Topic: The Impending Summer, George Gillett and Fancard Farce

[Liverbird 2010]

I don't know but I do you know you are vehemently opposed to the idea of a shared stadium so the question is would that be worse than what G&H are doing?

DIC will get the same treatment if they even dare attempt a groundshare it will get burned down before its even built.

We are not the bad guys they are, we just want whats best for our club, the club I grew up loving as much as a member of my family I am starting to hate and it fuckin kills me.

SOS and thousands of others feel the same we want to love our club again but we cant until we have an exorcism ridding it from Diablo & Satan.

[Liverbird 2010]

but I was wondering, could you get yourself on GD and sort some of those little 12 year olds out?

Whats GD mate?

[Phoenix06]

Whats GD mate?

General Discussion. It's the free service, open from 5pm-8pm.

I've read your posts, and I'm so glad you've spread the word to your friends, and is it you that refused to buy merchandise for your kids?

I respect you for that. I wish I had better luck.

[kingjari]

Look, DIC/Dubai Holdings will both look for extra revenue streams, which means possibly ripping us off, and they'd probably keep the new fancard scheme, but lower the price.

They'll both look for extra revenue streams. I wrote a massive piece in here about what possible actions would be conducted should a Dubai takeover be successful by either DIC/Dubai Holdings/Sheikh Mohammed. Either way, Sameer Al Ansari will be a pivotal role in the future of the club and will have a massive impact on it.

I'll try and find it and paste it in, and see what you think.

Is that really an informed opinion mate ?

or just more assumptions and guesswork patched together from the dearth of information that can be found on RAWK ?

Its sounds feasible but IMO too good to be true.

[Liverbird 2010]

and is it you that refused to buy merchandise for your kids?

I respect you for that. I wish I had better luck.

No offence Phoenix but the TV forum is shite Ive only ever read a topic from a link once and it was full of Gillet & Hicks lovers knocked me sick.
Ive only got one a little lad who loves Liverpool but he will not be getting any new kits and he will not be going to any more games whilst our owners are incharge instead of buying him the new kit I bought him an Mp4 player instead.

Educating people about G & H is like educating people not to buy the S*n just dont give them your money anymore, thats the only things that hurt greedy lying bastards.

[reds88]

Is there a difference in ownership between G+H and DIC?  Fore sure LFC is in precarious shape financially now with the massive loans loaded onto the club.  Assuming the worse of DIC, the threat of financial fiasco is years down the road.  So between the 2 DIC is the obvious preference.  Of course Share Liverpool would be the ideal but the chances of being successful is slim and there's still not enough money even.

As to questions to be asked of DIC.  Definitely there will be many hard questions which will be asked.  Can and will DIC answer them right now?  I don't think so. 

Speaking to fellow Reds fans in Singapore, all want G+H out without question.
The thing is that we have even less influence than the folks in the UK since most of us aren't even to attend a single match in Anfield or participate in any protests. 

[Phoenix06]

@ Phoenix06

Is that really an informed opinion mate ?

or just more assumptions and guesswork patched together from the dearth of information that can be found on RAWK ?

Its sounds feasible but IMO too good to be true.

Based on what I've seen (not articles, but for real), and patchwork. Look, from what I've seen and heard, this is what in theory could be a real possibility.

No offence Phoenix but the TV forum is shite Ive only ever read a topic from a link once and it was full of Gillet & Hicks lovers knocked me sick.
Ive only got one a little lad who loves Liverpool but he will not be getting any new kits and he will not be going to any more games whilst our owners are incharge instead of buying him the new kit I bought him an Mp4 player instead.

Educating people about G & H is like educating people not to buy the S*n just dont give them your money anymore, thats the only things that hurt greedy lying bastards.

The club haven't received a single penny from me since February. It's hardwork, and some people just aren't prepared to listen. They don't care, but they know that I'm a diehard that will keep fighting. I've had luck with that rag of a newspaper though. I've got the Hillsborough wristband, and lots of people asked about it, and not one S*n newspaper has been brought in since. When Man Utd won the Champions League (sick), someone put the S*n page of it on the balcony we have, and security had it removed due to the offensive nature that the newspaper had to people. It was great.

