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Author Topic: Brexit: "Vultus inanis est et mori in fossa ego sum!"  (Read 1460806 times)

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Re: Brexit Magic Flying Rainbow coloured Unicorn jolly tip-top-ho! Gosh! Thread.
« Reply #24640 on: August 20, 2019, 02:00:23 pm »
I think you often get a rough ride on here. Comments like that don't help your case though.

Obviously not a majority of the population but certainly the majority of Brexit voters would tick at least one of those boxes & a good proportion would tick both.
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Re: Brexit Magic Flying Rainbow coloured Unicorn jolly tip-top-ho! Gosh! Thread.
« Reply #24641 on: August 20, 2019, 02:06:15 pm »
Jeremy Vine:
Pensioner today on my show: “We will get through a no-deal Brexit like we did in the war, by growing our own food.”

Aside from the idiocy of such statement, the UK Population in '45 was 48.67 million but it's now just over 67 million.

I don't expect the caller offered any suggestions as to how those extra 18 million will get fed?
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Re: Brexit Magic Flying Rainbow coloured Unicorn jolly tip-top-ho! Gosh! Thread.
« Reply #24642 on: August 20, 2019, 02:11:04 pm »
James O'Brien. caller who thinks the EU are at fault over the NI border.
Amazing how many people can talk so much s,, while thinking they are making a intelligent argument.
https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/james-obrien-brexit-top-10-epic-row-irish-border/

It's actually quite frightening the amount of delusional wishful thinking going on in the minds of much of the public, that somehow a magical thing will happen and with no deleterious consequences, yet with no satisfactory explanation forthcoming as to exactly how.

It's evident in that caller.

It actually worries me, this level of delusional optimism in the face of the evidence and the willfull ignoring of facts such as the consequences to the GFI as there is a problem with delusions in that when the fantasies don't turn to reality, those who are suffering from them feel betrayed.

There is rarely self introspection and self recognition that they have been deluding themselves so it will always be someone else's fault, and I expect that feeling will even be encouraged by those who seek mischief.

And this being a mass delusion, and aside from the economic problems of this Brexit, the social problems as a result could be immense and it will likely be the far right that benefit the most.

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Re: Brexit Magic Flying Rainbow coloured Unicorn jolly tip-top-ho! Gosh! Thread.
« Reply #24643 on: August 20, 2019, 03:19:26 pm »
It's actually quite frightening the amount of delusional wishful thinking going on in the minds of much of the public, that somehow a magical thing will happen and with no deleterious consequences, yet with no satisfactory explanation forthcoming as to exactly how.

It's evident in that caller.

It actually worries me, this level of delusional optimism in the face of the evidence and the willfull ignoring of facts such as the consequences to the GFI as there is a problem with delusions in that when the fantasies don't turn to reality, those who are suffering from them feel betrayed.

There is rarely self introspection and self recognition that they have been deluding themselves so it will always be someone else's fault, and I expect that feeling will even be encouraged by those who seek mischief.

And this being a mass delusion, and aside from the economic problems of this Brexit, the social problems as a result could be immense and it will likely be the far right that benefit the most.
Ive been shocked over the last few yrs, it's changed my whole opinion on the average Tory voter. watching Johnson talk absolute rubbish while they smile and clap him is gobsmacking sometimes, were not talking opinions, he is telling them outrageous lies and they think he's making a sound argument, he is insulting their intelligence but they are so clueless he gets away with it.
The James O'Brien caller is still stuck in 2016, some sort of technology without having a clue on the purpose of this technology, if anyone can invent technology capable of doing physical checks to stop smuggling then the whole world would love to hear from them, every country in the world would be lining up to buy this technology, does he think countries love all the bureaucracy, all the long delays checking trucks etc, every country would love to have free flowing borders but it's impossible as no technology exists to replace physical checks.
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Re: Brexit Magic Flying Rainbow coloured Unicorn jolly tip-top-ho! Gosh! Thread.
« Reply #24644 on: August 20, 2019, 03:23:42 pm »
There is a serious issue behind that caller’s point-of-view, if you can get past the idiocy, which is that we have parts of our society for whom digging for victory or hunting rabbits doesn’t immediately sound like a massive decline in living standards.

