Topic: Roberto Firmino

[Ghost Town]

Oh fuck, the 'who's a Big Club?' debates have started. Please, please, bring the football back now! Please!

[deFacto please, you bastards]

For example, you have Juve with 30 plus League Titles, but only 3 European Cups/CLs, whereas Milan has 18 League Titles but 7 European Cups/CLs. Forget 'right now'. Who is the bigger club overall? I don't think it's as straight forward as you say in terms of dismissing Milan, even though they have been failures recently.

Overall Milan are, but since we're talking about players moving and going, their current status in most players eyes is more important than overall stature.

Yes, that's more than what Milan did, but frankly, before we won the CL last season, we had won 1 League Cup in 8 years, so would you have had us as a smaller club than United and Juve at that time? I wouldn't have, overall, even if we had blips at that time. Were Leicester a bigger club than Liverpool before we won CL last season, because they won the League/a major trophy more recently than us?

I wouldn't have us lower than the Mancs, but most players would [not including Klopps time], given their dominance, given what they've achieved [despite our triumphs in Europe,etc.]

No Leicester of course aren't a bigger club, we've still had success in the last decade [when Leicester won it in 2015, the last ten years of that saw us win a European Cup, and get to another final, and challenge for the league multiple times in that period despite being a mess in between that].

I'm purely talking from a players perspective.

Top top players aren't going to Milan. There's nothing that would lure them that way. No world class players, no world class manager, nothing positive what so ever in recent years.

[PoetryInMotion]

Overall Milan are, but since we're talking about players moving and going, their current status in most players eyes is more important than overall stature.

I wouldn't have us lower than the Mancs, but most players would [not including Klopps time], given their dominance, given what they've achieved [despite our triumphs in Europe,etc.]

No Leicester of course aren't a bigger club, we've still had success in the last decade [when Leicester won it in 2015, the last ten years of that saw us win a European Cup, and get to another final, and challenge for the league multiple times in that period despite being a mess in between that].

I'm purely talking from a players perspective.

Top top players aren't going to Milan. There's nothing that would lure them that way. No world class players, no world class manager, nothing positive what so ever in recent years.

Oh from players' perspective as a proposition, I completely agree with you. I was just bringing a bit of bigger picture into it 

[deFacto please, you bastards]

Oh from players' perspective as a proposition, I completely agree with you. I was just bringing a bit of bigger picture into it 

In terms of overall and how you've described it in general I agree entirely. I really want us to equal Milan's EC's.

[Alan_X]

Correct. Edwards has a history of selling our players, so it's just a matter of whether the story is plausible or not given our past record. If the story is about selling Firmino for 200m, there's a real danger that it might be true. Especially if there's another 50m of add ons based on whether or not Bayern win the Bundesliga. If Edwards decides to push for it, we may even claim the soul of Kimmich's firstborn.

That's a strange statement. He has a history of buying players the players we need and renewing their contracts to keep them here long term. He's been doing this to give Klopp a tight, coordinated squad with high camaraderie and morale. He's also built up a history of selling players we don't need for really good fees.

The idea that he's sitting there just waiting for a decent bid to offload our best players is ridiculous.

[Sangria]

That's a strange statement. He has a history of buying players the players we need and renewing their contracts to keep them here long term. He's been doing this to give Klopp a tight, coordinated squad with high camaraderie and morale. He's also built up a history of selling players we don't need for really good fees.

The idea that he's sitting there just waiting for a decent bid to offload our best players is ridiculous.

I'd have thought that anyone reading the post through to the end would have got the point that my post wasn't serious (the soul of Kimmich's firstborn?). If the story had any legs whatsoever, the fee would be something in the region of ridiculous, as I'm alluding to.

[rebel23]

I'd have thought that anyone reading the post through to the end would have got the point that my post wasn't serious (the soul of Kimmich's firstborn?). If the story had any legs whatsoever, the fee would be something in the region of ridiculous, as I'm alluding to.

You should include /sarcasm tags. Sometimes its difficult to discern

[aussie_ox]

Who has Edwards sold?

The rest is just bullshit, even entertaining the rumour. The price is bullshit, the idea we'd sell one of our key players is bullshit, the idea the s*n would be privy to anything we're doing is bullshit. The idea that Bobby is anywhere other than at his peak is bullshit. The idea he'd be valued at a meagre 75m is bullshit.

