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Re: Emiliano Sala transfer
« Reply #40 on: November 4, 2019, 01:19:52 pm »
Justice for the 96!

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Re: Emiliano Sala transfer
« Reply #41 on: January 28, 2020, 05:17:23 pm »
https://twitter.com/GFFN/status/1222204309967863814

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Cardiff City have this evening filed a lawsuit in France against FC Nantes over the death of Emiliano Sala, according to L'Équipe.

The suit attempts to insinuate that Nantes may be guilty of manslaughter & the hiding of agent commissions.

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Re: Emiliano Sala transfer
« Reply #42 on: January 28, 2020, 05:30:54 pm »
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Re: Emiliano Sala transfer
« Reply #43 on: January 28, 2020, 05:32:42 pm »
Let the poor lad and his family have some peace for fuck sakes.

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Re: Emiliano Sala transfer
« Reply #44 on: January 28, 2020, 05:38:53 pm »
Horrendous by Cardiff again, their behaviour has been disgusting throughout this whole tragic saga. Wouldn't bat an eyelid if they club went bankrupt.

Thoughts are with Sala's family for his death and that of his father.
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Re: Emiliano Sala transfer
« Reply #45 on: January 28, 2020, 06:29:54 pm »
Cardiff board is managed by bunch of sociopaths it seems

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Re: Emiliano Sala transfer
« Reply #46 on: January 28, 2020, 06:31:41 pm »
Wtf?!
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Re: Emiliano Sala transfer
« Reply #47 on: January 28, 2020, 06:33:09 pm »
Let the poor lad and his family have some peace for fuck sakes.

If it turns out someone was in the wrong and/or responsible for the event, they should face trial. Though ideally it should be kept away from the media spotlight, and hopefully involve the family as little as possible.

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Re: Emiliano Sala transfer
« Reply #48 on: January 28, 2020, 06:43:17 pm »
More stalling by Cardiff it would appear.
Disgusting if so.
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Re: Emiliano Sala transfer
« Reply #49 on: January 28, 2020, 06:48:17 pm »
Nantes statement
Stunned by Cardiff trying to exploit the tragedy
Nantes always shown a quiet attitude since beginning of the events.
Nantes always acted in good faith.
Cardiff made repeated attempts to destabilise nantes with repeated falsehoods.
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Re: Emiliano Sala transfer
« Reply #50 on: January 28, 2020, 07:35:33 pm »
Wasn't it reported at the time that it was Colin Wanker's son that arranged the plane? How can Nantes be responsible?
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Re: Emiliano Sala transfer
« Reply #51 on: January 28, 2020, 08:22:16 pm »
Good luck Cardiff if you ever want anyone to sell you a player

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Re: Emiliano Sala transfer
« Reply #53 on: January 29, 2020, 09:44:48 am »
Biggest scumbag club going. Absolutely disgraceful. Should be folded after the way they have acted over this tragedy

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Re: Emiliano Sala transfer
« Reply #54 on: January 29, 2020, 09:46:02 am »
disgraceful carry on

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Re: Emiliano Sala transfer
« Reply #55 on: January 29, 2020, 11:25:55 am »
Vile club, hope they get relegated and go into administration

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Re: Emiliano Sala transfer
« Reply #56 on: January 29, 2020, 11:58:21 am »
Fucking ghouls the lot of them.

There is not one single justifiable reason for this. Not insurance or culpability.

They still named him in their squad over a week ago.

I know £15m is a lot of money and they are a business etc. But just the sheer level of negative PR you work out a way to pay it. Even if you say £1m a year over 15 years with a portion of the money going to family.

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Re: Emiliano Sala transfer
« Reply #57 on: January 29, 2020, 12:01:19 pm »
Wasn't it reported at the time that it was Colin Wanker's son that arranged the plane? How can Nantes be responsible?


No, it was Willie McKay who arranged the flight. McKay's son Mark acted as an agent for Nantes in at least the early stages of the transfer.