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Re: Brexit Magic Flying Rainbow coloured Unicorn jolly tip-top-ho! Gosh! Thread.
« Reply #24645 on: August 20, 2019, 03:26:04 pm »
There is a serious issue behind that caller’s point-of-view, if you can get past the idiocy, which is that we have parts of our society for whom digging for victory or hunting rabbits doesn’t immediately sound like a massive decline in living standards.
You don't think that's just bluster and rhetoric?

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Re: Brexit Magic Flying Rainbow coloured Unicorn jolly tip-top-ho! Gosh! Thread.
« Reply #24646 on: August 20, 2019, 03:47:30 pm »
You don't think that's just bluster and rhetoric?
Oh probably, I suppose.  Just because I’d feel stupid saying it doesn’t mean everybody would.  You’d think I’d know by now not to expect anyone to behave to any sort of standard whatsoever.

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Re: Brexit Magic Flying Rainbow coloured Unicorn jolly tip-top-ho! Gosh! Thread.
« Reply #24647 on: August 20, 2019, 04:13:22 pm »
The British government could solve the issue of a hard border in a flash by having a hard border in the North Sea.


Why don’t they do that¿
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Re: Brexit Magic Flying Rainbow coloured Unicorn jolly tip-top-ho! Gosh! Thread.
« Reply #24648 on: August 20, 2019, 04:24:12 pm »
The British government could solve the issue of a hard border in a flash by having a hard border in the North Sea.


Why don’t they do that¿

Or just do us all a favour & cancel brexit?
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Re: Brexit Magic Flying Rainbow coloured Unicorn jolly tip-top-ho! Gosh! Thread.
« Reply #24649 on: August 20, 2019, 04:24:38 pm »
Or just do us all a favour & cancel brexit?
Well obviously..
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Re: Brexit Magic Flying Rainbow coloured Unicorn jolly tip-top-ho! Gosh! Thread.
« Reply #24650 on: August 20, 2019, 04:26:18 pm »
The British government could solve the issue of a hard border in a flash by having a hard border in the North Sea.


Why don’t they do that¿

3 letters.

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Re: Brexit Magic Flying Rainbow coloured Unicorn jolly tip-top-ho! Gosh! Thread.
« Reply #24652 on: August 20, 2019, 04:31:51 pm »
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Re: Brexit Magic Flying Rainbow coloured Unicorn jolly tip-top-ho! Gosh! Thread.
« Reply #24653 on: August 20, 2019, 04:47:42 pm »
The British government could solve the issue of a hard border in a flash by having a hard border in the North Sea.


Why don’t they do that¿

Can't we go in the other direction and have a border in the Atlantic Ocean?
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Re: Brexit Magic Flying Rainbow coloured Unicorn jolly tip-top-ho! Gosh! Thread.
« Reply #24654 on: August 20, 2019, 05:10:05 pm »
It's actually quite frightening the amount of delusional wishful thinking going on in the minds of much of the public, that somehow a magical thing will happen and with no deleterious consequences, yet with no satisfactory explanation forthcoming as to exactly how.

It's evident in that caller.

It actually worries me, this level of delusional optimism in the face of the evidence and the willfull ignoring of facts such as the consequences to the GFI as there is a problem with delusions in that when the fantasies don't turn to reality, those who are suffering from them feel betrayed.

There is rarely self introspection and self recognition that they have been deluding themselves so it will always be someone else's fault, and I expect that feeling will even be encouraged by those who seek mischief.

And this being a mass delusion, and aside from the economic problems of this Brexit, the social problems as a result could be immense and it will likely be the far right that benefit the most.


Before the Referendum, Michael 'psycho Pob' Gove, when responding to economic experts pointing out the inherent perils of leaving the EU, sneered that we've all had quite enough of 'experts'.

It seemed to be like a tap being turned on, as all manner of pub bores and fat-gobbed pricks seemed to feel they had an endorsement to totally ignore and wilfully expert opinion, whilst shouting forth their own opinion framed as fact.

And that's what the post-Referendum atmosphere in Britain has been like.

