Topic: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation

[istvan kozma]

Talk about an over reaction.

It's not an over reaction. To downplay the opportunity this group of players had is ignorant. The last time LFC had a manager and players with championship experience, at the top of the league with 8 games to go, was over 3 decades ago. No LFC team with this much experience on & off the pitch has collapsed like this team has. To throw that opportunity away by failing to beat the worst United team in decades, and losing to teams in the bottom half of the table like Palace & Everton, as well as the 5th best team in Italy, is a shambles.

[SamLad]

It's not an over reaction. To downplay the opportunity this group of players had is ignorant. The last time LFC had a manager and players with championship experience, at the top of the league with 8 games to go, was over 3 decades ago. No LFC team with this much experience on & off the pitch has collapsed like this team has. To throw that opportunity away by failing to beat the worst United team in decades, and losing to teams in the bottom half of the table like Palace & Everton, as well as the 5th best team in Italy, is a shambles.

so has this pushed you over the edge? time to find another team for you to support maybe? 

[Pie Eyed]

The term Hocus Pocus should be forbidden from this forum in any discussion of Dutch folks.

Now Now. 

Let's Focus on the issue at hand and get back to winning Sylvia-ware.   

[Eeyore]

It's not an over reaction. To downplay the opportunity this group of players had is ignorant. The last time LFC had a manager and players with championship experience, at the top of the league with 8 games to go, was over 3 decades ago. No LFC team with this much experience on & off the pitch has collapsed like this team has. To throw that opportunity away by failing to beat the worst United team in decades, and losing to teams in the bottom half of the table like Palace & Everton, as well as the 5th best team in Italy, is a shambles.

You said we pissed away three trophies. That suggests they were there for the taking. To win the League we would have needed to win our last 10 games. To win the FA Cup we would have had to beat City in the Final. To win the Europa we would have had to beat Leverkusen.

There is a reason no one has won a quadruple it is incredibly difficult. Failing to do so isn't pissing away trophies.

[istvan kozma]

so has this pushed you over the edge? time to find another team for you to support maybe?

No, it hasn't pushed me over the edge, I'm just calling a spade a spade. Seems like people are taking for granted the opportunity the team had this season, we might not be in this situation for a long time. Arguably LFC's greatest ever player, Steven Gerrard, played his entire career & had this opportunity to win the league once.

[duvva 💅]

It's going to be hard for whoever was LFC manager going into next season. I'll be shocked if there isn't a residual effect, from the biggest on field collapse in LFC history. 3 trophies to win, all pissed away within a month, shocking.

If anything a fresh approach might be the boost required at this time.

Not that this is anything like a massive collapse. It’s disappointing and frustrating but we’ve probably achieved similar to most reasonable expectations. But miserable seems to be what you do best

[kavah]

... The fact is footballers are so aware of the importance of managing their bodies these days ...

Just thinking about LFC, the habits of Mo, Henderson and Milner must have helped create a good culture of health over the Klopp years.

[istvan kozma]

If anything a fresh approach might be the boost required at this time.

Not that this is anything like a massive collapse. It’s disappointing and frustrating but we’ve probably achieved similar to most reasonable expectations. But miserable seems to be what you do best

With 8 games to go we were top of the league, how often has that been the case in the last 30 years +?
Now a manager with no experience in a top league is taking over & is expected to have the team in the same situation in the coming years.

[istvan kozma]

You said we pissed away three trophies. That suggests they were there for the taking. To win the League we would have needed to win our last 10 games. To win the FA Cup we would have had to beat City in the Final. To win the Europa we would have had to beat Leverkusen.

There is a reason no one has won a quadruple it is incredibly difficult. Failing to do so isn't pissing away trophies.

They were. To get to 2 finals & win the league, none of the teams we would of faced are better than us.

[MonsLibpool]

It's not an over reaction. To downplay the opportunity this group of players had is ignorant. The last time LFC had a manager and players with championship experience, at the top of the league with 8 games to go, was over 3 decades ago. No LFC team with this much experience on & off the pitch has collapsed like this team has. To throw that opportunity away by failing to beat the worst United team in decades, and losing to teams in the bottom half of the table like Palace & Everton, as well as the 5th best team in Italy, is a shambles.

A good portion of our spine is inexperienced. The likes of Konate, Quansah, Endo, Darwin, Szobo haven't won the league.  There was a lack of experience right throught the most important part of the pitch.

We're quite inexperienced and you have to be borderline perfect to win it. Some of them were probably not used to that pressure to be perfect so last season was a learning experience.

[JC the Messiah]

With 8 games to go we were top of the league, how often has that been the case in the last 30 years +?
Now a manager with no experience in a top league is taking over & is expected to have the team in the same situation in the coming years.

Arguably the best manager in the world was in charge when we were top of the league with 8 games to go. So what was your point exactly?

[istvan kozma]

Arguably the best manager in the world was in charge when we were top of the league with 8 games to go. So what was your point exactly?

What's your point?

[Avens]

They were. To get to 2 finals & win the league, none of the teams we would of faced are better than us.