I think Cardiff have acted like twats in this, but it's widely reported that they expressed misgivings about the flight arrangements for Sala's trip to Nantes to 'say farewell to his old teammates' and back to Cardiff, and Cardiff offered to arrange travel for Sala on a commercial flight. In terms of the actual flight in which Sala died, Cardiff can't be blamed.

The real story behind all this IMO is the shady world of private flights. It really is a mess, with loopholes everywhere exploited by shysters.

On the face of it, there is a professional body that governs the whole charter flight industry in the UK (Baca). Companies signing up to this (ranging from operators of a couple of small planes to multinational giants like Easyjet) pay a levy and have to adhere to rigid standards on safety, engineering checks, pilots, etc, and receive an Air Operator's Certificate (AOC). This part of the industry isn't a problem.

Outside of this, plane owners & pilots aren't allowed to fly people for commercial gain. But there is a huge grey/black market in plane owners/pilots ferrying people around for financial reward. Sometimes it's as simple as just illegally accepting payment for a flight, other times the pilot/owner will make a pretence of legitimacy by creating an arrangement of 'sharing the cost' (ie, the pilot wants to fly somewhere and anybody happening to be going the same place can chip in to help cover the cost of fuel/airport fees).

The situation is further muddied by the system of planes each being registered in a specific country, but operating in others. Different countries have differing quality of safety standards (eg, the standards in the US are less stringent than those of the UK/Europe). Many planes operating in the UK - including the one Sala died aboard - are registered in the US, but their true ownership is deliberately obscured by use of 'Trustee' firms/arrangements. The company providing this service to the owners of the fateful Sala plane state on their website: "We specialise in providing individual trust agreements to non-US citizens to enable them to legally register their aircraft on the American 'N' register.". The trustee company has reportedly provided the owner information to the Air Accidents Investigation Branch, but the database of the US Federal Aviation Administration has been amended to remove the document detailing the owners & associated companies.

There had been seven flights back and forth between Cardiff & Nantes in the arranging and finalising of the transfer deal, involving different parties (McKay, Colin, other CCCFC staff, Sala, his agent). The first seems totally legit through a charter company; one was on the private plane of Lord Porchester who insists he did this as a favour to McKay and wasn't paid a penny; the rest were through a Guernsey-based charter company. This Guernsey-based company held an AOC - but only for Guernsey-registered aircraft. The two used in this series of flights were US-registered and listed on official flight plans as 'non-commercial'. The originally planned pilot - David Henderson - couldn't make it so the charter company used David Ibbotson, an amateur pilot, gas engineer and part-time DJ who didn't have a licence to fly at night was was colour-blind. As the flights were almost certainly illegally commercial, it calls into question the validity of the charter company's insurance.

I think the Cardiff argument is that McKay arranged the ill-fated flight, and McKay was acting as an agent of Nantes. Ergo, Nantes by extension are responsible for the flight. And, as the flight seems to have been run illegally as a commercial transaction, Nantes presumably have a level of responsibility for this (failure of due diligence?)

I wouldn't agree, and think Nantes are innocent of all but trusting McKay to use a legitimate charter plane.

Cardiff also innocent (although that hasn't stopped them acting like dicks)

The guilty parties appear to be the charter company for illegally using planes not licenced for commercial use and unsuitably qualified/experienced pilots, and registered overseas to presumably avoid more stringent safety standards.

Baca have been flagging up this sort of illegal activity to the CAA and the European Union Aviation Safety Agency (Easa) for years, and the Baca chief exec has said that it was only if a famous person was killed that the authorities might do something about this. In the world of football, there are hundreds of these flights used every year, and this was a tragedy waiting to happen.






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Re: Emiliano Sala transfer
« Reply #58 on: January 29, 2020, 12:07:25 pm »
Wow. And you would think Colin Wanker was the worst they could do.

PR department at Cardiff must hang their heads in shame.

