Topic: Roberto Firmino

[lgvkarlos]

Less than kepa and Maguire 🤔.  😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Just a Bayern wet dream.

[rodderzzz]

The thing people dont factor in also is Firmino, Fabinho and Allison's wives are all best buddies, they're hanging out together everyday and Fabinho and Firmino just went on holiday together on their breaks to the Maldives. They don't factor in that selling Firmino would disrupt the other Brazilians in the squad, it goes way beyond the individual more than most players

[lgvkarlos]

The thing people dont factor in also is Firmino, Fabinho and Allison's wives are all best buddies, they're hanging out together everyday and Fabinho and Firmino just went on holiday together on their breaks to the Maldives. They don't factor in that selling Firmino would disrupt the other Brazilians in the squad, it goes way beyond the individual more than most players

Absolutely.
His smile and happy demeanor are infectious, you can see Mane loves him.
My favourite player and wouldn't sell him for 200m

[Samie]

I can see why Timo Werner has been linked to us. He's not a direct Bobby replacement but if he were to come here then I can see Kloppo start to phase out Bobby in the next couple of years anyway.

[Sharado]

I can see why Timo Werner has been linked to us. He's not a direct Bobby replacement but if he were to come here then I can see Kloppo start to phase out Bobby in the next couple of years anyway.

Werner is more Mane/Mo than Bobby in what I've seen and heard of him. For what it's worth Minamino played more of a bobby role against everton at home.

All a moot point as there's more chance of me getting a move to Bayern than us selling Bobby.

[reddebs]

FSG view players purely as assets. If you try to view it through their lens then the prime candidates for selling will be players who are pushing 30 and who can still command a massive fee in the market. The edge that Liverpool have is that they evaluate player value better than everyone else. That's how they've 'won' the last 5 years in the market, it would be stupid to stop now.

Of the core group on our first team, Bobby is probably the most likely candidate. The alternative is you let them play until 32-33, but then you're not going to get anywhere near the value for them in the market and where do you get your capital from to purchase the next Firmino?

We get it by selling players we have no use or need for, not by selling our star players or regular starters.



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[rebel23]

Werner is more Mane/Mo than Bobby in what I've seen and heard of him. For what it's worth Minamino played more of a bobby role against everton at home.

All a moot point as there's more chance of me getting a move to Bayern than us selling Bobby.

Werner starts on the left for RB so you're right.  He can cover any position that's why he's on the radar. The problem is does he want to come here and wait his turn or will he go somewhere where he's a guaranteed starter.

[CHOPPER]

See ye Senor'

Devo'd. FSG - Fuckin Soft Gets. Monkeyballs me arse.

[TomDcs]

Werner starts on the left for RB so you're right.  He can cover any position that's why he's on the radar. The problem is does he want to come here and wait his turn or will he go somewhere where he's a guaranteed starter.

Personally I think we are now becoming one of the destination clubs in world football. Add to that the fact that Klopp is more and more showing how much he values the squad, if he wants to sign a player you can be pretty sure he sees an important role for them (and even more sure he will be able to sell that to them).

Whoever we sign in the midfield and attacking positions (to add to Minamino) over the next year or so, I’m sure the plan will unfold. Be that one of the front 3 leaving in the summer or the year later, a new player getting (another) extended introduction to the team, a tweak to the system or formation, I honestly have never felt less concerned about the names of the players we are linked with. Werner, Mbappe, Havertz, whoever... Klopp is here for a long time and I trust that whatever decisions he makes it’ll be for the benefit of the club.

[Passmaster Molby]

Think it's fair to say at a paltry £75 million, they won't be Bayern Bobby off us any time soon.

[Onward Liverpudlian]

Oh God! I really hope the newspapers are wrong. First Van Dijk (Apparantly off to Juventus) and now Bobby off to Bayern.

They must hate being English, European and World Champions after years of not being those things.

[IanZG]

Oh God! I really hope the newspapers are wrong. First Van Dijk (Apparantly off to Juventus) and now Bobby off to Bayern.

They must hate being English, European and World Champions after years of not being those things.

They're making it up. Even if we were thinking of selling him (we aren't), there's no club in the world which would invest as much as we'd want for him. Bobby is a special player, but he's not easy to incorporate into an existing team, it took us years to get the best out of him, it wouldn't be the case of "oh we'll sign Bobby and he'll play at the level he played with Mo and Mane". And he'd be 29 by the time next season starts. It would make no sense for us to sell him, as it wouldn't for other clubs to spend as much to buy him.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

Oh God! I really hope the newspapers are wrong. First Van Dijk (Apparantly off to Juventus) and now Bobby off to Bayern.

They must hate being English, European and World Champions after years of not being those things.

It's from the scum, of course it's wrong.

[rebel23]

, I honestly have never felt less concerned about the names of the players we are linked with. Werner, Mbappe, Havertz, whoever... Klopp is here for a long time and I trust that whatever decisions he makes it’ll be for the benefit of the club.

