Topic: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation

[Henry Chinaski]

Conceição maybe an option.
7 years at Porto done an excellent job. Done decent in europe
last 8 of CL twice with Porto

He's somewhat of a hot-headed character, and not averse to the dark arts. I remember him as a player from the Belgian league. I don't think he's a good fit for the club.

[killer-heels]

Not really. Lots of data that suggests he'd be a great fit with our squad and plenty of other data that shows he's done a brilliant job at Stuttgart. The biggest question really is whether or not he'd be interested in leaving for anyone apart from Bayern.

Its one really good season where he got a team from near relegation last season to CL football places in Germany. I mean, its good but hardly bundles of qualification there is? Plus he was sacked at the club he was at before.

[killer-heels]

Forgot about Emery, who is an interesting option. I think if his spell at Arsenal didn’t happen, he’d be a more popular option. He’s become a bit of a journeyman though which doesn’t sit right with me.

Emery would be mad to leave Villa now.

[Garlic Red]

What if the West Ham links are an agent power move? What if they’re exploring their options to push us into offering better terms or pushing us to get it done early? Always a possibility but unlikely at best.

[Nick110581]

Emery would be mad to leave Villa now.

Why ?

[Garlic Red]

Its one really good season where he got a team from near relegation last season to CL football places in Germany. I mean, its good but hardly bundles of qualification there is? Plus he was sacked at the club he was at before.

Might as well go for a manager that’s done that in the Premier League…

[lionel_messias]

Some chat and a lot of uninformed speculation really

Welcome to Rawk, can I offer you a biscuit?

(Still think it's Amorim for us, he's not going to West Ham (over us) unless he's suffered some sort of brain injury.)

[Chris~]

If Amorim ends up at West Ham, it’s because we decided he’s not the one. It certainly feels like we may have U-turned on him a bit. I’d actually warned to the idea of him so it’s a bit of a shame.

Lots of people talking about Mourinho but it obviously won’t be him. There’s no way he’s scoring high on any analysis, nor a personality that is going to be compatible with the club. Tuchel seems like a Mourinho Lite so I wouldn’t go near him.

De Zerbi terrifies me because Hughes is supposedly a big fan.

With respect, I think the job is too big for Slot or Hoeness, and I don’t think Iraola, O’Neil or Frank are good enough.

It’s all pretty wild. I was so sure it was Alonso or Amorim. They seemed like the only two who ticked all the boxes.

Why would it be too big a job for Slot but not Amorim? They seem to have done similair jobs domestically, Slot's done decent in Europe as well

[Mister Flip Flop]

Emery would be mad to leave Villa now.

There isn't a manager on the planet who'd stay at Villa if offered the Liverpool job

[killer-heels]

Why ?

He is finally at a club which is big, loves him and has a decent pot of money, with realistic expectations thus far. He comes to us and he will join a massive club where there will be questions over his appointment and pressure on in day one.

[Avens]

Its one really good season where he got a team from near relegation last season to CL football places in Germany. I mean, its good but hardly bundles of qualification there is? Plus he was sacked at the club he was at before.

You suggested that he could only be a top choice based on unseen data, but lots of widely available data suggests he gets his teams playing a way that suits our players.

Plus being sacked means he ticks that facing adversity problem people had with Xabi. Hoffenheim haven't exactly cracked on since his departure either - he had them 9th.

I'm also quietly confident that he doesn't ride a skateboard into training, which I know is important to a lot of people on here.

[ChaChaMooMoo]

He is finally at a club which is big, loves him and has a decent pot of money, with realistic expectations thus far. He comes to us and he will join a massive club where there will be questions over his appointment and pressure on in day one.

TBF, the same could be said of Alonso and Amorim.

[Phineus]

Zidane?

[Nick110581]

He is finally at a club which is big, loves him and has a decent pot of money, with realistic expectations thus far. He comes to us and he will join a massive club where there will be questions over his appointment and pressure on in day one.

Be pressure at Villa too.