Full of dickheads denigrating experts as 'fear mongering' or plain old talking shite, because it rips apart their fuckwitted narrative.

I'm not putting all this on Pob's shoulders, because the malignant twat isn't that important and the sense of discounting expert opinion has been growing for years (not helped by the Tory-lapdog BBC taking their 'contrasting viewpoint' thing to a ridiculous degree), but around that time seemed to be the tipping point.
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Re: Brexit Magic Flying Rainbow coloured Unicorn jolly tip-top-ho! Gosh! Thread.
« Reply #24655 on: August 20, 2019, 05:10:42 pm »
3 letters.

BHB?

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« Reply #24656 on: August 20, 2019, 05:22:48 pm »
Irish Sea, surely?

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Re: Brexit Magic Flying Rainbow coloured Unicorn jolly tip-top-ho! Gosh! Thread.
« Reply #24657 on: August 20, 2019, 05:25:31 pm »
There is a serious issue behind that caller’s point-of-view, if you can get past the idiocy, which is that we have parts of our society for whom digging for victory or hunting rabbits doesn’t immediately sound like a massive decline in living standards.

Rabbits are in decline, so there could be serious issues there.
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Re: Brexit Magic Flying Rainbow coloured Unicorn jolly tip-top-ho! Gosh! Thread.
« Reply #24659 on: August 20, 2019, 06:35:06 pm »

Before the Referendum, Michael 'psycho Pob' Gove, when responding to economic experts pointing out the inherent perils of leaving the EU, sneered that we've all had quite enough of 'experts'.

It seemed to be like a tap being turned on, as all manner of pub bores and fat-gobbed pricks seemed to feel they had an endorsement to totally ignore and wilfully expert opinion, whilst shouting forth their own opinion framed as fact.

And that's what the post-Referendum atmosphere in Britain has been like.

Full of dickheads denigrating experts as 'fear mongering' or plain old talking shite, because it rips apart their fuckwitted narrative.

I'm not putting all this on Pob's shoulders, because the malignant twat isn't that important and the sense of discounting expert opinion has been growing for years (not helped by the Tory-lapdog BBC taking their 'contrasting viewpoint' thing to a ridiculous degree), but around that time seemed to be the tipping point.


I think it was happening before that. I wrote this back in 2013 about conspiracy theories.

...Stick to the evidence. Be a (real) sceptic and examine everything. Most importantly, ask the most difficult questions about the things that support your point of view, because that's where you are most likely to allow confirmation bias to skew your critical faculties...

The idea that opinion is the same as fact has been amplified by the internet and radio talk shows.
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Re: Brexit Magic Flying Rainbow coloured Unicorn jolly tip-top-ho! Gosh! Thread.
« Reply #24660 on: August 20, 2019, 06:42:45 pm »
Corbyn on Sky News earlier was only willing to say he'd back Remain versus No Deal, and IMO quite obviously was deliberately avoiding declaring his stance in a Remain vs Labour deal referendum for example.

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Re: Brexit Magic Flying Rainbow coloured Unicorn jolly tip-top-ho! Gosh! Thread.
« Reply #24661 on: August 20, 2019, 06:44:28 pm »
Corbyn on Sky News earlier was only willing to say he'd back Remain versus No Deal, and IMO quite obviously was deliberately avoiding declaring his stance in a Remain vs Labour deal referendum for example.
Or, Labour-Deal vs No-Deal? I think Corbyn will drop Remain if at all possible.
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« Reply #24662 on: August 20, 2019, 06:48:14 pm »
Or, Labour-Deal vs No-Deal? I think Corbyn will drop Remain if at all possible.

Interesting to see McDonnell and Abbott sounding a lot more positive on Remain

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Re: Brexit Magic Flying Rainbow coloured Unicorn jolly tip-top-ho! Gosh! Thread.
« Reply #24663 on: August 20, 2019, 06:53:51 pm »
The Corbyn fans are getting thinner skin by the day. Suggest that Corbyn wants Brexit an they are enraged

I honestlydo wonder what the future of Labour will be
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Re: Brexit Magic Flying Rainbow coloured Unicorn jolly tip-top-ho! Gosh! Thread.
« Reply #24664 on: August 20, 2019, 06:59:51 pm »
There is a serious issue behind that caller’s point-of-view, if you can get past the idiocy, which is that we have parts of our society for whom digging for victory or hunting rabbits doesn’t immediately sound like a massive decline in living standards.