Yes, they were there for the taking. All we had to do was win 18 games in a row.

[istvan kozma]

A good portion of our spine is inexperienced. The likes of Konate, Quansah, Endo, Darwin, Szobo haven't won the league.  There was a lack of experience right throught the most important part of the pitch.

We're quite inexperienced and you have to be borderline perfect to win it. Some of them were probably not used to that pressure to be perfect so last season was a learning experience.

There's a core group of players who have won the league & got 97 & 92 points & played in CL & World Cup finals. No excuse to fold like LFC have at the business end of the season. All those past experiences counted for nothing in the end.

[duvva 💅]

With 8 games to go we were top of the league, how often has that been the case in the last 30 years +?
Now a manager with no experience in a top league is taking over & is expected to have the team in the same situation in the coming years.

Which is probably ahead of where we should  have been, hence why we fell away. We’re not quite ready this season.

The players are still the same. Most are young and will improve. I don’t see why we won’t challenge if the manager proves to be good enough. And none of know how it will work out so why start with a negative outlook.

[MonsLibpool]

There's a core group of players who have won the league & got 97 & 92 points & played in CL & World Cup finals. No excuse to fold like LFC have at the business end of the season. All those past experiences counted for nothing in the end.

Because this is a new set of players to a large extent and the new players are learning.

You become a winner by winning things. That's why cups should not be taken granted and it's the same reason why I'm happy that this group has won something already.

[Son of Spion]

They were. To get to 2 finals & win the league, none of the teams we would of faced are better than us.

I don't think any of the three were there for the taking. Actually, I think it was that kind of complacency that did for us against Atalanta.

In the League, I think of the top three it was always going to be us who fell away. We've been giving goals (and head starts) away for months, and you only get away with that for so long. Also, we just can't seem to keep crucial players fit, so we rarely have a full first choice side out. We had to go away to both of our traditional rivals in the run-in, who were desperate to derail us, and not winning either was no surprise.

In the FA Cup a complete fuck up at Old Trafford is par for the course for us, unfortunately. We'd also have to beat the 115* in the final. Possible, but on current form, unlikely.

Yes, we were in a good position, but we were never looking convincing. We never had a settled and fit first eleven out there. We couldn't keep a clean sheet and we were falling over ourselves to give our opponents the lead against us game after game. That fragility, coupled with the complacency that ran right through the club and fanbase over Atalanta tie, pretty much sealed our fate. This season, when the chips were down, we weren't strong enough. Nothing was there for the taking.

[SamLad]

There's a core group of players who have won the league & got 97 & 92 points & played in CL & World Cup finals. No excuse to fold like LFC have at the business end of the season. All those past experiences counted for nothing in the end.

christ you are one miserable son of a bitch aren't you?  why post all this shit on a thread dedicated to our next manager - you sound pissed off at the one who's leaving.

[istvan kozma]

Which is probably ahead of where we should  have been, hence why we fell away. We’re not quite ready.

The players are still the same. Most are young and will improve. I don’t see why we won’t challenge if the manager proves to be good enough. And none of know how it will work out so why start with a negative outlook.

Not being negative, I just understand how hard it is to win the league & when you have the opportunity you have to grab it. The likes of Virgil, Mo, & Robbo have stood on the pitch with 97 points and not have a winners medal at the end of the season.

[SamLad]

Not being negative, I just understand how hard it is to win the league & when you have the opportunity you have to grab it. The likes of Virgil, Mo, & Robbo have stood on the pitch with 97 points and not have a winners medal at the end of the season.

LMAO

[Son of Spion]

Not being negative, I just understand how hard it is to win the league & when you have the opportunity you have to grab it. The likes of Virgil, Mo, & Robbo have stood on the pitch with 97 points and not have a winners medal at the end of the season.

To be honest, I don't think we are mentally or physically strong enough to see off both Arsenal and the 115* this season. Not with a squad in transition and not with a squad that loses crucial players to injury time and time again. This is before we even get started on the utterly absurd decisions we've had against us that have costed us points.

[istvan kozma]

christ you are one miserable son of a bitch aren't you?  why post all this shit on a thread dedicated to our next manager - you sound pissed off at the one who's leaving.

What's with the insult's, play the ball not the man. In my opinion I think the collapse at the end of the season might have a bearing with what happens next season.

[Dim Glas]

geuinley folks, read the post histories of people before getting into ‘debates’ with them, it’ll be easier on your stress levels!

Mr Kozma here isn’t exactly know to be the most ‘supportive’ of fans, never mind knowledgeable about what he’s trying to engage in.

[Egyptian36]

There's a core group of players who have won the league & got 97 & 92 points & played in CL & World Cup finals. No excuse to fold like LFC have at the business end of the season. All those past experiences counted for nothing in the end.

Klopp system is all about pressing. The downside of it when players can't press effectively for whatever reason we become so open and struggle and bad planning with transfers the last few years didn't help but still without it we wouldn't have been successful. We overachieved every season under Klopp except last season because of it.

Slot seems like a very good coach but unless he is a genius like Klopp we will struggle to be successful again under FSG.

