Topic: Arsenal

[deFacto please, you bastards]

I am glad he stood up for himself and said what he said.

[arthur sarnoff]

Turkish background no?

Seriously, read what he wrote.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

Excellent stuff, it takes a lot of courage to do this.

Would've taken the same courage not to meet up with the turdburger Erdogan.

[Dim Glas]

Turkish background no?

yes, but that doesn't correlate to 'he should have played for Turkey'. He's a German - born and raised.

You should read the statement, cos it's actually very much about this point, of people always saying he's German Turkish, rather than German, wheras others, such as Germans of Polish desent, never get referred to as 'German Polish'.  And that he's German when Germany do well,but an immigrant when they don't.

 

[The North Bank]

Very interesting read, he asks some very hard questions.

The plus side is that a fired up Özil could be perfect for Arsenal.

[Gerry Attrick]

Honestly, anybody that meets Erdogan goes right down in my estimations. Absolutely abhorrent person.

[Bjinxi]

I am really surprised there are people on here congratulating Özil for his statement... Maybe it has something to do with me living in Germany but anyways.

I've read all three parts and whilst I agree that he was made a scapegoat for their performance - it is a joke how he wants to shift the blame to anyone but him...

Criticizing officials openly and claiming the press to do "right" propaganda is a horrible accusation.

No one would have criticized Özil if he had taken pictures with a president from any country at all, but with Erdogan it is different.

I don't want to get into political discussions but he should know how critical Erdogan and his "dictator" like behavior is viewed here and that the majority is not in favor of him, especially the way how disrespectful he talks about germans all the time.

If Özil was as german as he claimed he would have known this beforehand and claiming that he doesn't want to be used for political propaganda whilst simultaneously posing for a picture with Erdogan, who was on a election campaign and would definitely use the picture for this reason - can only be a joke.

He should be honest about this and not use the "race"-card and such. I am sure there were mistakes made on both sides, especially after the foto but to not take any blame at all is ridiculous.

He should have done it like Emre Can, who had an invitation as well as the Turkish roots but declined it, because he didn't want to take part in a political campaign at all....

Anyways he is a good player but hides in the big occasions... I think Germany will cope without him...

[deFacto please, you bastards]

Would've taken the same courage not to meet up with the turdburger Erdogan.

It's his right to do what he wants, it's not about the political aspect for him as he explained it's because he is the Turkish president, and that was an honor for him, considering his background and his family.

He said it better himself so read the full statement.

PS Xherdan Shekiri met with an Kosovar leader and took pictures with him despite playing for Switzerland.

 

[deFacto please, you bastards]

I am really surprised there are people on here congratulating Özil for his statement... Maybe it has something to do with me living in Germany but anyways.

I've read all three parts and whilst I agree that he was made a scapegoat for their performance - it is a joke how he wants to shift the blame to anyone but him...

Criticizing officials openly and claiming the press to do "right" propaganda is a horrible accusation.

No one would have criticized Özil if he had taken pictures with a president from any country at all, but with Erdogan it is different.

I don't want to get into political discussions but he should know how critical Erdogan and his "dictator" like behavior is viewed here and that the majority is not in favor of him, especially the way how disrespectful he talks about germans all the time.

If Özil was as german as he claimed he would have known this beforehand and claiming that he doesn't want to be used for political propaganda whilst simultaneously posing for a picture with Erdogan, who was on a election campaign and would definitely use the picture for this reason - can only be a joke.

He should be honest about this and not use the "race"-card and such. I am sure there were mistakes made on both sides, especially after the foto but to not take any blame at all is ridiculous.

He should have done it like Emre Can, who had an invitation as well as the Turkish roots but declined it, because he didn't want to take part in a political campaign at all....

Anyways he is a good player but hides in the big occasions... I think Germany will cope without him...

Can did what he wanted, Ozil did what he wanted. Your press and your German FA come out as massive twats in this and your country does have a right wing problem.

If he was as German as he claimed? Wtf are you on about? He was born in Germany. Your reaction is the exact thing he was talking about

[FlashGordon]

I am really surprised there are people on here congratulating Özil for his statement... Maybe it has something to do with me living in Germany but anyways.

I've read all three parts and whilst I agree that he was made a scapegoat for their performance - it is a joke how he wants to shift the blame to anyone but him...

Criticizing officials openly and claiming the press to do "right" propaganda is a horrible accusation.

No one would have criticized Özil if he had taken pictures with a president from any country at all, but with Erdogan it is different.

I don't want to get into political discussions but he should know how critical Erdogan and his "dictator" like behavior is viewed here and that the majority is not in favor of him, especially the way how disrespectful he talks about germans all the time.