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Re: Emiliano Sala transfer
« Reply #59 on: January 29, 2020, 12:34:53 pm »
So they've turned this from an issue over an outstanding transfer fee into one of culpability over the player's death? Are they trying to argue they shouldn't pay Nantes because it's their fault Sala is dead??

That's litigation that Donald Trump would be proud of. The total lack of empathy and self awareness of the optics is eye watering.

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Re: Emiliano Sala transfer
« Reply #60 on: January 29, 2020, 12:43:47 pm »
So they've turned this from an issue over an outstanding transfer fee into one of culpability over the player's death? Are they trying to argue they shouldn't pay Nantes because it's their fault Sala is dead??

That's litigation that Donald Trump would be proud of. The total lack of empathy and self awareness of the optics is eye watering.

Please tell me I'm misinterpreting this.



My suspicion is that Cardiff expected some sort of recourse through one or other strand of insurance, but that is looking less likely now.

Cardiff could be severely out of pocket, despite wanting the player to travel on a commercial flight and having misgivings about the McKay flight arrangements.


From the BBC, here's the transcript of text messages between McKay jnr and Sala:

Friday, 18 January

7:43pm - Jack McKay:"My dad has told me that you are going home tomorrow. He could organise a plane to take you direct to Nantes and to come back on Monday, at a time that suits you, so you can get to training on Tuesday."

7:51pm-Emiliano Sala: "Ah that is great. I was just in the middle of checking if there are some flights to get to Nantes tomorrow."

7:56pm-McKay: "He said he could organise a plane that would go direct to Nantes."

7:56pm- Sala: "How much will it cost?"

7:56pm-McKay: "Nothing. He said if you help me to score goals it's nothing."

7:59pm-Sala: "Hahaha with pleasure."

8:00pm- Sala: "We are going to score lots of goals."

8:01pm - Sala: "I want to leave tomorrow for Nantes at around 11am and come back on Monday night around 9pm to Cardiff if that is possible."

8:05pm -McKay:"Good. I'll send a message when that's sorted."

Sunday, 20 January

5:00pm - McKay: "Hi there is it possible you could come back at seven in the evening on Monday night? Just because the pilot has to get home in the north after he gets to Cardiff."

5:01pm - Sala:"Hi, Half past seven would be possible."

5:03pm - McKay:"Yes that's good."

5:05pm -Sala: "[PICTURE OF LUGGAGE] Can you ask if I can bring this on the plane?"

5:06pm -McKay: "Good yeah."

5:07pm - Sala:"But is that going to be OK for the plane?"

McKay: "Yes there is space on the plane for your luggage."

5:12pm - Sala: "OK."

Monday, 21 January

4:16pm - McKay: "I'm going to call in a moment."

4.23pm -McKay: "He said that it is the same company."

4.27pm - Sala:"OK thanks."
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Re: Emiliano Sala transfer
« Reply #61 on: January 29, 2020, 12:53:06 pm »
Sounds like their beef is with McKay rather than Nantes. Litigation like this could end up costing them almost as much as just paying the transfer fee. It's doubling down on tastelessness
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« Reply #62 on: January 29, 2020, 01:00:44 pm »
Sounds like their beef is with McKay rather than Nantes. Litigation like this could end up costing them almost as much as just paying the transfer fee. It's doubling down on tastelessness


We don't know whether McKay knew whether the plane and charter company were anything but kosher. He says he's used them many time before, and flown on their planes himself (unless you're an idiot, you wouldn't fly in a plane over which you had doubts about its safety).

IMO the real villains in all this are the scumbags who owned and/or ran the plane & charter company in Guernsey. I'd also bet my house that the owners of the company aren't Guernsey natives, and instead use a shell company located in the Channel Islands because of their lax regulatory arrangements/enforcement and the ultra-secretive nature of finances, companies and taxation.