100% agree.  Though remember Klopp isn't the only decision maker when it comes to signings. We have Edwards the sporting director and a team of analytics specialists who will no doubt run the numbers on all these players and vet them.  They haven't done a bad job so far so I think they have earned supporters trust.

[Andy82lfc]

And people wonder how those vile, shit rags still sell in such big numbers.

[Sangria]

100% agree.  Though remember Klopp isn't the only decision maker when it comes to signings. We have Edwards the sporting director and a team of analytics specialists who will no doubt run the numbers on all these players and vet them.  They haven't done a bad job so far so I think they have earned supporters trust.

Correct. Edwards has a history of selling our players, so it's just a matter of whether the story is plausible or not given our past record. If the story is about selling Firmino for 200m, there's a real danger that it might be true. Especially if there's another 50m of add ons based on whether or not Bayern win the Bundesliga. If Edwards decides to push for it, we may even claim the soul of Kimmich's firstborn.

[S]

When it comes to our Brazilian players, the two Spanish giants have always worried me more than German ones. Barca in particular are seen as the ultimate destination for some South American players, always have been.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

Correct. Edwards has a history of selling our players, so it's just a matter of whether the story is plausible or not given our past record. If the story is about selling Firmino for 200m, there's a real danger that it might be true. Especially if there's another 50m of add ons based on whether or not Bayern win the Bundesliga. If Edwards decides to push for it, we may even claim the soul of Kimmich's firstborn.

Edwards hasn't sold any player that didn't want to leave or that the manager didn't want to let go since Klopp has been here.

And again for the umpteenth time, the story is from the scum, so ''there's a real danger that it might be true'' is nonsense.

[So… Howard Philips]

Oh God! I really hope the newspapers are wrong. First Van Dijk (Apparantly off to Juventus) and now Bobby off to Bayern.

They must hate being English, European and World Champions after years of not being those things.

With the best will in the world the Rag can't be called a newspaper.

[Sangria]

Edwards hasn't sold any player that didn't want to leave or that the manager didn't want to let go since Klopp has been here.

And again for the umpteenth time, the story is from the scum, so ''there's a real danger that it might be true'' is nonsense.

Are you sure we wouldn't do so though if it meant we had a claim on the soul of the Bayern players' firstborn?

[rebel23]

Correct. Edwards has a history of selling our players, so it's just a matter of whether the story is plausible or not given our past record. If the story is about selling Firmino for 200m, there's a real danger that it might be true. Especially if there's another 50m of add ons based on whether or not Bayern win the Bundesliga. If Edwards decides to push for it, we may even claim the soul of Kimmich's firstborn.

Are you on a wind up?

It's not going to happen.

[CHOPPER]

[deFacto please, you bastards]

Are you sure we wouldn't do so though if it meant we had a claim on the soul of the Bayern players' firstborn?

Mate it's form the rag, I hate the fact that people are giving this attention as it is for the last several pages.

[thaddeus]

Mate it's form the rag, I hate the fact that people are giving this attention as it is for the last several pages.

Exactly.  Can we just take Bobby's thread back to:
https://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=325807.msg17037726#msg17037726

The transfer window doesn't open for the best part of five months in which time we've got a Premier League to win, a Champions League to defend and a madcap FA Cup run to enjoy.  Plus, the story is from that fucking pack of lies rag so why even give it the time of day?

[Andy @ Allerton!]

I'd like to point out (again) that I saw the story in the Guardian (With absolutely no reference to the S*n)

So apologies for that. Bit late to delete it now, like


Anyway. As originally stated let's keep Firmino and win the next 20 leagues in the row if that's OK with everyone?

[deFacto please, you bastards]

I'd like to point out (again) that I saw the story in the Guardian (With absolutely no reference to the S*n)

So apologies for that. Bit late to delete it now, like


Anyway. As originally stated let's keep Firmino and win the next 20 leagues in the row if that's OK with everyone?

No worries, but given that it's under their ''transfer rumors'' section and not an actual article that they've produced, it's a giveaway that it's a bunch of crap.

[jooneyisdagod]

75 million can buy Bayern a signed Bobby Firmino shirt from the CL final or something special like that. I can't see us selling the player himself. He seems to be getting better if anything. I just don't see us selling him at all, let alone for 75 million, which wouldn't even buy a player half as good.

[4pool]

Bobby rang his mate Phil about Bayern and he's going nowhere.



Although i made this up, it's probably not far wrong. 

[rebel23]

I'd like to point out (again) that I saw the story in the Guardian (With absolutely no reference to the S*n)

So apologies for that. Bit late to delete it now, like

Anyway. As originally stated let's keep Firmino and win the next 20 leagues in the row if that's OK with everyone?

 Unfortunately a lot of these rumours get spread around without the source being documented.   its a bit of a pain

Anyway here's a video of Bobby doing what he does best


<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/RjUtn-2SRb8" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/RjUtn-2SRb8</a>

[JC the Messiah]

Correct. Edwards has a history of selling our players, so it's just a matter of whether the story is plausible or not given our past record. If the story is about selling Firmino for 200m, there's a real danger that it might be true. Especially if there's another 50m of add ons based on whether or not Bayern win the Bundesliga. If Edwards decides to push for it, we may even claim the soul of Kimmich's firstborn.