If Özil was as german as he claimed he would have known this beforehand and claiming that he doesn't want to be used for political propaganda whilst simultaneously posing for a picture with Erdogan, who was on a election campaign and would definitely use the picture for this reason - can only be a joke.

He should be honest about this and not use the "race"-card and such. I am sure there were mistakes made on both sides, especially after the foto but to not take any blame at all is ridiculous.

He should have done it like Emre Can, who had an invitation as well as the Turkish roots but declined it, because he didn't want to take part in a political campaign at all....

Anyways he is a good player but hides in the big occasions... I think Germany will cope without him...

Erdogan is a twat, Ozil is a twat for meeting him, but that in no way excuses some of the shit he has had to put up with (allegedly). If any of this is true then the German F.A need to root it out.

[Dim Glas]

Jürgen Klopp commented on this whole thing last week by the way, in defence of Gundogan and Özil, may as well stick his brief quotes in here:

"It's complete nonsense," (the call for them to retire) Klopp said. "The intelligent people of this country demand tolerance. And the others should shut up and not question the boys (Gundogan and Ozil, who also met Erdogan).

"Both were certainly not very well advised in this matter. Older, more experienced people should have helped them there.

"We should not forget that the two of them have Turkish roots even though they grew up here in Germany.

"But it is the same as always: the one who cries the loudest is the one who hears the most. But that's never been my thing."

[WhereAngelsPlay]

It's his right to do what he wants, it's not about the political aspect for him as he explained it's because he is the Turkish president, and that was an honor for him, considering his background and his family.

He said it better himself so read the full statement.

PS Xherdan Shekiri met with an Kosovar leader and took pictures with him despite playing for Switzerland.

 

You have missed my point & I have read it.

[FlashGordon]

It's his right to do what he wants, it's not about the political aspect for him as he explained it's because he is the Turkish president, and that was an honor for him, considering his background and his family.

He said it better himself so read the full statement.

PS Xherdan Shekiri met with an Kosovar leader and took pictures with him despite playing for Switzerland.

 

Nah there's no excuses for meeting with Erdogan, it's not that he's the Turkish President it's to do with the fact he's one of the biggest arseholes on the planet.

[lorenzo]

yes, but that doesn't correlate to 'he should have played for Turkey'. He's a German - born and raised.

You should read the statement, cos it's actually very much about this point, of people always saying he's German Turkish, rather than German, wheras others, such as Germans of Polish desent, never get referred to as 'German Polish'.  And that he's German when Germany do well,but an immigrant when they don't.

Mate sorry i think your getting it all wrong, i don't care about all that i am on Ozil side here i was just saying if he did play for Turkey none of this was happening. I am not trying to insult Ozil in anyway here if that how it seems then sorry.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

Nah there's no excuses for meeting with Erdogan, it's not that he's the Turkish President it's to do with the fact he's one of the biggest arseholes on the planet.

That's great and all thats your opinion, he has a right for his own, that has nothing to do with the points he raise, all valid.

[J_Kopite]

That's great and all thats your opinion, he has a right for his own, that has nothing to do with the points he raise, all valid.

Frankly I think he deserved to be slaughtered for meeting Erdogan, but obviously not racially abused or having his ‘Germanness’ questioned.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

Why are you talking about my country i never said i am german... i just live there and thats it but thank you anyway so as an immigrant i should know... and yeah its just germany with the right wing Problem...not turkey, italy, the netherlands, austria and what about brexit....... o.O

Of course he can do what he wants but he should have known about how people would judge this.... being criticised for it is okay - racially abused of course and definitely not.

What does it matter what problems Turkey,Italy Holands and Austria have? Does Ozil play for them, is he a citizen of any of those countries? I never said Germany is the only with the issue, but why would I bring up the rest when the rest is irrelevant to the matter?

[Bjinxi]

What does it matter what problems Turkey,Italy Holands and Austria have? Does Ozil play for them, is he a citizen of any of those countries? I never said Germany is the only with the issue, but why would I bring up the rest when the rest is irrelevant to the matter?

I will just leave it at that - there is no point in a political discussion on a football forum... The last thing i will say on this matter is:


Imo:

Özil was badly adviced or misjudged the reaction but he can do what he wants
Being racially abused for that is not okay in any way
Being critisised on a professional level is okay and justified if people think his actions violated everything germany or the national team stand for
And at last, I don’t think anyone comes out okay from this affair and actions need to be taken in general

[Hazell]

It's his right to do what he wants, it's not about the political aspect for him as he explained it's because he is the Turkish president, and that was an honor for him, considering his background and his family.