[istvan kozma]

geuinley folks, read the post histories of people before getting into ‘debates’ with them, it’ll be easier on your stress levels!

Mr Kozma here isn’t exactly know to be the most ‘supportive’ of fans, never mind knowledgeable about what he’s trying to engage in.

I'm totally knowledgeable, that's the problem. That's why you & others play the man not the ball.

[duvva 💅]

Not being negative, I just understand how hard it is to win the league & when you have the opportunity you have to grab it. The likes of Virgil, Mo, & Robbo have stood on the pitch with 97 points and not have a winners medal at the end of the season.

You are choosing to look at things in a negative way. There are other ways to look at this if you wish to.

It’s not as easy as saying we must win the league just because there was an opportunity. We weren’t good enough across the whole season.

But next season with a new manager with new ideas, who isn’t burnt out, with a set of mostly young players with more experience of these disappointments, who knows what could happen, so there’s no need to be so pessimistic unless you want to be that way.

The fact we didn’t win the league with 97 points had zero to do with us and has no relevance on next season. Who knows the PL might even hold City to account so they’re less of a problem next year

[Johnny Aldridge]

They were. To get to 2 finals & win the league, none of the teams we would of faced are better than us.

If you can’t see the cash spent difference between us and City your eyes need some serious work. We’ve been punching in a fight against a financially hopped up opponent. I can’t even count that debacle in Paris as a lost final, everyone got home alive and that was the win there.

[The Final Third]

All this talk of him idolising Guardiola is gonna piss off a lot of our fans

[tyrolean_red]

This thread has gone mad. It proves how different people see the world.

To me, I'm still down about the way went out of the title race.

However, considering the changes in the summer, the injury Situation combined with players being out of form after being out addeed with HUGE decisions against us in season defining games throughout all season, it has been quite a miracle we ever have been in a title race.

[spider-neil]

Obviously it would have been great to win more than the League Cup but our tailing off has probably helped Slot as imagine replacing the man who just won the league.

[killer-heels]

Obviously it would have been great to win more than the League Cup but our tailing off has probably helped Slot as imagine replacing the man who just won the league.

It certainly helps in terms of perception because regardless of whether we won the league or not and regardless of whether Klopp stayed or not, I personally think Liverpool finishing third next season would have been the most likely outcome.

For me there are still some big questions with this squad in that Salah is still holding this attack together and we are still relying on the class of 18-20 for our main element of quality.

If the squad doesnt add some truly quality players then I think third and a bigger gap to City and Arsenal is likely. But where Slot is helped is generally i think most people believe that and so I cant see a scenario where he gets criticised for it.

[BobPaisley3]

All this talk of him idolising Guardiola is gonna piss off a lot of our fans

Based on Sunday, he’s got two ideal 8s in McAllister and Elliott to replicate Pep’s initial Barca midfield style to a lesser extent.

[Draex]

Based on Sunday, he’s got two ideal 8s in McAllister and Elliott to replicate Pep’s initial Barca midfield style to a lesser extent.

And a young, tall, lanky Spanish no.6..

[killer-heels]

And a young, tall, lanky Spanish no.6..

God I hope thats not our midfield next season.

[spider-neil]

It certainly helps in terms of perception because regardless of whether we won the league or not and regardless of whether Klopp stayed or not, I personally think Liverpool finishing third next season would have been the most likely outcome.

For me there are still some big questions with this squad in that Salah is still holding this attack together and we are still relying on the class of 18-20 for our main element of quality.

If the squad doesnt add some truly quality players then I think third and a bigger gap to City and Arsenal is likely. But where Slot is helped is generally i think most people believe that and so I cant see a scenario where he gets criticised for it.

You say Salah is holding the attack together but there is an argument he is holding the attack back because results wise we were better when he didn't play.

[killer-heels]

You say Salah is holding the attack together but there is an argument he is holding the attack back because results wise we were better when he didn't play.

Over a relatively short period of time. Its a different case over a season.

[spider-neil]

God I hope thats not our midfield next season.

I think Baj needs a season on loan to get first team minutes in his legs.
Elliott has done well recently but I don't think he has the pace or physicality to start in Liverpool. There's no point bringing up Arsenal's slow small players, our game is based on pace, strength and physicality and the further we get away from that the worse we get. I think carry one such player in midfield or attack but no more.

[spider-neil]

Over a relatively short period of time. Its a different case over a season.

Get used to it because I will be amazed if Salah is still a Liverpool player when the summer transfer window closes.

[killer-heels]

Get used to it because I will be amazed if Salah is still a Liverpool player when the summer transfer window closes.

Thats fine if we have signed another star player or two. The idea that we bank on Nunez, Gakpo, Diaz and Jota as our attack next season is silly.

[spider-neil]

Thats fine if we have signed another star player or two. The idea that we bank on Nunez, Gakpo, Diaz and Jota as our attack next season is silly.

We shouldn't be playing more than two forwards in a game. We should be looking to play 2 forwards and 4 midfielders and aim to be more solid rather than play 3 forwards to become more prolific. With three forwards we're too open.