[RedJam70]

I really cannot see DIC being at all forthcoming about making public what they plan to do IF they takeover. Why would they? I can see the newspaper articles now.. DIC will do this, that and the other WHEN they've bought LFC. There'll be no maybe about it.

If they are in negotiations, then that could jepoardise them, can't see G&H being happy with DIC putting the cart before the horse so to speak. If they're not in negotiations then DIC get roundly slapped in the face and laughed at by G&H when they tell the world they're not selling. Neither scenario is good for a respected and professional international company's image. I suspect SOS or anyone else can ask questions till they're blue in the face and they won't get answers until DIC are ready to spill. There may be rumours in the meantime but not until the deal is done will anything concrete come out. Imo anyway.

So there's the devil you know or the devil you don't. Or sitting on the fence because there's not enough information although I've heard that can lead to splinters in your backside but fair enough if that's what you want. Making a decision now doesn't mean ignoring the wider or even possible negative ramifications of DIC ownership or just jumping on a G&H out bandwgon it's just making a decision on the available information. For me it's the devil I don't because I believe they'll be better for us. I'll be wary until their actions prove I shouldn't be but that would be true no matter what they said now. But on the whole I'd rather take the chance with DIC than not.

[Liverbird 2010]

Speaking to fellow Reds fans in Singapore, all want G+H out without question.
The thing is that we have even less influence than the folks in the UK since most of us aren't even to attend a single match in Anfield or participate in any protests.

There is a way you can help dont buy any merchandise and spread the word, the only thing that hurts greedy buisness men is in their pockets.
The pair of them are banking on global marketing of LFC but if there is not much profit coming in from over seas BECAUSE OF THEM they will soon get the message.

[TSC]

Is there a difference in ownership between G+H and DIC?  Fore sure LFC is in precarious shape financially now with the massive loans loaded onto the club.  Assuming the worse of DIC, the threat of financial fiasco is years down the road.  So between the 2 DIC is the obvious preference.  Of course Share Liverpool would be the ideal but the chances of being successful is slim and there's still not enough money even.

As to questions to be asked of DIC.  Definitely there will be many hard questions which will be asked.  Can and will DIC answer them right now?  I don't think so. 

Speaking to fellow Reds fans in Singapore, all want G+H out without question.
The thing is that we have even less influence than the folks in the UK since most of us aren't even to attend a single match in Anfield or participate in any protests. 

It's good to know that even in Singapore these idiots are recognised and vilified for what they are.  Keep spreading the word.  Get these idiots out of the club.  Don't buy anything that will contribute to their coffers.  Don't buy anything LFC related while they're in charge. 

[OsirisMVZ]

and i've no idea what kraft would have brought.

Robert Kraft is the one person who'd have turned out just as c*ntish as these two twits we've got with us now. His NFL team basically lowball all the players on their wages, and he has a Head Coach named Bill Belichick who is widely regarded around America as a nasty filthy cheating bastard. Look "Spygate" up on wiki to see what that bastard is all about.

In regards to SoS, I'm glad their sticking up for our club. No matter how futile and hopeless the situation seems, keep on fighting. It's the Liverpool way. Be proud of yourselves.

[west_london_red]

Any gurantees from DIC are as binding as the ones made by those two twats when they gave their first press confrence. SOS or whoever can ask the right questions of DIC, and no doubt they will get the 'right' answers regardless of what happens in the future, so in all honesty asking those questions is quite pointless.

All we have to go by is two things, the current situation, and for want of a better phrase, 'gut instinct'

With regards to the current situation, as I and many others have said, th I appear to have inadvertently attempted to make a very lame and tired joke. I do apologise for the poor standard of my posts and I promise not to do it again  and at worst stay the same with DIC.

As for gut instict, who was actually happy at the time to hear that G&H had bought the club? Im sure i wasnt the only one to get a sinking feeling as soon as the deal was announced, nevermind after looking up the champioship results of the Dallas Stars, Texas Rangers and Montreal Canadiens on Wikipedia (theres a hint Mr Moores). Sadly that time my gut instinct was proven right, and now im sure im not the only one who has a gut feeling DIC will be able to turn the situation around.