He said it better himself so read the full statement.

Yeah agreed. At best, he was poorly advised/naive and as he's a footballer and not a politician, I doubt there was anything else behind it. Still a poor decision IMO but reading his statement, doesn't deserve the abuse he's gotten.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

Yeah agreed. At best, he was poorly advised/naive and as he's a footballer and not a politician, I doubt there was anything else behind it. Still a poor decision IMO but reading his statement, doesn't deserve the abuse he's gotten.

Well said.

[Gerry Attrick]

Yeah agreed. At best, he was poorly advised/naive and as he's a footballer and not a politician, I doubt there was anything else behind it. Still a poor decision IMO but reading his statement, doesn't deserve the abuse he's gotten.

Do I think there was a political statement behind meeting Erdogan? No, but calling him naive is extraordinarily generous. I'd prefer to go with thick. Every man and his dog knows what a c*nt Erdogan is.

[Hazell]

Do I think there was a political statement behind meeting Erdogan? No, but calling him naive is extraordinarily generous. I'd prefer to go with thick.

Possibly, that's why I said at best, he was naive. Meeting with Erdogan was a stupid thing to do but either way, the racism he's encountered is pretty sad to read about.

[Gerry Attrick]

Possibly, that's why I said at best, he was naive. Meeting with Erdogan was a stupid thing to do but either way, the racism he's encountered is pretty sad to read about.

Absolutely, no excuse for it whatsoever but I am disappointed in Ozil all the same.

[24/7]

Errrrr. What the fuck?

If you lot want to sling abuse at each other over a fucking Arsenal thread, do it on an Arsenal forum.

Locked for a cleanup.

[24/7]

Open again. Play the ball, not the player.

[Caligula?]

If he wants to retire, he can retire. Especially if he feels that he's been the victim of unwarranted attacks. He can be a passenger at times for both Arsenal and Germany but if he's getting so much stick in the first place, why are they arsed so much if he's hung up his international boots? As for the whole racism/xenophobia issue, that goes far beyond football and the Arsenal thread probably isn't the best thread to discuss it in.

[bird_lfc]

Are those quotes from Uli Hoeness actually legit? If so, it’s real embarrassing stuff

[elsewhere]

Are those quotes from Uli Hoeness actually legit? If so, it’s real embarrassing stuff

What did he say?

[deFacto please, you bastards]

What did he say?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/07/23/uli-hoeness-attacks-mesut-ozil-claims-germany-will-not-miss/

[B0151?]

One of Ozil's biggest contentions was that there is a racist at the helm of German football who was all too happy to try and scapegoat Ozil and the picture fiasco in the aftermath of the tournament. Don't blame Ozil at all as regrettable as I think the picture was.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

 

"He last won a tackle before the 2014 World Cup. And now he and his s----- performance hide beyond this picture."Whenever (Bayern) played against Arsenal, we played over him because we knew that was their weak point.

[Gerry Attrick]

Oof, that's brutal.

[stoa]

Are those quotes from Uli Hoeness actually legit? If so, it’s real embarrassing stuff

I think going to prison has completely broken him. He just seems to has lost the plot...

[Barrowred]

Never understood the hype around Ozil, must be the most overrated player in the league. Whenever we play them I love it when he's starting as we are basically playing against 10 men.
He never turns up in games against the big teams, and the quote about his tackling(if true or not) is harsh but true

[classycarra]

I think going to prison has completely broken him. He just seems to has lost the plot...

Yeah that's embarrassing.

And bringing up beating Wenger's Arsenal frequently with their embarrassment of riches before underachieving in Europe... yeah those ten goals on aggregate were down to Ozil. And his famous tackling

[Gerry Attrick]

I like Ozil as a player, if less as a person these days but my god Hoeness has pulled absolutely no punches. Just read the piece posted earlier and fucking hell that's a dressing down that won't be forgotten quickly.

This bit is just beyond hilarious; "His 35 million follower boys - that don't exist in the real world - are convinced he has played sublimely when he completes a cross pass".

[classycarra]

Agree with that Gerry.

Funny move from a Bayern man though, singling out Ozil's performances as being shit. From what I saw and remember, I can think of three Bayern players who were much worse than Ozil (Hummels, Boateng and Muller)

[Rush 82]

Going to be weird without Wenger in the League

[moondog]

Going to be weird without Wenger in the League
[/quotze]




He'll be back to rescue Everton from 16th place in November probably, on six million a year 3 year deal.

[harleydanger]

Germany FA response equates to “not all German FA’s”