Topic: Shogun (TV Mini Series 2024)

[Hazell]

Toranaga is a bad leader. Like Ten Hag.

(I'm kidding - but that was rough ...)

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Can you imagine Schteve McLaren committing Scheppuku?

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[rob1966]

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Can you imagine Schteve McLaren committing Scheppuku?

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Wouldn't have the guts for it

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[afc tukrish]

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Can you imagine Schteve McLaren committing Scheppuku?

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Wouldn't have the guts for it

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Not known for cutting edge tacticsch is he?

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[Draex]

Episode 8, wow.

[rob1966]

Watching this has reminded me to buy myself a Katana

[afc tukrish]

Watching this has reminded me to buy myself a Katana

In the book...

There are ninja...

[ToneLa]

you know an episode was amazing when you can only talk in spoilers

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amazed the old guy was in on it ("did his duty".) What balls he has!

I totally bought it as well, he did look sad, and presented himself as tough. Only when he broke down a little later to Mariko did he reveal the dude was in on the plan and it was a masterful level of planning. Damn, seppuku to sell a plan. Old dude knew the stakes, "knew his duty" as Toranaga puts it.

I don't think Blackthorne is in on it, cause of the "predictable" comment. Toranaga is a master at playing anyone and everything. I also laughed at the Catholic church spot being right next to the brothel.
It seems to be diverging from the book. I hope so actually.

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[rob1966]

In the book...

There are ninja...

I'm too fat these days to be a Ninja

I've got Shinai and Bokken from doing Kendo, always wanted to get a Katana and a Tanto.

you know an episode was amazing when you can only talk in spoilers

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amazed the old guy was in on it ("did his duty".) What balls he has!

I totally bought it as well, he did look sad, and presented himself as tough. Only when he broke down a little later to Mariko did he reveal the dude was in on the plan and it was a masterful level of planning. Damn, seppuku to sell a plan. Old dude knew the stakes, "knew his duty" as Toranaga puts it.

I don't think Blackthorne is in on it, cause of the "predictable" comment. Toranaga is a master at playing anyone and everything. I also laughed at the Catholic church spot being right next to the brothel.
It seems to be diverging from the book. I hope so actually.

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I didn't think Toranaga was going to go meekly, but then when he was being so stubborn with Hiromatsu and allowed him to commit Seppukku, I started to think he was going to surrender in Osaka after all. To actually take his own life as a part of the plan was both nuts and typical.

Sticking the church next to the Brothel was a proper "fuck you" statement. Mind you, the most frequent visitors will likely be the Catholic Priests

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[Gili Gulu]

Only got on this today, watched all 8 episodes this week, loved it.  Wish I'd realised there are two more though, I should have waited for all 10

I'll have to read the book now.

Yes, I did the same through to episode 7.

[meady1981]

In this day and age it seems like such a gamble to make slow-paced, dialogue-heavy drama. It’s great that they’ve had the courage to do so with this. I’ve seen so much streaming produced dogshit series of books I’ve loved in the last few years.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

In this day and age it seems like such a gamble to make slow-paced, dialogue-heavy drama. It’s great that they’ve had the courage to do so with this. I’ve seen so much streaming produced dogshit series of books I’ve loved in the last few years.

FX isn't it, same lot that brought us Legion.

[emergency exit]

Bloody hell.

[Gili Gulu]

Bloody hell.

Thank you for not spoiling.

The latest episode is out now from the "usual sources"

[WhereAngelsPlay]

The bastards.

Award winning episode.

[FlashingBlade]

Fuck me what an episode....can't recall being so emotionally gripped by TV....

[FlashingBlade]

Award winning episode.

Agreed.

[ToneLa]

I have composed the following thoughts having seen the latest episode:

Ahem



Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesus

[RedDeadRejection]

My word. That is TV. Bravo

[Gili Gulu]

Best thing I've watched since Chernobyl.

The tension.

[FlashingBlade]

Best thing I've watched since Chernobyl.

The tension.

Best single episode in a series since 'Kiksuya' in Westworld

[WhereAngelsPlay]

Best single episode in a series since 'Kiksuya' in Westworld

That's a high bar as well isn't it, Kiksuya is one of the best episodes ever, possibly of anything put to film, including big screen.

[Red Ol]

Amazing tv! What a fantastic series this has turned out to be and that last episode … wow

[Gili Gulu]

I think this could make Anna Sawai into a big star

I can see a similar trajectory to that of Pablo Pascal after Game of Thrones,
just needs the right project.

[RedDeadRejection]

I think this could make Anna Sawai into a big star

I can see a similar trajectory to that of Pablo Pascal after Game of Thrones,
just needs the right project.

Be actual criminality if it doesn't.

[afc tukrish]

The scene where

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Mariko verbally bitch slaps Ishido

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and the

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death scene with her standing Christ-like at the door[/spolier] were both taken directly from the book and very well done. The show has done a really fine job both at changing certain bits from Clavell's work and also bringing key scenes whole to the digital screen.