I think he is great but we won't go for him.

[smicer07]

May as well just not speak or think. Just lie in bed and what will be will be

Yep.

[spider-neil]

That tweet that Edwards and Hughes aren't afraid to make an unpopular but brave decision is really worrying.

a) They know the decision will be unpopular
b) They consider the decision to be brave and reading between the lines 'brave' means a gamble

[vblfc]

If it wasn't west hams private jet who's was it? I know he would be fairly wealthy but would he charter one himself?

Liverpool I believe have offices in London so it's not out of question he would be meeting us. In saying that there is definitely something to orny pricks tweets.. Maybe Inzaghi now their league is done?

very common these days for “Private” jets to have fractional ownership. You can own a share in a jet or just rent usage of a jet. So good chance it’s not owned by West Ham or us.
I also think West Ham don’t really need to keep quiet about interviewing Amorim (if they are sacking Moyes), whereas we have Klopp’s leaving to respect and typically Edwards et al keep stum about such things.
So no reason that this isn’t the first chance Amorim has had to do some interviews, including West Ham (who are not “hiding” this) and possibly also ourselves.

[Nick110581]

That tweet that Edwards and Hughes aren't afraid to make an unpopular but brave decision is really worrying.

a) They know the decision will be unpopular
b) They consider the decision to be brave and reading between the lines 'brave' means a gamble

Who did this tweet come from ?

[Stockholm Syndrome]

That tweet that Edwards and Hughes aren't afraid to make an unpopular but brave decision is really worrying.

a) They know the decision will be unpopular
b) They consider the decision to be brave and reading between the lines 'brave' means a gamble

I think Brave just means being open to the unpopular choice. The same comments from Ornstein said they are going for "The right choice not the popular one"

To whatever measure we are making it is the least gamble. Just maybe not the name everyone wants

[spider-neil]

Who did this tweet come from ?

Ben Jacobs.

[Dazzer23]

Emery would be mad to leave Villa now.

Of all the names being banded about I think he’d be the one with the least reservations about jumping to us. Established and successful at what I’ll call a ‘second tier big prem club’ for want of a better term. Had one go at a big 6 club and didn’t succeed. Now older and more experienced he will be desperate for another crack at a big one.

[spider-neil]

I think Brave just means being open to the unpopular choice. The same comments from Ornstein said they are going for "The right choice not the popular one"

To whatever measure we are making it is the least gamble. Just maybe not the name everyone wants

To be fair, following Klopp everyone is a gamble. Even Guardiola or Carlo would be a gamble. But there are gambles and there are gambles.

[JC the Messiah]

That tweet that Edwards and Hughes aren't afraid to make an unpopular but brave decision is really worrying.

a) They know the decision will be unpopular
b) They consider the decision to be brave and reading between the lines 'brave' means a gamble

I'm very cynical about that tweet. It suggests a decision has been made, and it's known by some who are keeping it a secret.

It's easy to say it'll be brave and possibly unpopular, if it's not Alonso or Amorim. Basically, it's not saying a lot.

[killer-heels]

TBF, the same could be said of Alonso and Amorim.

Leverkusen and Sporting are not as rich as Villa, or as big.

[LovelyCushionedHeader]

Of all the names being banded about I think he’d be the one with the least reservations about jumping to us. Established and successful at what I’ll call a ‘second tier big prem club’ for want of a better term. Had one go at a big 6 club and didn’t succeed. Now older and more experienced he will be desperate for another crack at a big one.

You have to remember that in some people's minds, all our managerial options are shit, and we're also shit so that even the better of the shit ones won't come to us.

[spider-neil]

Leverkusen and Sporting are not as rich as Villa, or as big.

Villa are European cup winners. Bayer or Sporting can't say the same.

[Stockholm Syndrome]

Ben Jacobs.

Ornstein said the exact same comments a week or so ago on his podcast

[spider-neil]

Ornstein said the exact same comments a week or so ago on his podcast

So two journos saying the same thing.