Who has Edwards sold?

The rest is just bullshit, even entertaining the rumour. The price is bullshit, the idea we'd sell one of our key players is bullshit, the idea the s*n would be privy to anything we're doing is bullshit. The idea that Bobby is anywhere other than at his peak is bullshit. The idea he'd be valued at a meagre 75m is bullshit.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

Correct. Edwards has a history of selling our players, so it's just a matter of whether the story is plausible or not given our past record. If the story is about selling Firmino for 200m, there's a real danger that it might be true. Especially if there's another 50m of add ons based on whether or not Bayern win the Bundesliga. If Edwards decides to push for it, we may even claim the soul of Kimmich's firstborn.

 

[MNAA]

Bobby rang his mate Phil about Bayern and he's going nowhere.

Who is going nowhere? Bobby or Phil? Because Phil wants to go somewhere, anywhere. He asked Bobby to ask Klopp (via McManaman) to accept him back. His back pain is gone ...

[aussie_ox]

Bobby loves the fans, loves his song, loves having the best medals you can win, has not long signed a new deal. Why would he want to leave and why would we break up a winning formula?
The S*n is just shit stirring.

It's the most laughable rumour of all time.   Bobby loves it in Liverpool, is a loveable guy and fits in with the Liverpool family.


Bayern Munich have no hope unless they want to buy him at 33 when he's done with us.

[farawayred]

Its. The. Fucking. Rag.

Stop giving this shit any credence, FFS!

[DanA]

I can’t see any player that’s critical to the structure of this side being sold until they put in a transfer request or there is a drastic decline in ability. That’s Firmino, Salah, Mane, Henderson, Wijnaldum, Fabinho, Robertson, A-Arnold, Gomez, Van Djik, and Allison. You don’t break up a team that is making history breaking records on a weekly basis.

[PoetryInMotion]

Mane, Firmino & Salah threads are the top 3 currently now. Don't know when that last happened.

[So… Howard Philips]

Mane, Firmino & Salah threads are the top 3 currently now. Don't know when that last happened.

That's what a two week break from football does - anticipation.

[PoetryInMotion]

Real are, Milan aren't [regardless of their European cups, they've been a nothing club for almost a decade now]

But if you want to look at finances/current success, then clubs like Barca and Bayern usurp us as they've been winning leagues left, right and center and have won the occasional CL as well. Barca certainly, Bayern and Juve are borderline. Even Man United have been a nothing club for 7 years now, but they still have massive finances, fanbase and are ahead of us in League Titles overall.

That's why I keep my criteria constant - I'd say to Barca, Bayern, Juve & Man United - 6 times, come back when you've got to them & Milan have my utmost respect for having won it 7 times.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

But if you want to look at finances/current success, then clubs like Barca and Bayern usurp us as they've been winning leagues left, right and center and have won the occasional CL as well. Barca certainly, Bayern and Juve are borderline. Even Man United have been a nothing club for 7 years now, but they still have massive finances, fanbase and are ahead of us in League Titles overall.

That's why I keep my criteria constant - I'd say to Barca, Bayern, Juve & Man United - 6 times, come back when you've got to them & Milan have my utmost respect for having won it 7 times.

The Mancs have won things in the last seven years, Milan have done nothing since they sold Ibrahimovic,Thiago Silva and won the league in 2012. They haven't made the CL in that time and they've progressively gotten worse. Had they even been remotely competitive, I'd hold them to a much higher regard than I do. It's like saying that Nottingham Forest are bigger right now than Chelsea as they have 2 European cups.

[PoetryInMotion]

The Mancs have won things in the last seven years, Milan have done nothing since they sold Ibrahimovic,Thiago Silva and won the league in 2012. They haven't made the CL in that time and they've progressively gotten worse. Had they even been remotely competitive, I'd hold them to a much higher regard than I do. It's like saying that Nottingham Forest are bigger right now than Chelsea as they have 2 European cups.

I'm not saying 'right now' to anything at all. I'm just talking overall. It's a good discussion. For example, you have Juve with 30 plus League Titles, but only 3 European Cups/CLs, whereas Milan has 18 League Titles but 7 European Cups/CLs. Forget 'right now'. Who is the bigger club overall? I don't think it's as straight forward as you say in terms of dismissing Milan, even though they have been failures recently.

You do point the difference between Milan and Man United, that's well and good and then you go on to compare Milan and Nottingham Forest, how? Milan's recent League title was in this decade, Nottingham Forest have won 1 League overall and haven't been in the top flight for a couple of decades? Man United have won things in the last 7 years, yes, but nothing major as in a League or CL, 1 League Cup, 1 FA Cup, 1 Europa League right? Yes, that's more than what Milan did, but frankly, before we won the CL last season, we had won 1 League Cup in 8 years, so would you have had us as a smaller club than United and Juve at that time? I wouldn't have, overall, even if we had blips at that time. Were Leicester a bigger club than Liverpool before we won CL last season, because they won the League/a major trophy more recently than us?