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Re: Emiliano Sala transfer
« Reply #63 on: January 29, 2020, 01:05:39 pm »
They owe Nantes the money. It's that simple. He was a Cardiff player. McKay needs to be looked at if he arranged the flights and the operator needs looking at as well

They have acted in such a disgraceful manner over this whole thing

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Re: Emiliano Sala transfer
« Reply #64 on: January 29, 2020, 01:15:05 pm »
God, reading those texts just made me feel so sad, bless him. He was just a kid really. :'(
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Re: Emiliano Sala transfer
« Reply #65 on: January 29, 2020, 06:39:45 pm »

We don't know whether McKay knew whether the plane and charter company were anything but kosher. He says he's used them many time before, and flown on their planes himself (unless you're an idiot, you wouldn't fly in a plane over which you had doubts about its safety).

IMO the real villains in all this are the scumbags who owned and/or ran the plane & charter company in Guernsey. I'd also bet my house that the owners of the company aren't Guernsey natives, and instead use a shell company located in the Channel Islands because of their lax regulatory arrangements/enforcement and the ultra-secretive nature of finances, companies and taxation.

Makes sense,  But again, it just shows that Cardiff are chucking their toys at the wrong target.  They are not doing themselves any favours at all here.
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Re: Emiliano Sala transfer
« Reply #66 on: January 31, 2020, 06:46:10 pm »
Cardiff board is managed by bunch of sociopaths it seems

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Re: Emiliano Sala transfer
« Reply #67 on: March 13, 2020, 05:07:28 pm »
The pilot of the plane carrying the professional footballer Emiliano Sala was not licensed to fly the aircraft that plunged into the sea, killing both of them, an official report has concluded.

David Ibbotson had not completed night-flying training or recently practised instrument flying, a vital skill when piloting a plane on a dark night in poor weather, and the aircraft was travelling far faster than it should have been just before the accident.

Investigators concluded that Ibbotson was being paid to fly Sala even though under the terms of his private pilot’s licence this was not allowed, and said the regulations under which the light aircraft operated also meant it should have not been flown commercially.

The Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB) concluded that the loss of control that led to the crash was made more likely by the fact that neither the pilot nor the plane had the required licences or permissions for the flight.
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Re: Emiliano Sala transfer
« Reply #68 on: August 22, 2020, 09:45:37 pm »

Absolute vile club from the top down.

Emiliano Sala's family 'have received nothing' from trust fund, lawyers claim

Emiliano Sala's family are said to be in a "very difficult economic situation" after revealing a trust fund launched by Cardiff in January in the player's memory had not been set up.

Argentinian striker Sala died in January 2019 when the plane carrying him from Nantes in France to his new club Cardiff crashed in the English Channel.

Cardiff and Nantes have since been in dispute over the £15m transfer fee, with the Welsh club claiming the formalities of the deal were not completed despite the 28-year-old having been unveiled as their player a few days earlier.

The trust fund Cardiff launched seven months ago has also become a subject of controversy, with the Sala family saying the offer of a "donation" from the club was withdrawn "with no explanation".

The PA news agency have asked Cardiff to comment.

In Argentina, the Sala family - Emiliano's mother Mercedes Taffarel, his brother Dario and his sister Romina - are said to be "very frustrated" by events after travelling to the UK in November 2019 to receive positive news.

A representative of Javier Canosa, the family's Argentine lawyer, told the PA news agency: "Cardiff contacted the family to make a donation to them, but they came back to Argentina with nothing.

"They did not have an explanation why they decided to take back the offer.

"We read in January that the family was happy and everything was sorted, but that's actually not true.

"We want to make it clear the trust has not paid out, the family has not received anything and are in a very difficult economic situation.

"Emiliano is not there and they really need this money. It has been really difficult to get an agreement with the club for different reasons and it is very frustrating.

"We have reached a very difficult point in our communications with Cardiff's representative, but I think it can be solved."

Cardiff held a supporters' forum, which was attended by members of the media, in January to launch the Emiliano Sala Memorial Trust with what the Sky Bet Championship club described as a "substantial amount of money".

Club chairman Mehmet Dalman also urged Nantes and "any agent who has taken the high ground" to match Cardiff's donation.

"I'd say put your money where you mouth is," Dalman said. "We would invite the football world, even the whole world, to make a contribution to this."