It's laughable because Bayern aren't going to spend 200m on anyone.   And there is zero percent chance we'd even consider 75m at this stage of Firmino's career.


Bayern are welcome to try in 2024 after Bobby has won 3 leagues and 3 CLs.    75m seems a fair price then.

[scutty]

I just don't worry about loosing players to other clubs anymore.

If heads are being turned, it's in Anfield's direction.




P. S.

75m for Bobby 

[Filler.]

Over my dead fucking body.

[thejbs]

75m gets you a want-away Lukaku.  It does not get you a unique attacking player in his prime from arguably the best side in the world.

[smurfinaus]

One of my favorite players. Do you reckon they will try and find a Bobby lite or /adapt someone to his type of role in the future? (people talking how Taka has bobby attributes etc)

[mercury]

Players come, players go.

Having said that, love Bobby.  Can't see the Club selling him on this season unless there's a better or younger player to purchase, otherwise it's not worth  -  not the right time really -- breaking up the front three when the current squad is peaking.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

He can play for many years to come at a high level if he stays clear of injuries which he has for the entirety of his career. His game isn't dependent on bursts,pace, so even as he gets in age, I see no reason to move him on unless his performance levels drop dramatically. But that doesn't necessarily happen just because you age.

[ToneLa]

I'd sell him for, ooh, £756bn

[rebel23]

He can play for many years to come at a high level if he stays clear of injuries which he has for the entirety of his career.

 Bobby is very resilient. I don't recall him being injured for us?

[elbow]

Its. The. Fucking. Rag.

Stop giving this shit any credence, FFS!

[LovelyCushionedHeader]

Bobby is very resilient. I don't recall him being injured for us?

Missed a few games at the end of last season, including both games against Barcelona. Probably shouldn't have played in the final.

[rebel23]

Missed a few games at the end of last season, including both games against Barcelona. Probably shouldn't have played in the final.

How can I forget the Barce game

Overall though his injury record is fantastic.

[BCCC]

£75M doesn't even buy his first touch.

[scutty]

Its. The. Fucking. Rag.

Stop giving this shit any credence, FFS!

If I was you, I would stop expecting any better.

It looks like it really effects you.

[Lofty Ambitions]

I'd sell him for, ooh, £756bn

£756bn + £1, to be exact.

[Ghost Town]

If I was you, I would stop expecting any better.

It looks like it really effects you.

WTF? It's not unreasonable for a Liverpool forum to expect its members to NOT discuss shite from that fucking rag

[djphal]

Are people still discussing a story from the s*n newspaper? 

[Red Beret]

If I was you, I would stop expecting any better.

It looks like it really effects you.

You're new here, aren't you?

[scutty]

WTF? It's not unreasonable for a Liverpool forum to expect its members to NOT discuss shite from that fucking rag

Didn't know that it came from the s*n.

My hands are up, sorry.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

Didn't know that it came from the s*n.

My hands are up, sorry.

we kept saying, the scum, the rag,etc.. over and over again mate, but no worries.

[Trendisnotdestiny]

Not to get too crazy but the Danny Murphy shite really pissed me off... It made me think what game is he watching where he thinks of our front, that Bobby is the most replaceable.

Then, I wondered if this wasn't a pisstake.  Either it was or he just does not get it.

However, I do wonder if FSG could use this kind of stupidity to secretly increase his wages and change his role within the team (by pretending to put him on the market as a forward)
And we go and get an Mbappe or Sancho or #9 --- but then play Firmino right in behind the trident and change up the entire dynamic a bit.

Bobby can play just about anywhere --- and it would change his role, but its something in his wheelhouse, plus we could get another big time, younger player up front (if Coutinho had stayed; Bobby takes on this forward role while pressing in different spaces)

Just a thought as the red came to face in seeing an article by Murphy suggest the one who is expendable of our front three is the my favorite field player on the team

[RedForeverTT]

75m gets you a want-away Lukaku.  It does not get you a unique attacking player in his prime from arguably the best side in the world.

It could but it could also be a hit and miss.

There are no ready made Bobby out there. If we do not have Bobby, we would have to play differently or we would need to mould some players into one.

[jonnypb]

Can we forget about the transfer talk of Bobby and just dwell on how good a player this guy is.  When Bobby, Mane and Salah are all on fire, then there's no better front 3 in the world.