Thats is prety much all we have to go on, but right now its enough for me and probably many others on this forum

[Sir Harvest Fields]

There is a way you can help dont buy any merchandise and spread the word, the only thing that hurts greedy buisness men is in their pockets.
The pair of them are banking on global marketing of LFC but if there is not much profit coming in from over seas BECAUSE OF THEM they will soon get the message.

you are right Lyndsey. trouble is for everyone of us willing to not pay there are hundreds that will. My sis-in-law got the new shirt last week and i told her etc that she shouldn't and she just doesnt get it.

Some ppl are happy wallowing in ignorance and have no idea whats going on behind the scenes.She dont have the internet so its harder for her to find things out.

A minor victory was getting her to bin that shithole rag. And my neighbours wont talk to me after i gave them a volley after finding said rag given to us by them for lighting the fire. id rather go cold than use that to light my fire.

anyway going off on one here lol.

[a former tribune of the plebs]

A minor victory was getting her to bin that shithole rag. And my neighbours wont talk to me after i gave them a volley after finding said rag given to us by them for lighting the fire. id rather go cold than use that to light my fire.

Not having a go but isnt it more useful to educate than "give a volley", so to speak

[BrettD]

Fuck me, I don't know where I've been for the last couple of days but I completely missed this thread. The fan card issue has wound me up something rotten. £29 a year instead of a £3.50 one-off payment? Fucking greedy bastards.

I've read through all of the thread and taken in the different arguments and I agree that DIC are still somewhat an unknown quantity when it comes to their 'behaviour' if the do buy Dumb & Dumber out but one thing is for certain. THEY ARE FANS. Proper fans, OOC's yes, but fans. Fans like us that don't want to see a groundshare, or get fans priced out of games. I'm pretty sure we wouldn't be on the lookout for free full-backs if DIC were in charge, or having to buy players for the first team rather than (possibly) the best British youngster in the game today.

[Sir Harvest Fields]

Not having a go but isnt it more useful to educate than "give a volley", so to speak

nah hes a manc.brains of dynamite. he knows about it and probably did it to wind me up

[No666]

All we have to go by is two things, the current situation, and for want of a better phrase, 'gut instinct'

With regards to the current situation, as I and many others have said, th I appear to have inadvertently attempted to make a very lame and tired joke. I do apologise for the poor standard of my posts and I promise not to do it again  and at worst stay the same with DIC.

As for gut instict, who was actually happy at the time to hear that G&H had bought the club? Im sure i wasnt the only one to get a sinking feeling as soon as the deal was announced, nevermind after looking up the champioship results of the Dallas Stars, Texas Rangers and Montreal Canadiens on Wikipedia (theres a hint Mr Moores). Sadly that time my gut instinct was proven right, and now im sure im not the only one who has a gut feeling DIC will be able to turn the situation around.

Thats is prety much all we have to go on, but right now its enough for me and probably many others on this forum

We can all look at the way Twit and Twat have done business elsewhere and how they have conducted themselves here and form an opinion. Someone said, a key matter is the fact that they do not seem to be backing Rafa in the transfer market, yet we can be sure they will put pressure on him to succeed next season in one competition or another. (I suspect CL is their priority for obvious reasons.) Let's say, we fund all our transfers through sales this summer - they will be relatively happy with another semi win and 4th place; return for investment it will be a good deal. But let's say Tottenham and Man City spend big, and we end up fifth. It's not hard to envisage a situation in which our manager and top players start leaving the club. Everything is balanced on a knife edge for us now. It's like being dependent on someone else's results to know where you'll end up in the PL. That's what we've got to look forward to under H&G. The only thing we can do is make our contempt for them known. And in my book SoS has been very clever in the recent protests it has chosen to stage, because there's an element of ironic humour to them. As I keep banging on in these threads, we may not be able to influence H&G selling directly, but we can help create a perception of them as incompetent buffoons. That is what Hicks fears so much he has hired THREE PR firms to try to counter. I'm a journo, and I was taught v early on that a mention in an article has a beneficial effect on the shares of a company. (Not even share-tipping articles.) Ditto, the market is sensitive to bad publicity - remember Gerald Ratner's throwaway joke that ruined his entire empire? SoS has not painted H&G as ruthless, effective businessmen in their actions but as inadequate and laughable. That is clever. It all starts creating an impression. The more we ridicule them, the more we spread that image into the zeitgeist, and thereby to the banks. And there are so many of us anarchic, unruly, ungovernable fans, their PR companies do not stand a chance countering us over the long-term.

