Topic: England v Netherlands

[WhiteHeat]

One thing I'll say in defence of Ingerland is that nobody hated Spain when Fernando Torres got injured playing for them. In fact people still supported Spain at the WC2010.

[StokieSteve]

I still think that Crouch has something to offer for England (not just because he plays for Stoke) look at his record. I'm going to say summat else now as well, I reckon Beckham can still make the squad, probably as an impact player in the last half hour, from his energy and pinpoint balls to the front men.

[Cochise]

, I reckon Beckham can still make the squad, probably as an impact player in the last half hour, from his energy and pinpoint balls to the front men.

Beckham? You serious?

[StokieSteve]

Beckham? You serious?

Yes mate I am, won't happen though probably.

[exiledintheUSA]

Yes mate I am, won't happen though probably.

Im going to watch him tonight, playing on a converted baseball field, in Tucson, in the middle of the Arizona desset.  I think his International days are behind him.

[MrGrumpy]

Arry for Ingurlund!

[GBF]

robbie fowler ‏ @Robbie9Fowler
With that side part,the England manager reminds me of col. Hans landa from inglourious basterds

[Cochise]

Yes mate I am, won't happen though probably.

And it shouldn't. He doesn't get past the half way line anymore.

[StokieSteve]

Im going to watch him tonight, playing on a converted baseball field, in Tucson, in the middle of the Arizona desset.  I think his International days are behind him.

Maybe I'm being overly sentimental, but for me, Beckham was the best in terms of his crosses, passes etc. He really could put it on your head from any distance. Remember the free kick against Greece? Sublime.

[Snail]

I cannot actually believe the shit that was said in the "build-up" to the game.

Well, I can believe it. I just don't want to.

[Cochise]

Maybe I'm being overly sentimental, but for me, Beckham was the best in terms of his crosses, passes etc. He really could put it on your head from any distance. Remember the free kick against Greece? Sublime.

His free kick against Greece was 11 years ago!!!!

[Paganitzu]

Boring match by the Dutch. Kuyt was average, v. Bommel is getting old, Pieters might be the worst Dutch back in history, v. Persie still fails to perform for the NT, Vlaar should néver play for the Dutch team again, Sneijder seemed tired. Why always Kuyt? Why not play with two real wingers? One cross in the entire match! Enough to improve. Robben and Huntelaar where fine! Well, I won't even start talking about England.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

[redbyrdz]

Funny how there's lots of "the result doesn't matter" talk all over the media. Imagine Capello had lost that?

[StokieSteve]

His free kick against Greece was 11 years ago!!!!

Indeed it was, would you bet against him to do it again today?

[Snail]

Funny how there's lots of "the result doesn't matter" talk all over the media. Imagine Capello had lost that?

Don't you mean "Fabio the Foreigner"?

[Cochise]

Indeed it was, would you bet against him to do it again today?

So you'd play a player who is far far past his best and just incase we get a free kick even though there are better players than him?

[sinnermichael]

Funny how there's lots of "the result doesn't matter" talk all over the media. Imagine Capello had lost that?

he'd have been slaughtered.

i still can't believe chiles referred to him as "fabio the foreigner" less than 5 seconds into the programme. utter joke.

[Black Bull Nova]

ha, ha, nowa ya knowa whaddya meessing nowa you donta hava mea as youra manageriari.

I maya bea Tommy Coopieri's italian cousina butta I ama notta wankiari lika di idiota Pearciari thata you hava given the jobba to for nowa

Hahaha

nowa youa willa have Harriari but it donta matta becausa da playeriari datta youa hava are shitteri

only biga mamma's boy fabio made youa looka bitta betta fora whila

Paulo Di Canio youa needa

[Ziltoid]

Indeed it was, would you bet against him to do it again today?

Yes, because he had 7 or 8 free kick attempts in that match didn't he?  With those odds I'd bet against him. 

[StokieSteve]

So you'd play a player who is far far past his best and just incase we get a free kick even though there are better players than him?

Ok, he's getting on a bit now, but he always gave 100% for England, and given another chance is all I'm saying, could show one or two of these youngsters how to work for our national side.

[steveeastend]

What basic skills are these?

For example being used/brought up to play in patterns/triangles from a very early age on.

[Keith Lard]

lol at Collymore. What a tit. I would have said something worse but don't want to make him unhappy otherwise he'll lock himself up in a room in the dark for a week.

[andspecks]

One thing I'll say in defence of Ingerland is that nobody hated Spain when Fernando Torres got injured playing for them. In fact people still supported Spain at the WC2010.

No one gave Torres stick for going either.

[soberphobia]

I am a long way from England so i am not in touch with all the politicking of the media and the FA circus as i read on here so i only observe England from an entirely football point of view and try to figure out what they are trying to achieve. For me the squad never looks like someone is trying to get the side to play a certain way or have a unique system. Just a bunch of players picked and tried to make it work. England have some excellent young defenders and midfielders coming through but really do look weak in the striker department.

I think they need a manager who knows his ideal system and picks the best players for the system rather than trying to make the high profile players fit into a side. I know this is a captain obvious statement but if it is so obvious why hasn't anyone actually done it?

For the record I thought Capello was OK but saying a man is innocent until proven guilty and should be treated as such when the powers that be thought different was always going to be his death note.

[Hazell]

http://www.101greatgoals.com/gvideos/scott-parkers-epic-control-fail-england-v-holland/

[Alan_X]

For the record I thought Capello was OK but saying a man is innocent until proven guilty and should be treated as such when the powers that be thought different was always going to be his death note.