There's this prevailing 'we did it during two world wars' attitude that confuses me the most.  Does anyone actually hark back to the rationing and death of the wars?  Would Britain have chosen to inflict those wars on themselves as they are doing with Brexit?

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Re: Brexit Magic Flying Rainbow coloured Unicorn jolly tip-top-ho! Gosh! Thread.
« Reply #24665 on: August 20, 2019, 07:13:27 pm »
The Corbyn fans are getting thinner skin by the day. Suggest that Corbyn wants Brexit an they are enraged

I honestlydo wonder what the future of Labour will be
It’s as if people didnt actually read what he says.

He’s quite clear.

So is his voting record
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Re: Brexit Magic Flying Rainbow coloured Unicorn jolly tip-top-ho! Gosh! Thread.
« Reply #24666 on: August 20, 2019, 07:35:36 pm »
There's this prevailing 'we did it during two world wars' attitude that confuses me the most.  Does anyone actually hark back to the rationing and death of the wars?  Would Britain have chosen to inflict those wars on themselves as they are doing with Brexit?
The vast majority of them did not live through WWII. And, to boot, they totally the lack imagination to understand what it must have been like. They have no fucking clue. They think it was like Allo Allo, or that other total shite, Goodnight Sweetheart with Nicholas Lyndhurst.
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« Reply #24667 on: August 20, 2019, 07:40:49 pm »
Corbyn on Sky News earlier was only willing to say he'd back Remain versus No Deal, and IMO quite obviously was deliberately avoiding declaring his stance in a Remain vs Labour deal referendum for example.

Consistent of him.

But to be fair, it would make no sense to say, "when we are in power, we will negotiate a jobs-first Brexit, then put it to the people and campaign for Remain". So Labour have to keep open the pretence that once in power they can negotiate a fantastic deal and then campaign for it in that final referendum.

Of course, as we all know, anything they negotiate will actually look almost identical to the Withdrawal Agreement negotiated by Mrs May, simply because that's what Brexit actually looks like. Mr Corbyn will then have to explain to us that unfortunately it's not as good as "Remain and Reform (7/10)" but the General Public deserves to choose.

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« Reply #24668 on: August 20, 2019, 07:40:53 pm »
That vast majority of them did not live through WWII.

I wish they'd actually ask people's ages, as people seem to forget there's not many around who do actually remember it.

'How old are you, Gammon Caller number 7? You're 65 are you? So you don't actually remember the fucking Second World War, do you? As you weren't born until the year rationing finished? Fuck off and find some tinned pineapple you silly old bastard, instead of banging on about the War effort and reminiscing about growing your own insulin in your allotment'
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Re: Brexit Magic Flying Rainbow coloured Unicorn jolly tip-top-ho! Gosh! Thread.
« Reply #24669 on: August 20, 2019, 08:03:20 pm »
I wish they'd actually ask people's ages, as people seem to forget there's not many around who do actually remember it.

'How old are you, Gammon Caller number 7? You're 65 are you? So you don't actually remember the fucking Second World War, do you? As you weren't born until the year rationing finished? Fuck off and find some tinned pineapple you silly old bastard, instead of banging on about the War effort and reminiscing about growing your own insulin in your allotment'

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« Reply #24670 on: August 20, 2019, 08:49:24 pm »
Meanwhile, in we-survived-the-war-so-we'll-survive-Brexit news....