[west_london_red]

We can all look at the way Twit and Twat have done business elsewhere and how they have conducted themselves here and form an opinion. Someone said, a key matter is the fact that they do not seem to be backing Rafa in the transfer market, yet we can be sure they will put pressure on him to succeed next season in one competition or another. (I suspect CL is their priority for obvious reasons.) Let's say, we fund all our transfers through sales this summer - they will be relatively happy with another semi win and 4th place; return for investment it will be a good deal. But let's say Tottenham and Man City spend big, and we end up fifth. It's not hard to envisage a situation in which our manager and top players start leaving the club. Everything is balanced on a knife edge for us now. It's like being dependent on someone else's results to know where you'll end up in the PL. That's what we've got to look forward to under H&G. The only thing we can do is make our contempt for them known. And in my book SoS has been very clever in the recent protests it has chosen to stage, because there's an element of ironic humour to them. As I keep banging on in these threads, we may not be able to influence H&G selling directly, but we can help create a perception of them as incompetent buffoons. That is what Hicks fears so much he has hired THREE PR firms to try to counter. I'm a journo, and I was taught v early on that a mention in an article has a beneficial effect on the shares of a company. (Not even share-tipping articles.) Ditto, the market is sensitive to bad publicity - remember Gerald Ratner's throwaway joke that ruined his entire empire? SoS has not painted H&G as ruthless, effective businessmen in their actions but as inadequate and laughable. That is clever. It all starts creating an impression. The more we ridicule them, the more we spread that image into the zeitgeist, and thereby to the banks. And there are so many of us anarchic, unruly, ungovernable fans, their PR companies do not stand a chance countering us over the long-term.

Not sure why you quoted me, but thanks none the less! I also mentioned in another post the threat from Man city and Spurs in the coming seasons as they spend heavily to get into the champions leage. But, this could well speed up the exit of G&H, as either they will have to start spending to keep up, or not qualify for the CL, which will totally destroy their financial plans due to the loss of CL money and reduction in sponsorship, as well as make it tougher to borrow any more money.

I know its not something i should be hoping to happen, as it may well mean some of out better players and Rafa walk, but it does have its plus points as i can only see it encouraging the c*nts to leave

[TSC]

How about you just re-read all my posts.

In short, ive proposed we ask some telling questions to our potential suitors, other posters here agreed, sos included. 

sos have dic's ear so it wont be to thin air unless they(dic) are unwilling to answer those questions.

You sent me a PM with the following content, in response to my previous post concerning the fact I don't believe things could get any worse under new owners (DIC);

"4pools post is riddled with examples of how dic or any new owner could be worse. as are some of mine.

not saying any of that would transpire or that it negates what the yanks have done, just throwing it open for general musing."

4pools posts are often riddled with inaccuracies, but little else.  I've read your posts and you don't state in what area things could be worse.

I'm not going to reply in a PM as the debate should be in this thread.

In your view how could things be worse?

[elsombreroman]

I think that it's too early to call the new system a farce - ok so they are making us cough up an extra 29 pound but why is it a farce if it means it reduces touts?

[bushy2812]

I think that it's too early to call the new system a farce - ok so they are making us cough up an extra 29 pound but why is it a farce if it means it reduces touts?

Probably because the reduction in ticket touts is an excuse. The main aim is to create an annual revenue stream that goes to the club, knowing that it will be a good earner as there will be some people who register who wont even get to a game in a season, that is £20 odd they wouldn't therefore have had.