Except he didn't quite say that. He said it was up to the FA to decide what to do, but it's all irrelevant - he knew the FA and English press wanted him gone and he was happy to get away from FA circus and the bunch of clowns in charge of it.

[Cochise]

http://www.101greatgoals.com/gvideos/scott-parkers-epic-control-fail-england-v-holland/

I missed that during the game

[Rohit]

http://www.101greatgoals.com/gvideos/scott-parkers-epic-control-fail-england-v-holland/

LOL thanks for that again, funny how often he tried that stupid pirouette when it isn't really needed. It cost him this time when pressed. He seems very limited to be honest to play that role for me, I think he's done well for spurs but he's had modric do the possession game for him.

[MidwestWool]

Because the FA are corrupt c*nts but they don't represent England, our team do.

Did we want Liverpool to lose and laugh at our losses when Hicks and Gillett were in charge? Or even now when we've got c*nts like Ayre in charge ready to rip off our loyal regular match going fans just to squeeze some extra pennies out of daytrippers and "members", or people like Purslow as "special advisors".

England is run by c*nts. most of modern day football is, but i'll still support them even if it means I have to get behind wankers like Terry or put up with pish like Pearce.

Want a fucking medal for that? Can't believe people still beating their chests about supporting England when the captain of the club they support was treated like utter, utter shite today.

[MidwestWool]

Fuck England. Fuck Pearce. Fuck Redknapp and fuck the FA.

Is fucking right. Still not over with the way Stevie was dealt with today. Fucking raging.

[ozzy-red]

I cannot actually believe the shit that was said in the "build-up" to the game.

Well, I can believe it. I just don't want to.

What happened in the build up?
Care to elaborate for us who missed it?

[Armand9]

Match Analysis

Robben had good moments.

Now, how to pad the rest of that shit out.....

[Armand9]

What happened in the build up?
Care to elaborate for us who missed it?

Presumably refering to chiles and his mocking of cappello the 'foreigner' etc

[Red Genius]

What happened in the build up?
Care to elaborate for us who missed it?

Well basically Stevie would only not play if Siannn noshed me off - as she doesn't like camembert, he started.... got fucked and now Siannn only has to lick my bellend. That was the agreement, hope that helps.

[Phil M]

Well basically Stevie would only not play if Siannn noshed me off - as she doesn't like camembert, he started.... got fucked and now Siannn only has to lick my bellend. That was the agreement, hope that helps.

 

[Redallover11]

Seems to me that they media are always trying to influence manager but more importantly public  therfore English managers always have to toe the Medias line/public opinion and are always shoe horning the medias flavour of the month into the team. With Capello the foreigner won't listen so it's easy to attack the foreigner.

Look at Ireland under Trappatoni. Some really good technical players can't get into the set up because of what trappatoni is looking  for in a player. And He is saying that the players are not of a very high quality so you better be able to understand the system well and if you don't get it you don't play regardless if you are thought of as a better player than some one who is in the squad.

He is playing what people would say is pretty turgid football but you can't have it both ways. In order for Ireland to get results they have to sacrifice what the public think they want to see and what will work at International level. He seems to be doing a job. Remember Cyprus 2:5. Don't think that would ever happen under him.

Same with England. they need to bring in a manager that will be given the ability and time to put in place a system. After that it's about who can adapt to that system quickly and adhere to it.

England are technically just not good enough to be able to"wing it" so to speak, play laizzez faire football.

 Even players with great technical ability still believe in a very structured set up. (Spain)Eg. Amount of time closing a player down before falling back. How the whole team closes down as a unit. Where players and units  run to close down once possession is lost.
Watching Keane for Villa recently asking the midfielders to push up to help in closing down players. What the fuck? why should He be dictating that . He only just arrived on loan. He should be the one asking where to go. Same with Andy carroll looking all bewildered when He looks over his shoulder and doesent see team mates closing down. I believe this is a coaching issue that needs to be met by players. Players think they know it all and at a young age and because they are good enough to play at the highest level, they can't be told where to go on the park.
Every other sport has a trainer coach etc working constantly with their charges attempting to teach them how to get better. Boxers, swimmers, golfers etc.

Apparently trappotoni works sometimes for an hour and a half on throw in defensive positioning in certain practices.

I've been lucky enough to attend three coaching Q and A with Hans Backe at NY Red Bulls and the biggest thing He says as a modern day coach He has to contend with is players egos. At the salary they demand He says fines mean nothing to them first of all and many think they are God's gift so they don't listen as much and it's much harder to teach/coach.

[Czar]

Lot of positives for England, very young and inexperienced squad, but they showed a lot of heart and determination. Very big improvement over the previous generation just needs more experience  and some better finishing. No shame losing to the world cup finalists in a last minute deflection

Admire your optimistic look on the game.

I thought England were abysmal to be honest...Parker was constantly out of position and he never controlled the midfield like he does with Spurs...England were far too deep all match long and they didn't press high up the pitch as they should have...England lacked the movement and the creativity to play without a Target Man in attack.

Overall, if England play like this in the Euros they won't make it out of the 1st round

[redy]

How did Welbeck and Sturridge play, all biases aside? I am a huge fan of both players.

[andspecks]

Admire your optimistic look on the game.

I thought England were abysmal to be honest...Parker was constantly out of position and he never controlled the midfield like he does with Spurs...England were far too deep all match long and they didn't press high up the pitch as they should have...England lacked the movement and the creativity to play without a Target Man in attack.

Overall, if England play like this in the Euros they won't make it out of the 1st round

You mean he didn't show why he is England's leading man?!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/feb/29/scott-parker-england-captain