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« Reply #24671 on: August 20, 2019, 09:15:32 pm »
The Corbyn fans are getting thinner skin by the day. Suggest that Corbyn wants Brexit an they are enraged

I honestlydo wonder what the future of Labour will be
to be fair they’ve always had thin skin, when you have a blank canvas candidate (to most) where they can project their hopes and dreams on him they tend to get pissy when it comes crashing down

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« Reply #24672 on: August 20, 2019, 09:33:19 pm »
Ww2 home grown food would mean a massive change in diet. The diabetics forced to subsist on a couple of carrots and a potato a day would reverse their diabetes and not need insulin. We would have home grown nutirious food without tons of salt added. Meat consumption would be decimated, causing far less c02 emissions. It's you lot who are insane and don't see the benefits of brexit.  Oh and Everton will win the league.
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Re: Brexit Magic Flying Rainbow coloured Unicorn jolly tip-top-ho! Gosh! Thread.
« Reply #24673 on: August 20, 2019, 09:34:59 pm »
Ww2 home grown food would mean a massive change in diet. The diabetics forced to subsist on a couple of carrots and a potato a day would reverse their diabetes and not need insulin. We would have home grown nutirious food without tons of salt added. Meat consumption would be decimated, causing far less c02 emissions. It's you lot who are insane and don't see the benefits of brexit.  Oh and Everton will win the league.
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Re: Brexit Magic Flying Rainbow coloured Unicorn jolly tip-top-ho! Gosh! Thread.
« Reply #24674 on: August 20, 2019, 10:14:19 pm »
Brexit: No-deal plan threatens UK fuel plants

The future of the UK's fuel refineries could be threatened by a no-deal Brexit, according to an internal local authority document seen by the BBC.

Under current government plans for no deal, they face a "danger to viability" from cheaper imports, while exports to the EU are set to be hit with tariffs.

Concern is widespread in an industry deemed crucial for both economic and national security.

The government has been approached for a comment.

There are six major petroleum refineries in the UK, supporting around 120,000 jobs directly and contributing about £8.6bn to the economy.

They turn crude oil into petrol and diesel as well as products such as jet fuel.

The concern, which is shared by both the Scottish and Welsh governments, relates to the UK government's decision not to apply tariffs - taxes on trade - to imports of petrol in the event of a no-deal Brexit.

The decision was made to lessen the inflationary impact on prices in the event of a no-deal Brexit.

The current tariff on fuel imports from non-EU countries is 4.7%.

However, under World Trade Organization (WTO) rules, a zero tariff rate must apply to petrol imports from all countries, opening up the UK to Russian fuel imports.

At the same time, the EU has said it will apply a tariff, under WTO rules, of 4.7% to UK exports, making the trade with, for example, Ireland "uneconomical", according to insiders.

While a flood of cheaper imports could initially mean lower fuel prices for consumers, the industry says relying on foreign suppliers will ultimately lead to higher prices.

But the government has also said that reversing its no-deal zero import tariff plan would lead to higher prices for consumers.

The Irish market is of specific importance to the Pembrokeshire refinery run by US firm Valero.

A document from Anglesey Council says: "Pembrokeshire Valero is a significant contributor to overall UK fuel supply and if they cannot compete on equal terms with EU markets, then there is a danger to their viability."

Stephen Marcos Jones of the UK Petroleum Industry Association says the changes to tariffs, "distorts the competition for us, it means the importers have an advantage over the UK refining industry".

"We could end up in a situation where it becomes extremely uncompetitive for a domestic industry to stay in the UK," he adds.

"Do we really want to be dependent on a country like Russia for our fuel? Do we want to be dependent on any country outside of the UK?"

The issue has been raised at the key no-deal Cabinet planning sub-committee. And the threat of zero import tariffs to two UK refineries was mentioned in the leaked Operation Yellowhammer government planning document published on Sunday.

The problem is that opening up the schedule of no-deal tariffs is bound to lead to demands from other industries aggrieved at not getting the same protection.

Although the industry denies it, some in government fear that charging tariffs on all imported petrol will simply raise prices for consumers, in a visible manner.

The local authority documents also reveal a range of contingency plans and discussions around possible, though not expected, fuel shortages following a no-deal Brexit.

Aberdeen City Council lists as a low risk "reduced/lack of fuel affecting waste disposal, school transportation etc", and says that it has two weeks of bunkered fuel. But it also says that the "NPA [the UK-wide National Planning Assumption] suggests that fuel shortages will largely impact on the south east, however fuel costs are likely to increase and fuel supply could be an issue".

Dorset Council alongside others has identified "key staff who would require fuel warrants" - special licences to grant them access to fuel supplies.