To build a business you look at increasing all possible recurring revenue streams. Simple really.

If they really wanted to reduce touts they would just stick more undercover policemen out there to do it. It is a cover story simple as that really.

[-HH-]

I think that it's too early to call the new system a farce - ok so they are making us cough up an extra 29 pound but why is it a farce if it means it reduces touts?

Do you know how many fancard holders there are? That £29 will make them millions a year, maybe even tens of millions.

Fancards are currently £3.50 as a one off charge. If this £29 was a one off charge it would be an 800% increase. It's not, it's a yearly charge. And the charge won't stop touts. Fancard entry for every home game would, but the infrastructure for that is already in place, and doesn't require an extra fee.

[kopite@m45]

This may seem daft, but last week I was talking to a ManU supporter in the showers (as you do) and he was frustrated that he couldn't get tickets for the games and was having to get a fan-club type ticket (or whatever they call it) for £35 per season. Of course I told him he was being ripped off and there is no way this would ever happen at Liverpool.

For years now I have been laughing at the little scams that they have at OT to screw every bit of revenue out of people who are desperate to go but just can't. These people have families, low paid or no jobs and just can't afford to go on a regular basis. As with Liverpool supporters, we all cling on to going 2 or 3 times a year just to let a ray of sunlight into our miserable lives.

But now truly, if this charge of £35 is correct then there is no way that I will go again. A seasie is well out of the question, not just for the PL games but in copying another ManU scam, in tying hard working people down to paying through the nose until they just can't afford any more and someone with a fatter wallet comes along.

I'm starting to think that there will be no new stadium, they can squeeze the blood out of the 80,000 people who are desperate enough to try for one of a few thousand tickets on a premium rate phone line.

So, well done Mr Moores, Mr Parry, Twit & Twat. After nearly forty years going to Anfield and dozens of other grounds, if you proceed with this then I'm finished. Your greed and avarice has just cast me adrift - so long.

[smicer claus is coming to town]

To me it seems the pro-H&G/anti-DIC brigade are getting a little desparate now if they are using the stadium as a way argue against DIC. G&H  say no groundshare, no "parrybowl", greatest stadium ever etc..... but until they actually build something who gives a fuck what they say. They also said no debt on the club... we klnow what happened there in the end.

If DIC come in, the worst they could do is not build the stadium, load the cub with debt and not spend anything on transfers..... no wait.... thats where we are now. We basically have nothing to loose with DIC compared to where we are now, but everything to gain.

I don't think anyone is particularly "pro" Gillett and Hicks are they? Not from what I've seen, there's just people who are willing to discuss the situation sensibly and in their own quiet fashion, and those who are more outspoken. Personally I don't associate with SOS because I don't agree with the way they go about things, not necessarily because I don't agree with their philosophies.

[redprodigal]

I think that it's too early to call the new system a farce - ok so they are making us cough up an extra 29 pound but why is it a farce if it means it reduces touts?

Can't you see what's happening? £29 that you didn't have to spend last season, £29 to spend before you even get the chance of a ticket, £29 in the Tumour's bank account before a ball is kicked. Multiply £29 by the thousands who will be buying them. This is just the start ffs.

[Shanks1965]

I think that it's too early to call the new system a farce - ok so they are making us cough up an extra 29 pound but why is it a farce if it means it reduces touts?

All in favour of reducing touts but why should we have to pay for it?

touting is theclubs problme, not the supporters.

Anyway, how about we propose the players all put their hands in their pockets and pay our £29 for us as a thank you to the 12th man?

[west_london_red]

If you did agree with SOS's philosophies (hypothetically), how would you suggest they go about things may i ask?

By the way, im neither a memeber (currently) or in any way associated with SOS, but do 'lean' their way. thought id make that clear now.

I don't think anyone is particularly "pro" Gillett and Hicks are they? Not from what I've seen, there's just people who are willing to discuss the situation sensibly and in their own quiet fashion, and those who are more outspoken. Personally I don't associate with SOS because I don't agree with the way they go about things, not necessarily because I don't agree with their philosophies.