[killer-heels]

You suggested that he could only be a top choice based on unseen data, but lots of widely available data suggests he gets his teams playing a way that suits our players.

Plus being sacked means he ticks that facing adversity problem people had with Xabi. Hoffenheim haven't exactly cracked on since his departure either - he had them 9th.

I'm also quietly confident that he doesn't ride a skateboard into training, which I know is important to a lot of people on here.

It was a joke really in the vein of something being seen in him that the obvious doesn't. Also i think putting so much stock in data and stats for managers seems a bit risky.

He did worse for Hoffenheim compared to the manager before him. Again, that one job shouldn't rule him out but really his best performance is boiled down to one season. I know there are a number of managers we have laughed out of the conversation but i don't get how they are and he is considered a genuine option.

[Smudge 2.0]

All aboard the Gary O'Neil fun bus

[killer-heels]

Of all the names being banded about I think he’d be the one with the least reservations about jumping to us. Established and successful at what I’ll call a ‘second tier big prem club’ for want of a better term. Had one go at a big 6 club and didn’t succeed. Now older and more experienced he will be desperate for another crack at a big one.

Possibly, depends on his motivations I guess.

[spider-neil]

Brave and unpopular - Mourinho
Brave and unpopular - O'Neill

Actually, who wouldn't be considered a brave and unpopular appointment

[jillcwhomever]

Ornstein said the exact same comments a week or so ago on his podcast

I was just about to say the same thing I read it on Ornstein's Twitter.

[No666]

If it's not a name the majority can feel excited about, there's an inevitable extra weakness. The excitement factor is relative given a] we're losing Klopp and b] none of the candidates available at the moment is of proven world-class pedigree. So given that starting point, if the person appointed is totally left field (let's say, Eddie Howe for the sake of argument) then there will be an inevitable, at the very least sub-conscious, effect on the players and their buy-in. & secondly, of course, the support will be less patient. You'd hope Edwards and co are intelligent enough to realise this and take other factors into account rather than just data, but Ornstein's tweets, which have the feel of a briefing, are a touch unnerving.

[killer-heels]

Brave and unpopular - Mourinho
Brave and unpopular - O'Neill

Actually, who wouldn't be considered a brave and unpopular appointment

I think someone like Hansi Flick would be brave and popular. Not someone who was on the radar but a winner of a CL for Bayern.

[Stockholm Syndrome]

Brave and unpopular - Mourinho
Brave and unpopular - O'Neill

Actually, who wouldn't be considered a brave and unpopular appointment

Emery probably would be brave but maybe not unpopular - I think people do respect him as a manager

[asif_00013]

I will sell my left testicle for zidane

[spider-neil]

If it's not a name the majority can feel excited about, there's an inevitable extra weakness. The excitement factor is relative given a] we're losing Klopp and b] none of the candidates available at the moment is of proven world-class pedigree. So given that starting point, if the person appointed is totally left field (let's say, Eddie Howe for the sake of argument) then there will be an inevitable, at the very least sub-conscious, effect on the players and their buy-in. & secondly, of course, the support will be less patient. You'd hope Edwards and co are intelligent enough to realise this and take other factors into account rather than just data, but Ornstein's tweets, which have the feel of a briefing, are a touch unnerving.

If two journos are saying the same thing it's worrying.
I still wouldn't rule out Amorim but I think there has been a briefing to lower expectations in the event we don't get him.

[Stockholm Syndrome]

Given the comments made about him, the people deemed unlikely or ruled out, and the data analytical approach, I think it's going to be Thomas Frank

[Stockholm Syndrome]

If two journos are saying the same thing it's worrying.
I still wouldn't rule out Amorim but I think there has been a briefing to lower expectations in the event we don't get him.

I mean if we want him and don't get him because of West Ham that's a big problem

I think the briefing is exactly what it is, he isn't our first choice

I think there is also a degree of him being the favorite so people built him as the ideal perfect candidate, and now it isn't him there's very real backlash based on the perception of him we made because we thought he was coming in