Sutton Council, which normally only half-fills its fuel stores due to cost and risk, "will fill fuel bunkers to maximum". And Chorley Council, in its recent Brexit risk report, says that on-site fuel tanks should be "topped up on a weekly basis to ensure that fleet vehicles can continue to operate for longer in the event of fuel shortages".

Such moves are part of an already existing national fuel plan, created after the fuel protests and shortages seen in 2000. Fuel providers have already identified key petrol stations, priority users, and arranged the mechanics for waiving competition law so that competing suppliers are legally allowed to co-operate.

Some councils have considered going further.

Chichester District Council, for example, has decided to spend £30,000 on a fuelling station and a 24,000 litre fuel tank. In a confidential document from January this year, it says fuel should be available but "might be limited at some point" and existing stores "could well last 8-10 days before we have to operate hand to mouth".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49405270

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« Reply #24675 on: August 20, 2019, 10:18:23 pm »
No-deal Brexit would make Valero oil investment 'harder'

A no-deal Brexit would make it harder for Valero to increase investment in its Pembrokeshire oil refinery, a local MP has warned.

More than 500 people are employed at its Pembroke plant as well as hundreds of contractors.

UK government papers outlining no-deal Brexit preparations suggested no-deal could lead to the closure of two of the UK's six major oil refineries.

The UK government said it did not comment on leaks.

But Prime Minister Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson has insisted preparations for a no-deal Brexit are on track.

The papers, leaked to The Sunday Times, said 2,000 jobs could be lost and there could be subsequent industrial action.

Stephen Crabb, MP for Preseli Pembrokeshire, told BBC Wales: "Valero have been very clear with me, firstly they are here in Pembrokeshire for the long-term.

"They've got a successful track record of investing heavily to maintain Valero as one of the UK's largest and most competitive oil refineries.

"They've also been very clear with me and to government directly about the negative implications of a no-deal Brexit."

If the UK leaves the EU without a deal, UK petrol exports to the EU would be subject to tariffs.

However the UK government does not plan to introduce tariffs on petrol imports. This could lead to "significant financial losses", according to the leaked documents.

Mr Crabb, who voted to remain in the EU, said the uneven tariff arrangements were the "number one issue" for Valero and they would "jeopardise" the company's trade with Ireland.

"It would make their annual task of arguing for ongoing capital investment from their US owners more difficult," he said.

"They are not suggesting in any way that a no-deal Brexit would mean the end of Valero in Pembrokeshire but clearly it would increase the challenges of operating successfully in the UK at a time when UK oil refineries need all the help they can get to compete internationally."

Mr Crabb added that he had written to International Trade Secretary Elizabeth Truss to "urge a rethink" on the proposed tariffs so that "a level playing field" can be maintained for UK oil refineries.

Ed Tomp, general manager of the refinery, said it had been making preparations to ensure it continued to "operate safely and reliably regardless of whether the UK leaves the European Union on October 31".

"However we are concerned that 0% import tariffs on petrol could create an unfair advantage for importers, resulting in a negative impact on all UK refineries," he said.

"As such we have been working with the United Kingdom Petroleum Industry Association to ensure our concerns - and the potential impact of zero tariffs - are clearly communicated to the UK government."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-49393602
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« Reply #24676 on: August 20, 2019, 10:30:54 pm »
Brexit: No-deal plan threatens UK fuel plants...

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« Reply #24677 on: August 20, 2019, 10:32:42 pm »
People who voted Leave basically gave the Tories the opportunity to treat this country like a fucking game of the Sims.

"Well, I'll just lower the tariffs here to make prices cheaper for the consume...oh shit, Wales is dead"
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« Reply #24678 on: August 21, 2019, 12:55:14 am »
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« Reply #24679 on: August 21, 2019, 08:18:37 am »
Or, Labour-Deal vs No-Deal? I think Corbyn will drop Remain if at all possible.
If anyone has paid any sort of attention to EU leaders, there will be no "Labour deal" even if Corbyn magically gets 100% of the parliament. There won't be any negotiations. That window has closed and EU has moved on with other issues.

There are three options: Remain, May's deal, and hard brexit

The last option will most likely end up in a situation similar to May's deal anyway. Legally different, but practically similar.