What this guy does is truly amazing, so hard working, unselfish and his no look finishes are something else.

Why would he want to leave this great club?  He's playing for the best team in Europe/World right now and he's going to achieve even greater things with this club.  His family seem settled here and it must help immensely having the other Brazilians here as well.  If you're playing well, winning trophies and have a settled and happy family you ain't gonna want to move.

I'm sure people have taken note of what happened to Phil and Emre when they left for what they thought were pastures new.  Players can become legends here and be adored, or they can go elsewhere and be a nobody.

[PoetryInMotion]

Not to get too crazy but the Danny Murphy shite really pissed me off... It made me think what game is he watching where he thinks of our front, that Bobby is the most replaceable.

Then, I wondered if this wasn't a pisstake.  Either it was or he just does not get it.

However, I do wonder if FSG could use this kind of stupidity to secretly increase his wages and change his role within the team (by pretending to put him on the market as a forward)
And we go and get an Mbappe or Sancho or #9 --- but then play Firmino right in behind the trident and change up the entire dynamic a bit.

Bobby can play just about anywhere --- and it would change his role, but its something in his wheelhouse, plus we could get another big time, younger player up front (if Coutinho had stayed; Bobby takes on this forward role while pressing in different spaces)

Just a thought as the red came to face in seeing an article by Murphy suggest the one who is expendable of our front three is the my favorite field player on the team

If we get a goalscoring forward like Werner, the most obvious and correct thing to do (which is what I believe we will do) is play Bobby behind Werner. Salah is our 'striker' and Bobby is the playmaker/support striker hybrid - this is for all the ignorant pundits who compare other strikers with him or talk about his scoring record. If we get Werner, there will simply be a formation change with a slight tweak to Salah's role, Bobby will still play the same way and if any ignorant pundit thinks we are replacing Bobby, they are just that, ignorant, clueless and deluded.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

If we get a goalscoring forward like Werner, the most obvious and correct thing to do (which is what I believe we will do) is play Bobby behind Werner. Salah is our 'striker' and Bobby is the playmaker/support striker hybrid - this is for all the ignorant pundits who compare other strikers with him or talk about his scoring record. If we get Werner, there will simply be a formation change with a slight tweak to Salah's role, Bobby will still play the same way and if any ignorant pundit thinks we are replacing Bobby, they are just that, ignorant, clueless and deluded.

Yes, but not for all games, because that would mean dropping one of the midfielders consistently

[PoetryInMotion]

Yes, but not for all games, because that would mean dropping one of the midfielders consistently

Yeah, we're flexible enough to make adjustments within games, let alone different games. More options, more possibilities.

My point is there is no way we're replacing Bobby as he plays behind the striker now and he will play behind the striker even if we sign another forward. It was for those pundits & opposition fans who think he is a No. 9 (the only thing that is No. 9 is his shirt number) and should be scoring more. He is not a No. 9, striker, CF or any of those kinds, not sure why it is so hard for them to figure this out.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

Yeah, we're flexible enough to make adjustments within games, let alone different games. More options, more possibilities.

My point is there is no way we're replacing Bobby as he plays behind the striker now and he will play behind the striker even if we sign another forward. It was for those pundits & opposition fans who think he is a No. 9 (the only thing that is No. 9 is his shirt number) and should be scoring more. He is not a No. 9, striker, CF or any of those kinds, not sure why it is so hard for them to figure this out.

I agree entirely

[Trendisnotdestiny]

Well out lads... Agree with both of you.  Werner would be the cheapest option, but there is something in me (not my most intelligent part) that wants to see this:



                                          Salah                                                                                                      Werner
                   Mane                                      Mbappe                    or                    Mane                                                    Salah

                                       Firmino                                                                                                     Firmino


                          Henderson       Fabinho

Robertson                                                         TAA

                            Van Dijk       Gomez



                                     Alisson


*** great point about Firmino in the midfield DeFacto (you want versatility, rotation and consistency -- not easy throughout a season)

[RedSamba]

filth

https://twitter.com/i/status/1228737324642717696

[Samie]

Bobby nearly did a Bergkamp. 

[rafathegaffa83]

First half performance was filthy

[Magix]

Bobby, stop, those defenders have families!

[Zlen]

Ref really fucked up his game today. He could have set up three goals if that bastard didn’t give Norwich a foul for every contact.