Gripping, powerful telly...

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[Sangria]

"Flowers are only flowers because they fall" - Gracia Hosokawa, the RL individual on whom Akechi Mariko is based. Part of her death poem, the poem a samurai writes before committing seppuku.

[FlashingBlade]

"Flowers are only flowers becouse they fall" - Gracia Hosokawa, the RL individual on whom Akechi Mariko is based. Part of her death poem, the poem a samurai writes before committing seppuku.

interesting.

Shoguns inspired me to revisit David Mitchells ' The Thousand Autumns of Jacob De Zoet'

[Rush 82]

Damn....

I watched this episode with headphones on...

Damn....

[Sangria]

FYI, Gracia Hosokawa was born Akechi Tama, the daughter of Akechi Mitsuhide, a retainer of Oda Nobunaga. Mitsuhide is best known for betraying Nobunaga and forcing the suicide of Nobunaga and his heir. Mitsuhide had a short lived spell as the most powerful man in Japan, before being beaten by Nobunaga's subordinate Toyotomi Hideyoshi. Hideyoshi was the undisputed ruler in Japan from that point until his death.

[Gili Gulu]

FYI, Gracia Hosokawa was born Akechi Tama, the daughter of Akechi Mitsuhide, a retainer of Oda Nobunaga. Mitsuhide is best known for betraying Nobunaga and forcing the suicide of Nobunaga and his heir. Mitsuhide had a short lived spell as the most powerful man in Japan, before being beaten by Nobunaga's subordinate Toyotomi Hideyoshi. Hideyoshi was the undisputed ruler in Japan from that point until his death.

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I made the mistake of looking at her wikipedia page, and saw the year she died. Sort of knew what might have been coming in the latest episode

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[Trada]

The show just had its Red Wedding moment.


I wish next someone would remake The water margin enjoyed that back in the day.

[Dench57]

I wish next someone would remake The water margin enjoyed that back in the day.

Get HBO to do Romance of the Three Kingdoms

[newterp]

Well.....I wasn't expecting that. Especially since the title of the episode was supposed to refer to something else.

[ChrisOH]

Yeah that was boss.

[stewil007]

Fuck me, that was tense

[kaesarsosei]

FX have unearthed a monster of a good show and Episode 9 was the best thing I've seen on TV this year, by a mile. Having not read the books or knowing anything I just wonder is there enough material to keep the show going after the finale next week. I really hope so. Still hard to believe they had the balls to make this show, it can't have been cheap and I wonder would the younger generation have the attention span to enjoy this? Absolutely nothing is handed to the viewer on a plate.

[Alan_X]

I hope they don't try and make Shogun 2. It would be like making Romeo & Juliet 2. This is based on historical events but the power of this series is the personal relationships between the three central characters and the extended relationships and the dynamics that stem from them.

I would love to see this team maybe make new versions of other stories set in Japan - remakes and expansion of some of Kurosawa's great movies for example.

Ran, Kagemusha, Throne of Blood would all be possibilities, but none of them has that "stranger in a stranger land" component that comes from Blackthorn's experience at the heart of the action.

[RedDeadRejection]

Think it could certainly work as an anthology. Plenty to explore with other things like Romance of the Three Kingdoms too.

[FlashingBlade]

I hope they don't try and make Shogun 2. It would be like making Romeo & Juliet 2. This is based on historical events but the power of this series is the personal relationships between the three central characters and the extended relationships and the dynamics that stem from them.

I would love to see this team maybe make new versions of other stories set in Japan - remakes and expansion of some of Kurosawa's great movies for example.

Ran, Kagemusha, Throne of Blood would all be possibilities, but none of them has that "stranger in a stranger land" component that comes from Blackthorn's experience at the heart of the action.

Woah there...Kurasowa's work is the genius of his Cinematography....so much of those stories lost in a TV production.


The Watermargin...now were talking remake

[jason42]

FX have unearthed a monster of a good show and Episode 9 was the best thing I've seen on TV this year, by a mile. Having not read the books or knowing anything I just wonder is there enough material to keep the show going after the finale next week. I really hope so. Still hard to believe they had the balls to make this show, it can't have been cheap and I wonder would the younger generation have the attention span to enjoy this? Absolutely nothing is handed to the viewer on a plate.

NO there will not be a Season 2.

I hope they don't try and make Shogun 2. It would be like making Romeo & Juliet 2. This is based on historical events but the power of this series is the personal relationships between the three central characters and the extended relationships and the dynamics that stem from them.

I would love to see this team maybe make new versions of other stories set in Japan - remakes and expansion of some of Kurosawa's great movies for example.

Ran, Kagemusha, Throne of Blood would all be possibilities, but none of them has that "stranger in a stranger land" component that comes from Blackthorn's experience at the heart of the action.

They have already confirmed that the end will be the end as per the book.