[zimmy]

I don't think anyone is particularly "pro" Gillett and Hicks are they? Not from what I've seen, there's just people who are willing to discuss the situation sensibly and in their own quiet fashion, and those who are more outspoken. Personally I don't associate with SOS because I don't agree with the way they go about things, not necessarily because I don't agree with their philosophies.

oh no it's more than that with you. i have read some of your posts and you just can't wait to stick the knife in to anything SOS do. frankly some of your quotes are unbelievable coming from a so called LFC supporter. you also seem to cast doubts on DiC with no reasoned argument just a load of utter waffle. I am not a member of SOS so i am impartial but i do believe these guys are trying to do there best for the club and all LFC supporters and should be given credit for that. they are willing to do it in there own free time and i am sure they could do without your vitriolic comments. maybe you think they should ask your personal opinion on every decision, would that make you feel more important? at this moment in time the one aim of every LFC supporter should be the fast removal of hicks and gillette and have faith that people in SOS will get some assurances from prospective new owners. i am quite confident in there ability to do that.

[coffeehead]

I think that it's too early to call the new system a farce - ok so they are making us cough up an extra 29 pound but why is it a farce if it means it reduces touts?

This comment simply beggars belief 

[johnnyf]

This whole affair with the Yanks is simply making me feel sick.  They are ruining my club, our club and it hurts to see what is happening and what is around the corner.

I`m answering Post one on this thread without reading the other  posts but what I`d like to say is that the situation we are in is no different that the position the PL and CL champions are in.



AM I WRONG??


Our DEBT is Discussed by us in every detail while ignoring the 660 mil dept the Mancs are in.We`ll pay back the debt by selling on the club(Once It has the stadium and set up Moores couldn`t dream of).

The Glaziers can`t maintain the debt they are in,but will still make a profit when they put ManU back on the Market a yr before they have to repay the interest etc.

[coffeehead]

I don't think anyone is particularly "pro" Gillett and Hicks are they?

Tell me you're joking? Have you actually used your eyes? We have the whole gamut of opinions here including those who are very definitely pro-Hicks (interestingly there are far fewer pro-Gillett posters; indeed, those who are pro-Hicks are often slightly anti-Gillett. It's as if Hicks draws the adoration of a certain kind of fan idiot person ).

Some are so pro-Hicks and what they are saying is so similar to each other that one can't help think they're in his pay (or working for one of his many PR firms) and writing from a script.

Of course we also have those who pretend they are completely neutral while dripping pro-Hicks sentiment from every word. Naming no names, of course

[west_london_red]

oh no it's more than that with you. i have read some of your posts and you just can't wait to stick the knife in to anything SOS do. frankly some of your quotes are unbelievable coming from a so called LFC supporter. you also seem to cast doubts on DiC with no reasoned argument just a load of utter waffle. I am not a member of SOS so i am impartial but i do believe these guys are trying to do there best for the club and all LFC supporters and should be given credit for that. they are willing to do it in there own free time and i am sure they could do without your vitriolic comments. maybe you think they should ask your personal opinion on every decision, would that make you feel more important? at this moment in time the one aim of every LFC supporter should be the fast removal of hicks and gillette and have faith that people in SOS will get some assurances from prospective new owners. i am quite confident in there ability to do that.

While not wanting to single out any individual, i do find it hard to understand how anyone can doubt SOS's motives. Yes there are probably a few who go OTT, but that is the same in any group and shouldnt tarnish the name of SOS or the people behind it. They spend their own time (and probably money in some cases) to make a stand against the greedy bastards who have taken root in our club, and i for one appreciate that.

Thanks guys

[coffeehead]

I`m answering Post one on this thread without reading the other  posts but what I`d like to say is that the situation we are in is no different that the position the PL and CL champions are in.



AM I WRONG??


Our DEBT is Discussed by us in every detail while ignoring the 660 mil dept the Mancs are in.We`ll pay back the debt by selling on the club(Once It has the stadium and set up Moores couldn`t dream of).

The Glaziers can`t maintain the debt they are in,but will still make a profit when they put ManU back on the Market a yr before they have to repay the interest etc.

Back on message I see; yer boss will be pleased.

