years later whether these fans chanting about Hillsborough now don't realise that many in our end will have been there, or lost someone close. If they do, then where's their humanity?
Yes, it was a League Cup game in October 1990. We took around 12,000 there that night. We lost 3-1.

They also did the hands over the face gesture to simulate being crushed against the fence.

Humanity? I always found that in short supply at OT whenever I've been there.
That's a shame too, because they have some decent fans. I remember plenty of them lined up outside Anfield wearing their colours waiting to go into the ground to lay flowers on the pitch in the aftermath of Hillsborough.
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« Reply #9318 on: September 16, 2021, 12:41:27 pm »
Good post SoS. Same as you I sang Munich songs in the 80's, (they may have actually started late 70's I think.) It's just what we did, doesn't make it right I  know but it was sung with gusto in pubs, at the games and especially at OT.

It stopped after Hillsborough, it had to.....like the racism from our fans stopped after we signed John Barnes.
Looking back, it's all quite horrifying, but context helps explain it a little. It was of its time. We have to remember that those times weren't very enlightened. We had open racism, sexism and all manner discriminatory content pumped out on prime time television back then. All those things were seen as normal. Society as a whole was very, very different. That doesn't make it right, but it goes some way to explain just how rife these things were back then.

The signing of the great John Barnes and the Hillsborough disaster forced our own fanbase to grow up very quickly and enter a more enlightened time. Many of us looked at previous actions and mindsets with fresh eyes.
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« Reply #9319 on: September 16, 2021, 01:33:19 pm »
The signing of the great John Barnes and the Hillsborough disaster forced our own fanbase to grow up very quickly and enter a more enlightened time. Many of us looked at previous actions and mindsets with fresh eyes.

When you think that it took such an awful thing for our fan base to realise that the Munich chants were wrong, what will it take for others fan bases to realise that things like this aren’t ok? You wouldn’t wish such an awful thing to happen to anyone else ever again, I just don’t see other fan bases changing. Look at Leeds, they tragically lost 2 fans in Turkey, but they still think it’s ok to chant vile stuff at us. I have a friend who supports Cardiff and when Leeds turned up to theirs they were belting out Aberfan chants in relation to a non related football disaster, I mean WTF.

I often think that the media and press is to blame. We were tarnished in the press for so many years and people believed it, it doesn’t matter if you’re innocent or guilty, mud sticks. We don’t need reminded how the scum portrayed us, but from what I remember with the Leeds fans in Turkey there was never any mention of them smashing up the shops and brawling, it was just about the stabbings. You can bet if that is Liverpool fans it would have been painted a different picture. Look at Barca away, one idiot throws a local in the fountain and that’s what’s plastered all over the press and labelled racists, doesn’t matter about the 1000’s other good natured fans.

It’s a sad state of affairs but others won’t change, as people have mentioned before when these vile chants are directed towards us, we just have to belt out YNWA to them as that pisses them off, it’s the best response that we can give. Some of our fans still need educated about this and to do away with the Munich chants etc.

It’s better to be the better person and not sink to the sewer levels of other fan bases.