It has been reported Cardiff blame disagreements with the Sala family's lawyers for the impasse over the trust and plan to finish creating it independently of them.


https://www.skysports.com/football/news/12040/12054175/emiliano-salas-family-have-received-nothing-from-trust-fund-lawyers-claim

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Re: Emiliano Sala transfer
« Reply #69 on: August 22, 2020, 10:07:13 pm »
I don't care for this ongoing blame game, it's unseemly. However, the utterly reprehensible way Cardiff as a club have conducted themselves over this tragedy continues to sicken the stomach.
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« Reply #70 on: August 23, 2020, 01:38:15 am »
A shower of outright bastards is what they are, I hope Jurgen tells them to fuck right off if they ask for any players on loan etc

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« Reply #71 on: August 23, 2020, 02:32:06 am »
Yep, they’ll end up a lot worse off than £15m after this, they aren’t looking good at all

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« Reply #72 on: August 26, 2022, 07:22:03 pm »
Cardiff ordered to pay £5.1m instalment to Nantes for Emiliano Sala transfer

    Court of arbitration for sport rules deal completed before he died
    Club ‘disappointed’ and will appeal against the decision


Cardiff have been ordered to pay the first instalment of Emiliano Sala’s transfer fee after the court of arbitration for sport ruled the deal was complete before his death. The Argentinian joined the Championship club from Nantes in January 2019, and the French side’s claim for the first €6m (£5.1m) under the terms of the deal has been upheld by the Cas.

Sala died when the light aircraft he was travelling in from France crashed into the Channel on 21 January 2019, two days after Cardiff had announced his signing.

A Cas statement said it had dismissed Cardiff’s appeal “in relation to the decision issued by the bureau of the Fifa players’ status committee on September 25 2019 (the challenged decision). The challenged decision, in which Cardiff City FC was ordered to pay €6m to FC Nantes in connection with the transfer of the player Emiliano Sala between the clubs, is confirmed.”

Cardiff said they were “disappointed” by the decision. “Once the club’s lawyers have digested the reasons for the decision we expect to appeal and will not be making any payments to FC Nantes in the meanwhile,” the club said.

“If those appeals are unsuccessful and the club is liable to pay the transfer fee the club will take legal action against those responsible for the crash for damages to recover its losses. All our thoughts must continue to be with Emiliano’s family, who are now supported financially by the Trust the club put in place for them.”

An inquest into Sala’s death found he had died of head and chest injuries but would have been unconscious at the time of the crash because of carbon monoxide poisoning.

The jury noted that the pilot, David Ibbotson, who also died, did not have the correct licence for either a commercial flight or one at night, and found that the aircraft was not operated or maintained in accordance with commercial use.

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Re: Emiliano Sala transfer
« Reply #73 on: August 26, 2022, 08:36:38 pm »
Cardiff have handled this awfully. Feel sorry for the family of Sala still having this drag on

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« Reply #74 on: August 26, 2022, 08:43:36 pm »
Cardiff have handled this awfully. Feel sorry for the family of Sala still having this drag on

In an ideal world, no club would be doing business with them. The fact this has dragged on for 3.5 years and looks unlikely to be resolved any time soon is egregious.

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Re: Emiliano Sala transfer
« Reply #75 on: August 26, 2022, 08:44:11 pm »
Fuck me. Vile c*nts running Cardiff.

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Re: Emiliano Sala transfer
« Reply #77 on: October 19, 2022, 02:28:55 pm »
the sound bytes of him being scared is just horrible
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Re: Emiliano Sala transfer
« Reply #78 on: October 19, 2022, 02:43:50 pm »
You've got to feel for Sala'a family. Doesn't paint other parties involved in a good light, to say the least.

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Re: Emiliano Sala transfer
« Reply #79 on: October 19, 2022, 02:55:35 pm »
You've got to feel for Sala'a family. Doesn't paint other parties involved in a good light, to say the least.
certainly not cardiff
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