Just answer this: how are you expecting the club to be funded to regular success with such huge debt servicing costs? Man U's case and ours is nowhere near analogous.

But then if you were actually interested in thr topic instead of merely lionising Hicks, you'd know that. Wouldn't you?

[west_london_red]

Tell me you're joking? Have you actually used your eyes? We have the whole gamut of opinions here including those who are very definitely pro-Hicks (interestingly there are far fewer pro-Gillett posters; indeed, those who are pro-Hicks are often slightly anti-Gillett. It's as if Hicks draws the adoration of a certain kind of fan idiot person ).

Some are so pro-Hicks and what they are saying is so similar to each other that one can't help think they're in his pay (or working for one of his many PR firms) and writing from a script.

Of course we also have those who pretend they are completely neutral while dripping pro-Hicks sentiment from every word. Naming no names, of course

Yeah, i thought i was going mad when i read that?

[johnnyf]

Tell me you're joking? Have you actually used your eyes? We have the whole gamut of opinions here including those who are very definitely pro-Hicks (interestingly there are far fewer pro-Gillett posters; indeed, those who are pro-Hicks are often slightly anti-Gillett. It's as if Hicks draws the adoration of a certain kind of fan idiot person ).

Some are so pro-Hicks and what they are saying is so similar to each other that one can't help think they're in his pay (or working for one of his many PR firms) and writing from a script.

Of course we also have those who pretend they are completely neutral while dripping pro-Hicks sentiment from every word. Naming no names, of course ;)I work for a mobile phone company in Ireland and believe that TH/GG took over the club with profit in mind.

Profit =Fans devotion/expenditure/New stadium,New Stadium naming Rites,TV rites etc.

I believe that when the Yanks got involved they thought they could tick all boxes.

1.Buy Liverpool at a cut price.
2.Make liverpool the most sucessfull club in Europe.
3.Sell on for a huge profit.

Simple AS.

[west_london_red]

No offence johnny, but most people dont give a toss about united, were more worried about the mess on our own doorstep.

would love to see united in financial meltdown though, and i reckon your right, united will be sold soon for a hefty profit

I`m answering Post one on this thread without reading the other  posts but what I`d like to say is that the situation we are in is no different that the position the PL and CL champions are in.



AM I WRONG??


Our DEBT is Discussed by us in every detail while ignoring the 660 mil dept the Mancs are in.We`ll pay back the debt by selling on the club(Once It has the stadium and set up Moores couldn`t dream of).

The Glaziers can`t maintain the debt they are in,but will still make a profit when they put ManU back on the Market a yr before they have to repay the interest etc.

[jaymc]

£29, what a fucking joke. Defo not paying that next season. Cheeky bastards.

[jaymc]

Fuck me, I don't know where I've been for the last couple of days but I completely missed this thread. The fan card issue has wound me up something rotten. £29 a year instead of a £3.50 one-off payment? Fucking greedy bastards.

I've read through all of the thread and taken in the different arguments and I agree that DIC are still somewhat an unknown quantity when it comes to their 'behaviour' if the do buy Dumb & Dumber out but one thing is for certain. THEY ARE FANS. Proper fans, OOC's yes, but fans. Fans like us that don't want to see a groundshare, or get fans priced out of games. I'm pretty sure we wouldn't be on the lookout for free full-backs if DIC were in charge, or having to buy players for the first team rather than (possibly) the best British youngster in the game today.

How are they real fans? Have they been going the match for years? I want them two bastards out, but once we get them out we need to let new owners know also thet we wont be arse raped any longer.
Agree that we'd buy better players with DIC, but stil think fans would continue to be ripped off, which is my biiger gripe to be honest.

[chanti]

Cant believe some guys even contemplating that DIC might be worse.FFS

[jaymc]

Cant believe some guys even contemplating that DIC might be worse.FFS

Never said they'd be worse, think they'd be better. Still think fans would get ripped off though. It was happening for years before they came, just it'll go to another level now. Just think that some people are airing on the side of caution before hailing potential new investors as saviours. Everyone did that last time and we looked like tits.